Goat?


Round 2: Summoner and Witch

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Um, I know I've seen it mentioned in threads, but I've not seen it addressed.

I just rolled a Witch and before rolling I decided it would be Very Nifty Indeed if she had a Goat as a familiar.

But there are no stats, anywhere that I'm able to find, for a Goat familiar.

Goats are smaller than Ponies, larger than Dogs, and I can't really shoe horn them into an existing PF published statblock.

Help me Paizoboard Kenobi, you're my only hope.

Edit: Can't find pig either?

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Fox, Pig and Goat aren't available yet (and all suggest that a Witch will have some Size Small Familiar options, instead of the usual size Tiny Wizard familiars).

Reduce an Auroch (Herd Animal) two size categories and ditch the stampede and trample and you might have an acceptable goat. (Tweaking as necessary, as a straight conversion using the chart or the Young Creature / Giant Creature templates is rarely, if ever, appropriate, in my experience, as you end up with a large Eagle with +4 Str, -6 Dex and +6 Con over an identically sized Giant eagle and Medium quadrupedal Dinosaurs with Strength 2 and other strangeness.)

A straight conversion using the size chart from (large) auroch to (small) goat would give Str 11, Dex 14, Con 11, Int 2, Wis 11, Cha 4, +2 natural armor and a 1d4 gore attack. I'd ditch the natural armor entirely (or leave it at +1, max), and reduce the strength another 2 pts (or even 4, if I were feeling very mean) to 9. This isn't going to be a big mountain ram, just a standard annoying goat, and 1d4-1 should be fine damage for something that a Witch would be a colossal fool to send into combat anyway. I'd drop base HD to 1 and move to 30 ft. It would only get one feat, which I'd keep as Skill Focus (perception). Just because it's a goat, I'd raise it's wisdom and charisma by 2, giving it stats closer to those of a raven, because goats are pretty darn sociable and personable, as well as stubborn and willful. Also, I think it's funny to bump up the goats mental stats by four, over the buffalo. :)

So, total, 1 HD, no natural armor, speed 30 ft., 1 gore for 1d4-1 damage, Str 9, Dex 14, Con 11, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 6. Skill Focus (perception).

Do something similar with the Boar, and you can whip up a pig.

Or, for the duration of the playtest, stick to animals that you do have official stats for, like the cat, bat, rat, viper, etc.


With my witch, I took a hunting dog as a familiar. Why? Because he's a rural boy (who's family was the local brewers - I took the Cauldron hex, makes sense) who was kicked out of his town for being a witch, and a hunting dog is useful to him and a loyal companion.
I used the stats for Dog in the Bestiary, pg. 87, the bonus the witch gets from the familiar is +3 to hearing based Perception checks, and the bonus spells are as follows (with thinking behind them):
2nd lvl - Detect Animals or Plants (good nose & eyes on the dog)
4th lvl - Status (loyal companion keeps track of everyone)
6th lvl - Greater Magic Fang (to better to bite you with, my dear)
8th lvl - Dimensional Anchor (you're not getting away from me)
10th lvl - Commune with Nature (I got a good nose and hearing and knows what's going on around me)
12th lvl - Heroes' Feast (I am a hunting dog, I can find food)
14th through 18th lvl - No clue, everything we thought of was on the witch's standard spell list - but he's only 2nd lvl, so there is time to go for these.

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Actually, we dug into our splat books and found the "Sheep" in Tome of Horrors. (Why there's a SHEEP in the TOME OF HORRORS I will never know... but there we are...) and I just flat copied it. It renders well and matches the other familiar options outlined in the Bestiary in my opinion.

I noticed in reading the playtest document "Use the basic statistics for a creature of the familiar's kind as described in the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary and Pathfinder RPG Bestiary II"

So, I'm guessing that the Bestiary 2 is the source for all things witchy familiary. Which is all well and good, but ... um, it's not out yet? *sheepish look*

Thanks Set, I somehow figured you'd be right there with an answer. *bows to the crunch guru*


Mikhaila Burnett wrote:

Actually, we dug into our splat books and found the "Sheep" in Tome of Horrors. (Why there's a SHEEP in the TOME OF HORRORS I will never know... but there we are...) and I just flat copied it. It renders well and matches the other familiar options outlined in the Bestiary in my opinion.

I noticed in reading the playtest document "Use the basic statistics for a creature of the familiar's kind as described in the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary and Pathfinder RPG Bestiary II"

So, I'm guessing that the Bestiary 2 is the source for all things witchy familiary. Which is all well and good, but ... um, it's not out yet? *sheepish look*

Thanks Set, I somehow figured you'd be right there with an answer. *bows to the crunch guru*

A sheep in the Tome of Horrors? Really?

It must have been a BAAAAAAAAAAD sheep.

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