Come correct our errors and help us overdose the page!
I apologize in advance to all those whose day will be ruined by hours of link-clicking. :)
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Come correct our errors and help us overdose the page!
I apologize in advance to all those whose day will be ruined by hours of link-clicking. :)
Mwahahahaha AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!
PURE FRACKING AWESOME
Cool. Never really sure I grok that site...though much of what I've read on other topics there is spot-on.
Except maybe: I'm pretty sure Paizo was a separate company before the introduction of 4e.
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Cool. Never really sure I grok that site...though much of what I've read on other topics there is spot-on.
Except maybe: I'm pretty sure Paizo was a separate company before the introduction of 4e.
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Paizo never was a part of wizards, was it? It was just a bunch of people formerly in the employ of wizards who did their own thing.
By the way, is it true that the GITP boards bash Pathfinder?
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It's darkly hinted by the developers that the story of the disaster may be a fabrication, and gnomes are really humanoid interface devices through which vastly more powerful beings can study the material world.
WHAT!??!?! How did I miss this? Was it my casual hatred and disdain of gnomes? Anyone got a source for this awesomeness?
WHAT!??!?! How did I miss this? Was it my casual hatred and disdain of gnomes? Anyone got a source for this awesomeness?
It's darkly hinted by the developers that the story of the disaster may be a fabrication, and gnomes are really humanoid interface devices through which vastly more powerful beings can study the material world.
I know it was in the early design phase somewhere, possibly posted by Jacobs, but now I can't find any references... >.<#
Wow, some of that historical info is really incorrect. The way it's written makes it sound like Paizo split off from WotC because of reaction to 4th edition, which is definitely not the case.
Yes, the way I remember it Paizo was split off to handle publishing Dragon and Dungeon. Is that the right version?
By the way, is it true that the GITP boards bash Pathfinder?Most other boards bash PF Kae.
And yet it seems to be a great success. Makes you think..
Plus, it is known that tons of other boards are crap.
I can't recall any enthusism for it outside of these board, although I don't frequent many. Maybe ENWorld?
Almost as much as the wizards boards.
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By the way, is it true that the GITP boards bash Pathfinder?Most other boards bash PF Kae. I can't recall any enthusism for it outside of these board, although I don't frequent many. Maybe ENWorld?
I hadn't realized GITP had an active RPG forum, and upon seeing that note I went over there and checked. Nothing on the first three pages had anything substantive to say about Pathfinder at all.
RPG.net, which lurves 4e and has a few openly hostile posters who love to talk about how much they hate Pathfinder simply isn't talking about it much anymore. There's one "what's the deal with PF?" thread on there that actually includes a lot of positive comments on the game, which was a pleasant surprise.
EN World has its own Pathfinder RPG forum, which contains mostly positive posts.
Plus, it is known that tons of other boards are crap.I thought the entire Internet was.
Like the kids say: oh snap.
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By the way, is it true that the GITP boards bash Pathfinder?Most other boards bash PF Kae. I can't recall any enthusism for it outside of these board, although I don't frequent many. Maybe ENWorld?I hadn't realized GITP had an active RPG forum, and upon seeing that note I went over there and checked. Nothing on the first three pages had anything substantive to say about Pathfinder at all.
RPG.net, which lurves 4e and has a few openly hostile posters who love to talk about how much they hate Pathfinder simply isn't talking about it much anymore. There's one "what's the deal with PF?" thread on there that actually includes a lot of positive comments on the game, which was a pleasant surprise.
EN World has its own Pathfinder RPG forum, which contains mostly positive posts.
Basically it came down to them deciding Pathfinder doesn't do enough to fix 3.5. That Pathfinder shouldn't be making new base classes because GITP has already seen millions of homebrews for them. And a few other things...
Also a few of the play testers of Pathfinder went over there because apparently they don't feel their opinion counts for anything, and that good ideas get drowned out by Paizonian fanboism.
I like Pathfinder and 4e. The page says I picked up Pathfinder due to my hatred of 4e. A lot of that page is a really one-sided (and angry) view of events that needs to be cleaned up.
I like Pathfinder and 4e. The page says I picked up Pathfinder due to my hatred of 4e. A lot of that page is a really one-sided (and angry) view of events that needs to be cleaned up.
Just for the record, I didn't create the page or write those bits. I'll see about redoing that though. ^.^
By the way, is it true that the GITP boards bash Pathfinder?Most other boards bash PF Kae. I can't recall any enthusism for it outside of these board, although I don't frequent many. Maybe ENWorld?I hadn't realized GITP had an active RPG forum, and upon seeing that note I went over there and checked. Nothing on the first three pages had anything substantive to say about Pathfinder at all.
RPG.net, which lurves 4e and has a few openly hostile posters who love to talk about how much they hate Pathfinder simply isn't talking about it much anymore. There's one "what's the deal with PF?" thread on there that actually includes a lot of positive comments on the game, which was a pleasant surprise.
EN World has its own Pathfinder RPG forum, which contains mostly positive posts.
Basically it came down to them deciding Pathfinder doesn't do enough to fix 3.5. That Pathfinder shouldn't be making new base classes because GITP has already seen millions of homebrews for them. And a few other things...
Also a few of the play testers of Pathfinder went over there because apparently they don't feel their opinion counts for anything, and that good ideas get drowned out by Paizonian fanboism.
I used to be a loyal GITPer before I came over here, and have since pretty left GITP because of the attitude toward Pathfinder on that board. In my personal experience, I had trouble with posting or participating in a Pathfinder thread that didn't get spammed by a small but persistent group of posters who would just repeatedly post about how Pathfinder sucked or how Paizo doesn't know how to design games (funny, they were never saying that when the very same staff was publishing Dungeon and Dragon). Because of this small but very persistent group of people, trying to have a productive conversation about the actual, specific merits AND flaws of the system became very difficult, because people inevitably responded to the more incendiary posts about "Pathfinder sux!" than the more constructive conversations. Yes, there's nearly no Pathfinder posts there now; my theory on that is because of what I just said--there's no point in trying to have a conversation that's just going to end up being flame/trollbait, intentional or no (which is why I left; I've decided to run my own campaign in Pathfinder, so I know I'm not going to get any help or useful advice from the RPG boards there). All this is my personal perception and experience, so of course take that with a large grain of salt.
You want an example of a GITP Pathfinder post, search the forums for their discussion of Vancian Psionics in Pathfinder (based on a comment James Jacob said that had little to do with any official statements). That should be a relatively fair representation of the attitudes toward Pathfinder at that board.
A lot of GITPers are TV Tropers, so it will be likely that their opinions will get entered into the Pathfinder entry on that site.
I used to be a loyal GITPer before I came over here, and have since pretty left GITP because of the attitude toward Pathfinder on that board. In my personal experience, I had trouble with posting or participating in a Pathfinder thread that didn't get spammed by a small but persistent group of posters who would just repeatedly post about how Pathfinder sucked or how Paizo doesn't know how to design games (funny, they were never saying that when the very same staff was publishing Dungeon and Dragon). Because of this small but very persistent group of people, trying to have a productive conversation about the actual, specific merits AND flaws of the system became very difficult, , because people inevitably responded to the more incendiary posts about "Pathfinder sux!" than the more constructive conversations. Yes, there's nearly no Pathfinder posts there now; my theory on that is because of what I just said--there's no point in trying to have a conversation that's just going to end up being flame/trollbait, intentional or no (which is why I left; I've decided to run my own campaign in Pathfinder, so I know I'm not going to get any help or useful advice from the RPG boards there). All this is my personal perception and experience, so of course take that with a large grain of salt.
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Is it just me or does anyone else not get the point of TV Tropes? I've been sent to that site repeatedly for different things and have never really been that impressed. I don't need someone else to point out literary, stylistic, and pop culture references for me.
Well, that is the point of the site, really. To talk about the common tropes used in popular culture. Generally, it's just interesting to hit random and read about stuff you didn't know/think about before. It's just not your cup of tea, I suppose.
Is it just me or does anyone else not get the point of TV Tropes? I've been sent to that site repeatedly for different things and have never really been that impressed. I don't need someone else to point out literary, stylistic, and pop culture references for me.Well, that is the point of the site, really. To talk about the common tropes used in popular culture. Generally, it's just interesting to hit random and read about stuff you didn't know/think about before. It's just not your cup of tea, I suppose.
Agreeing with Yoda on this one. Some of the things there just make my head hurt, especially since I've started to notice more than a few of my friends start viewing the world from a trope viewpoint, making casual conversation on TV(or anything else) difficult.
I trod around the GitP forums sometimes. Most of the negative reaction for Pathfinder was mostly reaction toward change. Most people on there have been playing 3.5 for a very, very long time, and as such they all had their own ideas of how to "fix" the game themselves - and, of course, Pathfinder didn't include the changes THEY wanted.
Other flaws in arguing against Pathfinder included considering it across the entirety of (often poorly thought out) 3.5 canon - I.E. "the changes obsolesce/break this obscure prestige class!" - or considering some new rules and not others, instead getting an incomplete and unbalanced vision of the game: "The DC to cast defensively went up a little? You can still get Skill Focus: Concentration, so it doesn't even matter!" Or simply misunderstanding the rules entirely. "The CMD is the DC to tumble through a square? How does having shield bonuses and deflection modifiers let you hit guys tumbling by you!?" (CMD is Str + Dex + BAB, all stuff that helps you hit guys. And I've seen this very complaint.)
Another thing is that Pathfinder seems to focus on ease of play, - people complain about the changes to Power Attack and Combat Expertise because you can't vary the bonuses and penalties, but I think that's why they were changed - they were hard to understand and slowed the game down a little.
Keep in mind that those who rigorously defend 3.5 as superior to Pathfinder are the sort of guys who think that half-ranks for cross-class skills are a cool idea.
I hadn't realized GITP had an active RPG forum, and upon seeing that note I went over there and checked. Nothing on the first three pages had anything substantive to say about Pathfinder at all.
They do, occasionally a PF thread pops up, there have even been some on rounds 1&2 of the APG playtest classes. I saw a few trolls hitting them, but overall what I read was constructive. The trolls said their piece and it didn't get taken much farther.
Even seen a few 3.5/PF help request threads from some trying to work PF and 3.5 materials together into their game.
I reedited the opening to give a more accurate depiction of the situation and remove the hate. ...However, the entry now isn't showing up at all for me. x.x;
I reedited the opening to give a more accurate depiction of the situation and remove the hate. ...However, the entry now isn't showing up at all for me. x.x;
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You broke it!
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But it can be useful to have a common language. I can now say "Ooooo, that character's The Worf" and even if people don't know what I'm talking about right then I can direct them to the tvtrope page. Otherwise I'd have to say "that character's one of those standard characters who's tough but really just exists to get beat by the Big Bad to show that the Big Bad is really tough". It takes longer, and not as fun of a reference.
That's awfully reductive, don't you think? I mean, if you're ok with looking at things on that basic level, then sure, but I tend to look at television, books, movies, etc. with a bit more nuance than that. Either that or I don't watch shows that are nothing but an amalgam of clichés from other sources.
That's awfully reductive, don't you think? I mean, if you're ok with looking at things on that basic level, then sure, but I tend to look at television, books, movies, etc. with a bit more nuance than that. Either that or I don't watch shows that are nothing but an amalgam of clichés from other sources.
Oh, 99% of shows only did things that have been done before. That doesn't mean that they're good or bad, just that it's really hard to come up with something that hasn't been done before.
I reedited the opening to give a more accurate depiction of the situation and remove the hate. ...However, the entry now isn't showing up at all for me. x.x;+1
You broke it!
I know the entry hasn't actually been deleted -- the full text still shows up under Edit Page.
Must figure out what went wrong...
Well that's just weird.
Apparently "WotC" without the proper brackets to stop it being a link will break the page. o.o;
In MediaWiki, anytime you have unclosed tags, either the [[ ]] wikilink brackets or the {{ }} template brackets you'll get that result.Well that's just weird.
Apparently "WotC" without the proper brackets to stop it being a link will break the page. o.o;
I know that. But WotC with NO brackets?
come on, guys, where are the tropes? I added the Fan Service/Fan Disservice entries months ago, on my own.
You guys can't add something beyond correcting some petty details?
Check the edit history? I'm verging on a quarter of the page content. Our X Are X, all mine...
I used to be a loyal GITPer before I came over here, and have since pretty left GITP because of the attitude toward Pathfinder on that board. In my personal experience, I had trouble with posting or participating in a Pathfinder thread that didn't get spammed by a small but persistent group of posters who would just repeatedly post about how Pathfinder sucked or how Paizo doesn't know how to design games (funny, they were never saying that when the very same staff was publishing Dungeon and Dragon). Because of this small but very persistent group of people, trying to have a productive conversation about the actual, specific merits AND flaws of the system became very difficult, because people inevitably responded to the more incendiary posts about "Pathfinder sux!" than the more constructive conversations. Yes, there's nearly no Pathfinder posts there now; my theory on that is because of what I just said--there's no point in trying to have a conversation that's just going to end up being flame/trollbait, intentional or no (which is why I left; I've decided to run my own campaign in Pathfinder, so I know I'm not going to get any help or useful advice from the RPG boards there). All this is my personal perception and experience, so of course take that with a large grain of salt.
You want an example of a GITP Pathfinder post, search the forums for their discussion of Vancian Psionics in Pathfinder (based on a comment James Jacob said that had little to do with any official statements). That should be a relatively fair representation of the attitudes toward Pathfinder at that board.
A lot of GITPers are TV Tropers, so it will be likely that their opinions will get entered into the Pathfinder entry on that site.
This is funny, because the "Order Of The Stick" has never converted to 4th Edition - but they would still be very legal in Pathfinder.
Schwang.
My simulacrum has been busy.
My simulacrum has been busy.
Show me an avatar that looks more like the Evil Midnight Bomber what Bombs at Midnight than this one does and I'll be happy to switch. :P
