Some Confusion Regarding the Order of the Nail (Hellknight spoilers)


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I was expecting some changes to occur with the official levels of Hellknights once the Hellknight prestige class came out. What I was expecting, in general, was for the Hellknight NPCs to switch out a couple levels into the prestige class if fighter-type classes originally or gaining maybe a single level or two of it on top of their present levels if more of a caster type. The Hellknight Order of the Nail, however, got a rather massive makeover, and I’m wondering which version of it is official.

Lictor Severs “Boneclaw" DiVri was formerly a Level 13 Fighter with 2 Levels of Aristocrat. This made him Level 15 (close to 14 if you’re counting the levels in Aristocrat as being worth half a PC class level). He is now a Level 4 Fighter / Level 2 Rogue / Level 4 Hellknight. This makes him Level 10 and introduces Rogue levels to the guy with no explanation. This is a 4 or 5 level loss depending on how you look at it.

Paravicar Acillmar was formerly a Cleric of Asmodeus 3 / Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 2. He is now a Sorceror 7 / Hellknight 1. He didn’t lose any overall levels, but his build definitely changed. He also switched from Lawful Evil to Lawful Neutral.

Maidrayne Vox, the Mistress of Blades was formerly a Fighter 12. She is now a Fighter 3 / Ranger 3 / Hellknight 2. She lost 4 levels in this process. She is also now a centaur, having formerly been a human. Her alignment shifted from Lawful Evil to Lawful Good.

I’m honestly wondering what brought about the changes to the Order of the Nail level and build wise. In a more general context, I’m also wondering if Paizo is trying to bring the average level of NPCs down. Comparing more recent products (The Hellknight Article, Cities of Golarion, and to a lesser extent the article on Westcrown) to some earlier ones (the Guide to Korvosa in particular), it seems as though the average level of significant NPCs has dropped by around 5. This might just be my imagination and isn’t really a complaint (although I would rather have more higher-level NPCs present, given the level PCs tend to reach by the end of adventure path and my enjoyment of high-level play in general). I’m just trying to gague what direction you guys are heading in and what the official level distribution of Golarion is tending towards at the moment.

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Lord Gadigan wrote:
<snip> Maidrayne Vox, the Mistress of Blades was formerly a Fighter 12. She is now a Fighter 3 / Ranger 3 / Hellknight 2. She lost 4 levels in this process. She is also now a centaur, having formerly been a human. Her alignment shifted from Lawful Evil to Lawful Good. <snip>

I don't remember the specific locations, but I know it was stated on the board that the reference of her being a human was incorrect, and that she is supposed to be a centaur.

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Gamer Girrl wrote:
Lord Gadigan wrote:
<snip> Maidrayne Vox, the Mistress of Blades was formerly a Fighter 12. She is now a Fighter 3 / Ranger 3 / Hellknight 2. She lost 4 levels in this process. She is also now a centaur, having formerly been a human. Her alignment shifted from Lawful Evil to Lawful Good. <snip>
I don't remember the specific locations, but I know it was stated on the board that the reference of her being a human was incorrect, and that she is supposed to be a centaur.

I must have missed the reference to her being a human, as far back as the Hellknight sidebar in the Magnimar write up she's a centaur. I also missed those stats, where are they from?

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Robert Hawkshaw wrote:
Gamer Girrl wrote:
Lord Gadigan wrote:
<snip> Maidrayne Vox, the Mistress of Blades was formerly a Fighter 12. She is now a Fighter 3 / Ranger 3 / Hellknight 2. She lost 4 levels in this process. She is also now a centaur, having formerly been a human. Her alignment shifted from Lawful Evil to Lawful Good. <snip>
I don't remember the specific locations, but I know it was stated on the board that the reference of her being a human was incorrect, and that she is supposed to be a centaur.
I must have missed the reference to her being a human, as far back as the Hellknight sidebar in the Magnimar write up she's a centaur.

From the Guide to Korvosa Appendix: Mistress of Blades Maidrayne Vox (LE female human fighter 12), field commander of Order of the Nail.

This is where the confusion started.

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Gamer Girrl wrote:
Robert Hawkshaw wrote:
Gamer Girrl wrote:
Lord Gadigan wrote:
<snip> Maidrayne Vox, the Mistress of Blades was formerly a Fighter 12. She is now a Fighter 3 / Ranger 3 / Hellknight 2. She lost 4 levels in this process. She is also now a centaur, having formerly been a human. Her alignment shifted from Lawful Evil to Lawful Good. <snip>
I don't remember the specific locations, but I know it was stated on the board that the reference of her being a human was incorrect, and that she is supposed to be a centaur.
I must have missed the reference to her being a human, as far back as the Hellknight sidebar in the Magnimar write up she's a centaur.

From the Guide to Korvosa Appendix: Mistress of Blades Maidrayne Vox (LE female human fighter 12), field commander of Order of the Nail.

This is where the confusion started.

Mistress of Blades Maidrayne Vox is a centaur. Korvosa is in error.

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Gamer Girrl wrote:
Robert Hawkshaw wrote:
Gamer Girrl wrote:
Lord Gadigan wrote:
<snip> Maidrayne Vox, the Mistress of Blades was formerly a Fighter 12. She is now a Fighter 3 / Ranger 3 / Hellknight 2. She lost 4 levels in this process. She is also now a centaur, having formerly been a human. Her alignment shifted from Lawful Evil to Lawful Good. <snip>
I don't remember the specific locations, but I know it was stated on the board that the reference of her being a human was incorrect, and that she is supposed to be a centaur.
I must have missed the reference to her being a human, as far back as the Hellknight sidebar in the Magnimar write up she's a centaur.

From the Guide to Korvosa Appendix: Mistress of Blades Maidrayne Vox (LE female human fighter 12), field commander of Order of the Nail.

This is where the confusion started.

Thanks! I haven't looked at that chart in ages.

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