Snog is slang (English- british) for kissing.
Shag is slang (English- british) for having intercourse.
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Which explains exactly NOTHING.
The human brain deals with things it understands. When you don't understand something, particularly as a child, you usually ignore it. I remember being very scared of horror movies as a kid, you would probably have had to force me physically to watch them. However, when I did see scary things on TV, for example, what happened was I got nightmares for a night or two, then it was out of my system.
And guess what was worst? A trailer for a documentary about the opening of the concentration camps 1945, shown at 7 pm on TV one evening, which had emaciated corpses in mass graves and all that rot.
My only hope after being shattered by this was?
You got it: "This is just made up, isn't it?"
Children are very good at separating fiction from reality. Don't forget this in your own parenting. Let them take part of what they want to. If something is out of their range, tell them what you expect from it, and ask them again if they want to see it. If they get scared, comfort them and discuss it with them, try to give them some sense of context. A little while later, they will be just fine about it.
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What I meant by the *old* Captain America is both the Captain America of the 1930s - 1950s (he took on Adolf Hitler before the U.S. even entered the war) and the late 1990s-2000s pre-death Captain America. This Captain America stood for all of the things Superman stated that he stood for: truth, justice, and the American way. He took on both globe-threatening human threats (re: Hitler) and homegrown ones. For years, he was the moral compass of the Avengers.
And then, in a heart-wrenching yet moronic storyline, he was assassinated by a brainwashed ally. Enter Captain America II.
The mantle of Captain America was taken on by Bucky, the Winter Soldier (a former brainwashed Soviet agent and former sidekick of the Captain). I believe that this choice was made by Marvel due to Bucky's *edgier*, more volatile nature. The "new" Captain America no longer uses his shield alone to defend others; he carries a Colt .45 and a Rambo-esque combat knife. His uniform is black from the waist down, and he f*!!ING KILLS PEOPLE. Personally, I believe that, whether intentionally or not, the writers at Marvel crafted a Captain America of the new United States, an America in which big government rules, and the only rules are shoot first, ask questions later.
I actually think I prefer Steve Rogers dead just because of the way Marvel handles him. My favourite subplot of the 80's/90's was the Cap Diamondback angle. To me it summed up what America should be in a nutshell. Nice to see from a distance, all too mortal up close with enemies and allies, yet you want to work with it to help it become better.
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Captain America is the protection from all enemies, foreign and domestic. He should be living a 'normal' life unlike Tony Stark's millionair existance. In some ways he should be Peter Parker when he takes the uniform off. He has the potential to be a star athlete, do American Gladiators, MMA, what have you but he doesn't. He contributes to society, be it as a cop, an artist, or just that guy down the street who helps with your groceries and stopped that purse snatcher. In many ways, Benton Frasier is Captain Canada ;-) He'd look at the war with Al Quida as just that, a war. He lived through some of the most terrible attrocities of the 20th century, and some of the darker days of his own country's. He'd understand that sometimes you have to be the lone wolf crying enough, sometimes you have to do what isn't popular, but is right. One of the panels that stuck with me from JMS's 9/11 spider man issue is Cap standing there looking at the ruins and my realization that while he's a fictional character, there really are people who have seen this nation sneak attacked, twice.</rant>
And Bucky should have stayed dead.
Two of my favourite Captain America quotes, one from the 'core' Marvel universe, one from the Ultimates.
'Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world - "No, you move."'
Amazing Spider-Man #537
Captain America: No. It's just means that my head and my heart tell me it's 1945. They tell me that when I switch on the radio, it should take a minute to warm up and music should come out, not noise and foul language. They tell me that when I talk about God as something real, people should understand, not look away as if I'm crazy. They tell me that I should be winning a war that will make the world free and everyone equal -- not looking at the sad result of sixty years of compromise and lowered expectations. They tell me that I'm just a man. No better than any other. But no worse.
The human mind can only take so much trauma before shutting down. And a lot of stuff that an adult wouldn't think of as traumatic is life-altering for a kid.Just for curiosity's sake, what sorts of things were you thinking of?
Well, for a real-life example, a little over a year ago the lamp in my son's room malfunctioned and caught on fire. Luckily I was standing right there when it happened and was able to get the fire put out quickly. From an adult standpoint, minor scare quickly dealt with and we were all just happy that it didn't happen at a time when the results could have been so much worse. My son, on the other hand, was traumatised and still has nightmares about housefires. I have to go over the fire safety plan with him at least once a month just to keep him from totally freaking out about it.
Well, for a real-life example, a little over a year ago the lamp in my son's room malfunctioned and caught on fire. Luckily I was standing right there when it happened and was able to get the fire put out quickly. From an adult standpoint, minor scare quickly dealt with and we were all just happy that it didn't happen at a time when the results could have been so much worse. My son, on the other hand, was traumatised and still has nightmares about housefires. I have to go over the fire safety plan with him at least once a month just to keep him from totally freaking out about it.The human mind can only take so much trauma before shutting down. And a lot of stuff that an adult wouldn't think of as traumatic is life-altering for a kid.Just for curiosity's sake, what sorts of things were you thinking of?
While your son is freaking out, he is right. :( If you hadn't been right there, then you might be living in another place right now.
While your son is freaking out, he is right. :( If you hadn't been right there, then you might be living in another place right now.
True. But the point being that it took a few hours to process through that fear as an adult, but he's still working on it more than a year later. It is definitely a legit fear. But he's still working on developing the mental tools to put that fear in perspective.
True. But the point being that it took a few hours to process through that fear as an adult, but he's still working on it more than a year later. It is definitely a legit fear. But he's still working on developing the mental tools to put that fear in perspective.
While your son is freaking out, he is right. :( If you hadn't been right there, then you might be living in another place right now.
True.
While it is true that we (as adults) often underestimate kids, they are not yet adults. There are real limits to where they should be developmentally.
Trying Again:
While it is true that we as adults (I use the term loosely) often underestimate kids, they are not yet adults. There are real differences to how kids can process experiences and information.
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I've thunk on this.
I think the problem here is a Spiderman comic is theoretically a known commodity. It's like popping open a Coke, taking a swig, and there's Seagram's in there.
Not that Seagram's is bad, but you want to know what you're getting, and it would be nice to be able to rely on a known commodity not going off on a whimsical tangent. You wanna be able to grab a Spidey comic off the stand, give it to your kid, and not have to explain roofies to him at the moment.
You wanna do the top shelf, edgy stuff, go for it; just label it as such. Don't mix it in with the usual "Comic Code Authority" type stuff.
I'm not gonna get my kid Watchmen or Preacher; that doesn't make me not buy that stuff.
As an aside, my kid drew some Spideys; got them on the fridge at home.
I've thunk on this.
I think the problem here is a Spiderman comic is theoretically a known commodity. It's like popping open a Coke, taking a swig, and there's Seagram's in there.
Not that Seagram's is bad, but you want to know what you're getting, and it would be nice to be able to rely on a known commodity not going off on a whimsical tangent. You wanna be able to grab a Spidey comic off the stand, give it to your kid, and not have to explain roofies to him at the moment.You wanna do the top shelf, edgy stuff, go for it; just label it as such. Don't mix it in with the usual "Comic Code Authority" type stuff.
I'm not gonna get my kid Watchmen or Preacher; that doesn't make me not buy that stuff.As an aside, my kid drew some Spideys; got them on the fridge at home.
Marvel withdrew from the Comics Code Authority in 2001.
Does it count as 'unfaithful' to notice that other people are hot? 'Cause that seems like a fairly stalker-y standard to hold someone to... "OMG! Sue noticed that Spider-man is more buff than I am. That harlot!"
THANK YOU!!!
Yes, there's a world of difference between LOOKING at a member of the opposite sex, and actual infidelity. (Even aside from the fact that, on "day one," Sue wasn't married yet.)
Set, I'm glad you replied... and I'm sorry that I can't bring myself to read the rest of your post, beyond a quick skim.
On the other hand, even if Sue has slept with someone other than Reed in her life, it's too little too late. She should have divorced his butt after he sent super-villain 'cape-killers' to arrest her, Johnny and Ben, kidnapped their kids, made a clone of Thor that murdered a fellow Avenger and sent SHIELD agents to fire explosive missiles into apartment buildings full of civilians in an attempt to 'arrest' the Runaways and Young Avengers.
Reed's finally catching up with Von Doom on the 'insane control-freak' meter. (Although Von Doom just pushed ahead by doing the most out-of-character thing ever, callously destroying Latveria, which he's been demonstrably willing to *die* to protect in the past.)
But you know the Marvel Universe is in trouble when the 'official' Avengers consist of the Green Goblin-pretending-to-be-Iron Man, Moonstone-pretending-to-be-Ms Marvel, Bullseye-pretending-to-be-Hawkeye and *Venom*-(yanno, that dude who used to *eat people?*)pretending-to-be-Spider Man. Oh, and there's some nobody pretending to be Wolverine, because, insanely, the real Wolverine wasn't psycho enough for this team...
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Marvel withdrew from the Comics Code Authority in 2001.I've thunk on this.
I think the problem here is a Spiderman comic is theoretically a known commodity. It's like popping open a Coke, taking a swig, and there's Seagram's in there.
Not that Seagram's is bad, but you want to know what you're getting, and it would be nice to be able to rely on a known commodity not going off on a whimsical tangent. You wanna be able to grab a Spidey comic off the stand, give it to your kid, and not have to explain roofies to him at the moment.You wanna do the top shelf, edgy stuff, go for it; just label it as such. Don't mix it in with the usual "Comic Code Authority" type stuff.
I'm not gonna get my kid Watchmen or Preacher; that doesn't make me not buy that stuff.As an aside, my kid drew some Spideys; got them on the fridge at home.
I know that; for lack of a better metaphor though....
I know that; for lack of a better metaphor though....Marvel withdrew from the Comics Code Authority in 2001.I've thunk on this.
I think the problem here is a Spiderman comic is theoretically a known commodity. It's like popping open a Coke, taking a swig, and there's Seagram's in there.
Not that Seagram's is bad, but you want to know what you're getting, and it would be nice to be able to rely on a known commodity not going off on a whimsical tangent. You wanna be able to grab a Spidey comic off the stand, give it to your kid, and not have to explain roofies to him at the moment.You wanna do the top shelf, edgy stuff, go for it; just label it as such. Don't mix it in with the usual "Comic Code Authority" type stuff.
I'm not gonna get my kid Watchmen or Preacher; that doesn't make me not buy that stuff.As an aside, my kid drew some Spideys; got them on the fridge at home.
True.
And, Marvel withdrew from Quality Writing and Storytelling in 2000.
And, Marvel withdrew from Quality Writing and Storytelling in 2000.
Oh, I don't know... I think it was earlier. I blame Rob Liefield.
Another quality title bites the dust, while the crap just keep coming.
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And, Marvel withdrew from Quality Writing and Storytelling in 2000.Oh, I don't know... I think it was earlier. I blame Rob Liefield.
I blame Liefield for the general decline of comics in general. Everyone thought he was such a boy genius that they all started writing and drawing like him.
I blame Liefield for the general decline of comics in general. Everyone thought he was such a boy genius that they all started writing and drawing like him.And, Marvel withdrew from Quality Writing and Storytelling in 2000.Oh, I don't know... I think it was earlier. I blame Rob Liefield.
I have my own similar issues with Liefield, but I can't help but wonder if he was the cause of this decline or simply its poster boy. Keep in mind that he said what a lot of people who had to work with the big two were thinking and then did something about it.
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The human mind can only take so much trauma before shutting down. And a lot of stuff that an adult wouldn't think of as traumatic is life-altering for a kid.Just for curiosity's sake, what sorts of things were you thinking of?Finding out Santa Claus is made up.
I hate to admit it, but that tore me up when I found out.
My parents told me when I was, like, four. I cried for about as many minutes, then got hungry and forgot about it.
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My parents told me when I was, like, four. I cried for about as many minutes, then got hungry and forgot about it.The human mind can only take so much trauma before shutting down. And a lot of stuff that an adult wouldn't think of as traumatic is life-altering for a kid.Just for curiosity's sake, what sorts of things were you thinking of?Finding out Santa Claus is made up.
I hate to admit it, but that tore me up when I found out.
Santa Claus is an evil corporate conspiracy your parents are involved in stemming back to when cocaine was an ingredient in Coca-Cola (the 70's i think).
My parents told me when I was, like, four. I cried for about as many minutes, then got hungry and forgot about it.The human mind can only take so much trauma before shutting down. And a lot of stuff that an adult wouldn't think of as traumatic is life-altering for a kid.Just for curiosity's sake, what sorts of things were you thinking of?Finding out Santa Claus is made up.
I hate to admit it, but that tore me up when I found out.
My older brother woke me up at about 4 am on Christmas morning when I was 6, and he made me sneak a peek in the living room, where I saw my Mom putting presents under the tree, and my Aunt stuffing the stockings while eating the cookies I had put out for Santa. I was so pissed at my Aunt for like 3 months.
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Children are very good at separating fiction from reality. Don't forget this in your own parenting. Let them take part of what they want to. If something is out of their range, tell them what you expect from it, and ask them again if they want to see it. If they get scared, comfort them and discuss it with them, try to give them some sense of context. A little while later, they will be just fine about it.
One question. How old are your kids?
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I blame Liefield for the general decline of comics in general. Everyone thought he was such a boy genius that they all started writing and drawing like him.
Deadpool aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF LIEFELD'S CHARACTERS suffer from the "I haz big muscles and pouches and ZOMG I CAN'T REACH MY FIFTY GUNS" syndrome. His name is Mud in almost all circles I've come into contact with.
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I blame Liefield for the general decline of comics in general. Everyone thought he was such a boy genius that they all started writing and drawing like him.Deadpool aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF LIEFELD'S CHARACTERS suffer from the "I haz big muscles and pouches and ZOMG I CAN'T REACH MY FIFTY GUNS" syndrome. His name is Mud in almost all circles I've come into contact with.
Dont' forget his 'I am Sam Guthrie Mcleod of the clan Mcleod' drek in X-force. Thank the Divine Illyana was dead during his tenure.
Dont' forget his 'I am Sam Guthrie Mcleod of the clan Mcleod' drek in X-force. Thank the Divine Illyana was dead during his tenure.I blame Liefield for the general decline of comics in general. Everyone thought he was such a boy genius that they all started writing and drawing like him.Deadpool aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF LIEFELD'S CHARACTERS suffer from the "I haz big muscles and pouches and ZOMG I CAN'T REACH MY FIFTY GUNS" syndrome. His name is Mud in almost all circles I've come into contact with.
That was pretty frakking stupid.
Ahh, sweet sweet nostalgia. I think the very first thread I ever read on the Paizo messageboards devolved into a Liefield hate-fest. Our disdain and resentment for him will never die.
Ahh, sweet sweet nostalgia. I think the very first thread I ever read on the Paizo messageboards devolved into a Liefield hate-fest. Our disdain and resentment for him will never die.
I'm certain that a psychological condition will eventually be discovered where the subject is unable to perceive human feet. I officially propose it be named Liefield Syndrome.
I blame Rob Liefeld.SAY NOT THE NAME! You may summon him and his godawful jeans commercials!
My momma said... my momma said... my momma said, Mr. Leifeld is the devil. ;)
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My older brother woke me up at about 4 am on Christmas morning when I was 6, and he made me sneak a peek in the living room, where I saw my Mom putting presents under the tree, and my Aunt stuffing the stockings while eating the cookies I had put out for Santa. I was so pissed at my Aunt for like 3 months.My parents told me when I was, like, four. I cried for about as many minutes, then got hungry and forgot about it.The human mind can only take so much trauma before shutting down. And a lot of stuff that an adult wouldn't think of as traumatic is life-altering for a kid.Just for curiosity's sake, what sorts of things were you thinking of?Finding out Santa Claus is made up.
I hate to admit it, but that tore me up when I found out.
My mother sat us down one December to explain to us that because money was tight, there weren't going to be many Christmas presents that year. I, being the youngest, said, "But what about Santa?" My mother left the room in tears. If I could take back that innocent question, I would.
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My mother sat us down one December to explain to us that because money was tight, there weren't going to be many Christmas presents that year. I, being the youngest, said, "But what about Santa?" My mother left the room in tears. If I could take back that innocent question, I would.
I am Santa Claus! :-)
Seriously, I remember figuring it out but didn't say anything because 1) my little sister hadn't and 2) I figured that the number of presents would diminish if I was 'only' getting them from Mom & Dad (10 year old economics)
Santa Claus story to put some cheer in here.
My (then) wife and I got a couple of things for her and her daughter and shipped them to her. We knew that it wouldn't make it to her house by Christmas, so I included a 'letter from Santa' explaining that we'd gotten back to the North Pole and found the box, but the dear were tired, Rudolph had bad gas, my gout was acting up and Mrs. Claus wanted her Christmas present, so we shipped it USPS.
It was well received.
One of my internet friends, single mom, lost the breaks in her van 2 weeks before Christmas and had to spend the Christmas account to get it fixed.
My (then) wife and I got a couple of things for her and her daughter and shipped them to her. We knew that it wouldn't make it to her house by Christmas, so I included a 'letter from Santa' explaining that we'd gotten back to the North Pole and found the box, but the dear were tired, Rudolph had bad gas, my gout was acting up and Mrs. Claus wanted her Christmas present, so we shipped it USPS.
It was well received.
And yet they say human nature is greedy......
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Ahh, sweet sweet nostalgia. I think the very first thread I ever read on the Paizo messageboards devolved into a Liefield hate-fest. Our disdain and resentment for him will never die.I'm certain that a psychological condition will eventually be discovered where the subject is unable to perceive human feet. I officially propose it be named Liefield Syndrome.
And if you're ever in the mood for some more Liefeld-induced self-mutilation...
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Ok I have been a comic reader since I was 4 yrs old and I grew up reading Wonder Woman and The Savage Sword of Conan along with Vampirella, teen titans and a lot of others.I hear Wonder Woman has gone 'Bondage Woman'. That will cut its availability to the kiddies...oi! stay away from my Savage Sword of Conan!
Dude, the original Wonder Woman comics would make Bettie Page blush.
Dude, the original Wonder Woman comics would make Bettie Page blush.
I disagree.
Yes, the original Wonder Woman comics had a lot of people tying each other up, and spanking. Yes, I know many people get turned on by that stuff (although I don't.) But THERE IS NO EXPLICIT SEX INVOLVED!!! There is always some justification in the plot of the story for these things to happen that has nothing to do with sex.
It's an entirely different matter when characters openly discuss sex, or are seen having sex. And it defeats me how so many people see no difference.
I strictly censor sex from my children (and have already received criticism from people on this site for that reason.) But I would have no problem reading the original Wonder Woman material to my daughter. In fact, I HAVE done, thanks to the Archives edition (Volume 1). If you don't know about sex, you won't learn anything about it from that book!
But... <sigh>... even assuming anyone pays any attention at all to this post, I doubt anyone will agree. I just don't get it.
I strictly censor sex from my children (and have already received criticism from people on this site for that reason.)
I can certainly sympathize with you there, especially if they're too young to understand what's going on. What I can't abide, though, is when parents play the hyper-strict censor on the one hand ("OMG! A subliminal flash of a boob during half time! All children watching are EMOTIONALLY SCARRED FOR LIFE!") but on the other, sit there and watch something like "24" with their kids and cheer on Jack Bauer as he tortures the "bad guys." Personally, I'd go out of my way to censor explicit torture from kids, over mild sex -- and especially over non-sexual body parts that most of the human population has.
Dude, the original Wonder Woman comics would make Bettie Page blush.I disagree.
Yes, the original Wonder Woman comics had a lot of people tying each other up, and spanking. Yes, I know many people get turned on by that stuff (although I don't.) But THERE IS NO EXPLICIT SEX INVOLVED!!! There is always some justification in the plot of the story for these things to happen that has nothing to do with sex.
It's an entirely different matter when characters openly discuss sex, or are seen having sex. And it defeats me how so many people see no difference.
I strictly censor sex from my children (and have already received criticism from people on this site for that reason.) But I would have no problem reading the original Wonder Woman material to my daughter. In fact, I HAVE done, thanks to the Archives edition (Volume 1). If you don't know about sex, you won't learn anything about it from that book!
But... <sigh>... even assuming anyone pays any attention at all to this post, I doubt anyone will agree. I just don't get it.
There was no explicit sex in Betty Page's work either. It was merely tying up and poses. Sure, sometimes she was nude, but when she was, the most you got was sideboob and one cheek of her ass.
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I strictly censor sex from my children (and have already received criticism from people on this site for that reason.)I can certainly sympathize with you there, especially if they're too young to understand what's going on. What I can't abide, though, is when parents play the hyper-strict censor on the one hand ("OMG! A subliminal flash of a boob during half time! All children watching are EMOTIONALLY SCARRED FOR LIFE!") but on the other, sit there and watch something like "24" with their kids and cheer on Jack Bauer as he tortures the "bad guys." Personally, I'd go out of my way to censor explicit torture from kids, over mild sex -- and especially over non-sexual body parts that most of the human population has.
Am I to understand you don't find boobs sexy? (j/k) ;P
Actually, no comic, TV show, movie, or game I've seen so far can match the violence standards of that day when the news made me watch the remains of Saddam Hussein's brother at lunchtime... oh yeah, nothing to help my apetite like a bi-closeup of a corpse with half his face missing and the other half full with holes.
Just remember: we live in an age of reprints.
I collected the first three Essential Spider-Man volumes. I read them all in their entirety to my little girl, and she loved them so much, she just asked me to start the series over again.
I haven't read any CURRENT issues of any Marvel title in years and years. And from what you're saying in this thread (and others on this site), I'm glad I haven't. Sue Richards was unfaithful?!? I don't even want to know!
Same here. The Essentials line of reprints are awesome. I've read the 9 volumes of XMen they put out, 2 of the Spiderman one, Marvel Two in One (with the Thing) even Marvel's run of Godzilla (so terrible it is awesome!) and plan to get many many more of these. Fantastic Four, Avengers and Dr Strange are tops on my list right now. Will probably branch out to the Dracula & Werewolf reprints they are doing too.
I did get a free copy of a trade paperback of 6 issues of Uncanny XMen (444-449) and thought it was very good. No sex to speak of (beyond the cheesecake outfit Marvel Girl (Rachel Grey) was wearing) and the violence was acceptable. One person was killed in the 6 issue span - a young mutant who couldn't control his power and his emotional state made it so it went out of control. Although it wasn't shown it is implied and assumed Wolverine had to kill the mutant. There is also as scene where one of the XMen (Sage) is 'killed' by being shot in the head. It turns out it was Wolverine using Nightcrawler's old 'image inducer'. Again nothing is shown but I could see that upsetting a younger reader.
Am I to understand you don't find boobs sexy?
Seriously, I guess it depends on the context. If somebody is breast-feeding a baby, I don't find anything even remotely sexy about that, for example. Man-boobs don't really do it for me, either. And I've been in nude bathing situations overseas, and have to admit that after about 15 seconds you kind of forget that everyone is nude. Then again, if the female in question is attractive, well, then I don't mind taking a gander, so to speak...
Overall, though, I honestly don't understand the whole nudity = sex paradigm that most of the USA operates on.
