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Feel better soon, Lilith!

Dark Archive

Feel better.


Get well soon Lil. :)

Scarab Sages

Lilith wrote:
Hey gang, responses to Wayfinder will be slow going. I have been struck with one of Urgathoa's plagues and will be delayed in finalizing the Wayfinder #2 article list.

Get well, soon!

While we wait for your recovery, should we go ahead and tweak our material?

I know I've spotted ways to improve mine.

I originally didn't find the linnorms in the Bestiary when I started, since I was looking under 'Dragon', so assumed they'd been put back for a later product. I now find them in their own entry, and that the description in the Campaign Setting differs from the Bestiary, by describing them with vestigial wings, which they've since lost.
So scratch any mention of wing attacks.

Liberty's Edge

Snorter wrote:
While we wait for your recovery, should we go ahead and tweak our material?

Ah, yes, the infamous tweaking... Yeah, I could polish my submissions a bit more, too. :(

Liberty's Edge

Aurelius Sylvanus Treveri wrote:
Snorter wrote:
While we wait for your recovery, should we go ahead and tweak our material?
Ah, yes, the infamous tweaking... Yeah, I could polish my submissions a bit more, too. :(

boys boys

you had a month, let it be :P
do not worry Lilith more than she should :P


The version of your article that you sent in should have been your final one...though you might get a chance to update it before it goes out to the editor. (Not likely though, as we're cutting it close to the wire for the release date.)


No tweaking or we will never finish!!! We still have lots of editing/artsy/layout/privatepartscratching/marketing to do!

Scarab Sages

Lilith wrote:
The version of your article that you sent in should have been your final one...though you might get a chance to update it before it goes out to the editor. (Not likely though, as we're cutting it close to the wire for the release date.)

True, I was just thinking we could reduce delays from the editors being sick, if we amend things we've already spotted.

No sense waiting to be told things we already know, right?

In my case, remove any reference to fly speed, or wing attack, and chop reference to flight in the Tactics section.
Add the word 'mithral' to the armor (and reduce armor check penalty to -1).
That frees up some word count to add to the PC hook, and I'll see if I can rebalance the wordcount between backstory and current info.


We are going to get artsy real soon!

If someone other than the current artists wants to participate please let me know.

Sovereign Court

has Lilith decided who made the cut yet?


I'm sure we'll be notified in due order. Patience, grasshopper.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8

Shadowborn wrote:
I'm sure we'll be notified in due order. Patience, grasshopper.

I though Daigle was the grasshopper?

Liberty's Edge

Tarren Dei wrote:
Shadowborn wrote:
I'm sure we'll be notified in due order. Patience, grasshopper.
I though Daigle was the grasshopper?

No, dude, he's a praying mantis. Wait...

... Does that mean Daigle is really Jack Half-A-Prayer?


Hugo Solis wrote:

We are going to get artsy real soon!

If someone other than the current artists wants to participate please let me know.

I'd definitely be interested, although there's a sad lot of "depends" connected to it, ainly technical issues such as poor scanner etc. However that can be dealt with.

So, well, if you're missing more people, do let me know.

Sovereign Court

The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:

No, dude, he's a praying mantis. Wait...

... Does that mean Daigle is really Jack Half-A-Prayer?

When did he join my cult?


Luthia wrote:
Hugo Solis wrote:

We are going to get artsy real soon!

If someone other than the current artists wants to participate please let me know.

I'd definitely be interested, although there's a sad lot of "depends" connected to it, ainly technical issues such as poor scanner etc. However that can be dealt with.

So, well, if you're missing more people, do let me know.

This is a "Fan"-zine, and thou we do look up for quality, everyone is welcome as long as they submit a decent job.

Please shoot me an email to:

Spoiler:
hugo@butterfrog.com

to have your contact and send you the art request when ready


Hugo Solis wrote:
Luthia wrote:
Hugo Solis wrote:

We are going to get artsy real soon!

If someone other than the current artists wants to participate please let me know.

I'd definitely be interested, although there's a sad lot of "depends" connected to it, ainly technical issues such as poor scanner etc. However that can be dealt with.

So, well, if you're missing more people, do let me know.

This is a "Fan"-zine, and thou we do look up for quality, everyone is welcome as long as they submit a decent job.

Please shoot me an email to:
** spoiler omitted **
to have your contact and send you the art request when ready

Email sent, thanks a lot for the reply.

Hoping I can help with the project, it's such an awesome initiative.

Liberty's Edge

Hugo Solis wrote:
Luthia wrote:
Hugo Solis wrote:

We are going to get artsy real soon!

If someone other than the current artists wants to participate please let me know.

I'd definitely be interested, although there's a sad lot of "depends" connected to it, ainly technical issues such as poor scanner etc. However that can be dealt with.

So, well, if you're missing more people, do let me know.

This is a "Fan"-zine, and thou we do look up for quality, everyone is welcome as long as they submit a decent job.

Please shoot me an email to:
** spoiler omitted **
to have your contact and send you the art request when ready

Hey Hugo,

I shot you a quick e-mail ...

Thanks!

Marc


In the spirit of Snorter's 'last minute corrections', if whomever is editing Lady of Winter (if it's considered for inclusion) decides to run with just the story section and skip the introduction, then:

Charles Evans 25 wrote:
...This was a time, my daughter, when if the Emperor of Taldor wished to review his troops, the first soldier tramped past at the rising of the sun, and the very last was marching still, when the moon was scaling the heavens...

probably needs to lose the 'my daughter', as it will lack context.

Scarab Sages

Charles Evans 25 wrote:
In the spirit of Snorter's 'last minute corrections',...

Oh, Charles, you're champing at the bit, as are we all.

Have a sugar lump.

For the record, I sort of agree that there should be a limit on submitting amendments, so as not to drive the editors crazy.
Though I see a distinction between mechanical corrections, which have to be made, or the entry is objectively 'wrong', and descriptive prose, which is totally subjective, so can never be deemed right or wrong.

It's the latter that can get out of hand; many creatives are their own worst critic, and would be second-guessing themselves right up to the article going to press.


Snorter:
Ahh, the old numbers vs words debate... :D

Edit:
Smurf. ;)

Dark Archive

Snorter wrote:
It's the latter that can get out of hand; many creatives are their own worst critic, and would be second-guessing themselves right up to the article going to press.

Oh hell yes. And, in my case, several years after going to press. *Every* time I read something I've written in the past, I cringe and discover new errors or things that could have been worded better. Doesn't matter if I've read that particular item a dozen times in the past, it's like new typos creep in just to vex me...

Sovereign Court

Set wrote:
Snorter wrote:
It's the latter that can get out of hand; many creatives are their own worst critic, and would be second-guessing themselves right up to the article going to press.

Oh hell yes. And, in my case, several years after going to press. *Every* time I read something I've written in the past, I cringe and discover new errors or things that could have been worded better. Doesn't matter if I've read that particular item a dozen times in the past, it's like new typos creep in just to vex me...

I thought that level of anxiety and self-criticism only happened to artists...

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Are you saying that wordsmiths aren't artists? ;)

Seriously though, I was told by an editor far wiser than I that more often than not, it's best to fire and forget. There's no point in hammering yourself with things after they've seen print.

Dark Archive

Adam Daigle wrote:
Seriously though, I was told by an editor far wiser than I that more often than not, it's best to fire and forget. There's no point in hammering yourself with things after they've seen print.

Yup. The rule is 'it's never done, but eventually, it's done enough.'


Adam Daigle wrote:

Are you saying that wordsmiths aren't artists? ;)

Seriously though, I was told by an editor far wiser than I that more often than not, it's best to fire and forget. There's no point in hammering yourself with things after they've seen print.

Darn. I didn't realise Wayfinder #2 had actually come out, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered anyone with that last suggested adjustment. Linkie to the Wayfinder #2 download, please???

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

It's not. We were speaking generally.


Adam Daigle wrote:
It's not. We were speaking generally.

<Sigh.>

I did wonder, but hoped it might be out anyway...
<Wanders away.>

Scarab Sages

Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Snorter:

Ahh, the old numbers vs words debate... :D

Well, I never did get an answer to that original query from oh, so many years ago, that made any sense. Mostly, it was 'because writers have always been paid by the word', but that doesn't explain why that state of affairs ever became the norm.

Why are submissions (to any publication, not just this one) rated on number of words? Why not characters? Or number of lines?
Surely, it's the space taken up on the page that's the sticking point?

Otherwise, I'll start channeling Clark Ashton Smith, and those 1500 words will end up the size of a thesaurus. LOL

Sovereign Court

Snorter wrote:
Charles Evans 25 wrote:

Snorter:

Ahh, the old numbers vs words debate... :D

Well, I never did get an answer to that original query from oh, so many years ago, that made any sense. Mostly, it was 'because writers have always been paid by the word', but that doesn't explain why that state of affairs ever became the norm.

Why are submissions (to any publication, not just this one) rated on number of words? Why not characters? Or number of lines?
Surely, it's the space taken up on the page that's the sticking point?

Otherwise, I'll start channeling Clark Ashton Smith, and those 1500 words will end up the size of a thesaurus. LOL

IIRC, it has more to do with an estimation of the space a publisher has that they need to fill ... makes more sense to refer to that by word rather than columns (dimensions of which could vary depending on the publication or even page) or characters (which also leads to a wide variation depending on the letter ... the letter 'i' takes much less space than 'm', for example). A word count would average out the character count issue somewhat.

Of course, I could just be full of it and making it up as I go along. ;)


Lilith wrote:
  • DEADLINE: October 31st. All entries will be handled on a first come, first serve basis. Unlike the first Wayfinder, there will be a set limit on the number of articles, and your article may be rejected. I will announce when submissions are closed for Wayfinder #2, however, keep those submissions handy. Something…else…will be afoot. ;)
  • Clarification requested:

    I have seen nothing further on the subject of that 'Something…else…'. Did it fall through, and if not is there a specific date assigned to it?


    Charles Evans 25 wrote:
    Lilith wrote:
  • DEADLINE: October 31st. All entries will be handled on a first come, first serve basis. Unlike the first Wayfinder, there will be a set limit on the number of articles, and your article may be rejected. I will announce when submissions are closed for Wayfinder #2, however, keep those submissions handy. Something…else…will be afoot. ;)
  • Clarification requested:

    I have seen nothing further on the subject of that 'Something…else…'. Did it fall through, and if not is there a specific date assigned to it?

    The pieces have not been put in play for that yet, alas.

    Scarab Sages

    <hops from foot to foot, in breathless anticipation>


    Lilith wrote:
    Charles Evans 25 wrote:
    Lilith wrote:
  • DEADLINE: October 31st. All entries will be handled on a first come, first serve basis. Unlike the first Wayfinder, there will be a set limit on the number of articles, and your article may be rejected. I will announce when submissions are closed for Wayfinder #2, however, keep those submissions handy. Something…else…will be afoot. ;)
  • Clarification requested:

    I have seen nothing further on the subject of that 'Something…else…'. Did it fall through, and if not is there a specific date assigned to it?
    The pieces have not been put in play for that yet, alas.

    :(

    Then Que Sera, Sera.


    Wayfinder blog, YAY!


    Huzzah! When do we start finding out if our articles made it in or not? First week in December? i.e. Next week?


    I have finalized the article list for Wayfinder #2, and will be getting out emails tonight and tomorrow to editors, artists and authors.

    Dark Archive

    Crosses fingers.


    David Fryer wrote:
    Crosses fingers.

    Me too!

    Liberty's Edge

    Lilith wrote:
    I have finalized the article list for Wayfinder #2, and will be getting out emails tonight and tomorrow to editors, artists and authors.

    WOO-HOO! Lilith, you absolutely rock! YEEHA!

    Sovereign Court

    vagrant-poet wrote:
    David Fryer wrote:
    Crosses fingers.
    Me too!

    same here.


    Best wishes to all of you who were good enough to get in. If I understand the situation correctly I was too slow. :(
    I shall always be too slow I suspect...
    I salute you and take my leave.

    Schiller's 'Ode to Joy' and Ludwig van Beethoven's Symphony No. 9 wrote:
    ...Und wer's nie ge-konnt, der stehle weinend sich aus diesem Bund...

    Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012

    Lilith wrote:
    I have finalized the article list for Wayfinder #2, and will be getting out emails tonight and tomorrow to editors, artists and authors.

    Thanks, Lilith. Will we be finding out one way or the other (got accepted/did not get accepted)?


    taig wrote:
    Lilith wrote:
    I have finalized the article list for Wayfinder #2, and will be getting out emails tonight and tomorrow to editors, artists and authors.
    Thanks, Lilith. Will we be finding out one way or the other (got accepted/did not get accepted)?

    Yes. :)

    Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012

    Lilith wrote:
    taig wrote:
    Lilith wrote:
    I have finalized the article list for Wayfinder #2, and will be getting out emails tonight and tomorrow to editors, artists and authors.
    Thanks, Lilith. Will we be finding out one way or the other (got accepted/did not get accepted)?
    Yes. :)

    Hee hee. Here's hoping I have good news in my e-mail.

    And best of luck to everyone else. I'm looking forward to seeing the latest installment.


    All emails have been sent to the authors for acceptance (or rejection). If you didn't get an email, send me one so I can check the status on your article. For those of you that sent in Side Treks, I'll be combining those into one article.
    Accepted articles are away to the editors.
    Art orders are being written.

    Go Wayfinder go!


    Huzzah! I'm really excited now!

    RPG Superstar 2012

    Congratulations to everyone who got their articles accepted!

    Sovereign Court

    Yay! Who's two thumbs and got into another Wayfinder? This Guy!
    Congrats to everyone else who made the cut.

    If you didn't make the cut don't get discouraged! Keep trying!

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