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meabolex |
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"by hitting them with a sneak attack"
As written this means even a non-lethal attack with a sap, one that does no damage due to DR, etc. could still do Bleed. I was looking at it to make sure it worked for blunt weapons; I guess the bleeding is internal sometimes.
There's nothing that would say otherwise to this, but as a DM I'd disallow a non-lethal sneak attack from causing lethal bleeding. Only something that would deal lethal damage *should* trigger the bleed, but that's just a personal ruling |: I'd also disallow a sneak attack that deals no damage (zero damage from the entire attack including sneak attack dice) from triggering this as well.
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meabolex |
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non-lethal bleed damage
Again, there's nothing to rule this out, but it's kind of ridiculous q: The bleed glossary description mentions ability drain bleed, ability damage bleed, and "damage", but it doesn't specify nonlethal damage or lethal damage.
Maybe it causes a wound that is very painful. Each round the wound's pain deals you non-lethal damage. Eventually it becomes so painful that you pass out. . .
Since there's nothing official either way, I'd side on the "bleed is caused by a lethal wound" approach. But otherwise it's undefined.
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udalrich wrote:non-lethal bleed damageAgain, there's nothing to rule this out, but it's kind of ridiculous q: The bleed glossary description mentions ability drain bleed, ability damage bleed, and "damage", but it doesn't specify nonlethal damage or lethal damage.
Maybe it causes a wound that is very painful. Each round the wound's pain deals you non-lethal damage. Eventually it becomes so painful that you pass out. . .
Since there's nothing official either way, I'd side on the "bleed is caused by a lethal wound" approach. But otherwise it's undefined.
Yes, I'd also rule that you can only use that ability with lethal damage. Of course, hitting someone on the head with a sap with enough force might make you bleed, but as per RAW, it's only subdual damage, so I wouldn't allow it.
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Slightly off topic. When does the bleed damage start?
Do you immediately add the damage when you cut them or does the bleeding effect take place starting next round?
A creature that is taking bleed damage takes the listed amount of damage at the beginning of its turn.
Here's hoping that the cleric goes just before you.