At least your lapse didn't go long enough for you to start calculating his THAC0...
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Actually Half-plate, as written in 3.5 and PFRPG is the old 2nd ed Plate Mail (base AC3). Same cost, same weight. 600 GP, and 50lbs.
So Half Plate + Shield is AC 2
Field plate + shield is AC 1
Full plate + shield is AC 0 plus old school DR
I use some old stats as comparison when making old material conversions.
At least your lapse didn't go long enough for you to start calculating his THAC0...
I actually was statting up and NPC a few days ago and got so mixed up. I was trying to think what a Ftr 10/Mnk 10's thac0 would be.
Then I was like, wait....... there's no Fighter/Monk multi-class in second edition........
At least your lapse didn't go long enough for you to start calculating his THAC0...Never would have ... I was in full 1st Edition mindset. PHB, UA and all.
What did you roll for his Comeliness score?
At least your lapse didn't go long enough for you to start calculating his THAC0...I actually was statting up and NPC a few days ago and got so mixed up. I was trying to think what a Ftr 10/Mnk 10's thac0 would be.
Then I was like, wait....... there's no Fighter/Monk multi-class in second edition........
I've got a player that just recently rejoined our group. She's playing a rogue, and keeps using the term "backstab" instead of "sneak attack." I'm still not sure why, since we were in 3.5 when she stopped playing.
Maybe this is an actual condition gamers suffer from. We need a name for it. Edition Relapse? Game Mechanic Memory Disorder?
The ironic thing about these nostalgic moments is that it was much easier to create a workable adversary in less than 5 minutes statwise. This kind of simplicity is something I sometimes wish to go back to.
I've got a player that just recently rejoined our group. She's playing a rogue, and keeps using the term "backstab" instead of "sneak attack." I'm still not sure why, since we were in 3.5 when she stopped playing.Maybe this is an actual condition gamers suffer from. We need a name for it. Edition Relapse? Game Mechanic Memory Disorder?
I STILL do that. Never got the hang of calling it sneak attack.
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I dunno about that. I have Players ask me about Backstab and thac0 all the time because they cut their teeth on the Baldur's Gate video games. So maybe the code isn't as tight as you'd think lol.
(It was Baldur's Gate where I first learned about D&D, but I learned to play Pen and Paper with 3.0 way back when, saved for 3 months for those rulebooks).
I've been reminicing about 1st and 2nd ed recently, telling my friend about my characters and how things used to be different. He was astonished that there were race/class restrictions, and that demihumans could only reach a certain level.
He still doesn't understand Thac0.
My problem is ability scores. 9 times out of 10 I'll write them down in this order:
STR
INT
WIS
DEX
CON
CHAMike
I still do that all the time too, heck I caught myself rolling exceptional strength for a guy the other night and stopped, not because I realized I was creating stats first ed style, but because I recalled thieves don't get exceptional strength....
My problem is ability scores. 9 times out of 10 I'll write them down in this order:
STR
INT
WIS
DEX
CON
CHAMike
I downloaded a 3.5 sheet a few days ago from The Mad Irishman. It was made to look like the old school 1st edition sheets, including the ability score order. I showed it to that same player that was astonished at race/class restrictions and racial max levels, as well as the same player that doesn't understand Thac0, and he (again) was like "WHAA?!"
This thread SO makes me wanna play a 1st edition game again!
My Rogues still "Back Stab"
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At least your lapse didn't go long enough for you to start calculating his THAC0...Never would have ... I was in full 1st Edition mindset. PHB, UA and all.
UA was ~1.5e and the beginning of the production of crap. Why would you mention it in the same sentence as the true master work of the 1e PHB?
Dissapointed in you...
S.
PS: THAC0 was 2e, the glorious Gygax in his trilogy of perfection mentioned it not.
PS: THAC0 was 2e, the glorious Gygax in his trilogy of perfection mentioned it not.THAC0 was listed in the first edition DMG.
Nope. Those were "To Hit" tables. It wasn't based around Armor Class 0, it was just a huge set of tables.
Ended up working pretty much the same, but not actually the same thing.
I still play a MU....
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Ahhh back in the days of yore when you could be an Assassin at level 1, when the Bard was THE prestidge class, when the Druid had the potential for most spells at first level !
It was the time we played mods that were penned by a man named Gygax and we lost arms to a demon's mouth, when Slavers gave way to Giants who in turn were led by dark skinned elves who we Loath to this day. And the only 'masterwork' items to be found were the games we played or the nickname for the pizza we ordered.
1st Ed was when, armed with your 3-18 damage (L) dealing two handed sword you could count on Magic Users named Bigby on lending you a (Crushing) Hand just as you knew his casting Haste would age you a year, but you needed it to take on the toughest Red Dragon that came charging in with 88 hit points !
Luvin this thread !
Orcs looked piggy...
Dwarves had Antipathy for Elves...
Weapon Speeds...
15 Dice Fireballs...
Save v Death...
18:00 Strength...
The only magical leather was +1...
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15 Dice Fireballs...
30 Dice Fireballs even !!
That's what the Witch King in 'Throne of Bloodstone' was packing.
Even in the early Drow series there was a Lich that packed 20 die fireballs just 'hanging out'.
Don't forget the Magic Missles !
A level 17 MU could slam you with 9 missles !!
Bonus points if you remember which demon lord had Magic Missles that did 2-8 damage each !
15 Dice Fireballs...30 Dice Fireballs even !!
That's what the Witch King in 'Throne of Bloodstone' was packing.
Even in the early Drow series there was a Lich that packed 20 die fireballs just 'hanging out'.
Don't forget the Magic Missles !
A level 17 MU could slam you with 9 missles !!
Bonus points if you remember which demon lord had Magic Missles that did 2-8 damage each !
Hmmm...There weren't that many...Guessing...Jubilix!
Probably to oozey...
I ran a Star Wars campaign with 1e. If Clerics do not scream Jedi, I do not know what does.
15 Dice Fireballs...Bonus points if you remember which demon lord had Magic Missles that did 2-8 damage each !Hmmm...There weren't that many...Guessing...Jubilix!
Probably to oozey...
Yenouguh or whatever!
I had to dig out my old MM for that!
Really ? I was thinking Paladin myself.
What's a Paladin?
My problem is ability scores. 9 times out of 10 I'll write them down in this order:
STR
INT
WIS
DEX
CON
CHAMike
I still do that all the time.
I am confusing Basic/Expert with 1e.
Once upon a time, all poison was save or die...well, except for drow poison, but that was so they could put you to sleep and drag you home to put on Lolth's altar. (Oh, and giant centipede poison, which just weakened you.)
I was talking with one of my players yesterday, and discussing a recent wizard opponent they had bested. I kept calling him a mage, and after about 5 minutes, my player stopped me and was like "So, was Mage his name or something?"
The worst part is I didn't get why he was asking that question, it just seemed common sense to me.
After I explained that a mage is a "universalist wizard" he got this "umm.... okay......" look on his face. I really need to get a 2nd ed PHB, just so I can show him.
I played one 2E game before the 3E launch the next week, when we all bought a PHB and the rest is history. I haven't had the inclination to try and find out why it was never attack bonus in the first place.