Jboygold wrote: Ok color only, I can do that :)
Mage Armor - Wizard looking guy in awesome cloak. --I'm not sure this is "armory" enough looking for you, but its the closest I have seen so far and does look awesome.
I think I'll use this for magic vestment over the current image I've selected.
Jboygold wrote:
Mage's Sword - Woman with wicked looking sword -- This one is not an exact match for the spell but it is a nice picture so I thought I'd get your thoughts.
I was hoping for an actual flying sword. There has to be some flying scimitar/sword picture out there, but I haven't been able to find anything either. I'll save this picture though, since it'll get used eventually.
Jboygold wrote:
Magic Stone - Woman who looks likes she is casting magic on some rocks in a basket
Yep, using this for Magic Stone.
Jboygold wrote: Mage's Lucubration - Woman with glowing hand/head Perfect
Jboygold wrote: Woman with magic sphere -- This one may not be colorful enough, but it looks neat. I was thinking it would work for Dispel Chaos, or maybe one of the more abstract ones like Spell Resistance or Spell Immunity. I don't think it fits any of the remaining images, so I'm going to save it for later. This could be perfect for some future orb type spell.
Again, thanks for all the hard work.
At sanityfair's advice trying a slightly different set of fonts, that should hopefully make the cards a bit more readable when printed. I'd like to hear what people think
Inflict Light Wounds, Mass (new format)
Inflict Light Wounds, Mass (previous format)
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I think that the new font is definately better...
Im partial to the old format myself.
I've drafted a third option. What do people think? Which font do you prefer?
Version 3
Remember, I am mostly worried as to how these cards will look when printed. Different monitors will display the cards in slightly different ways.
Hey Cad,
I've been following this thread for a long time. As you know I am a big fan of this project, and the idea in general.
Are you open to usability ideas, or do you plan to continue modifications that could help the user?
As an observation the v,s,m,df etc. are promoted to a visual level of importance, along with the school - as listed under the spell name. The spell level and class is demoted to the bottom.
Let's say I am a game master, I would like to arrange these "decks" such that the class and level are easily viewable from the top, as are the PAIZO cards, such as a weapon card. A quick leaf through and I can see whether cards are wands or potions etc. The current format isn't as functional as it could be.
I am very pleased you are working on this project. I hope you will take this feedback in the context of appreciation, and support.
Thanks,
Pax
P.s. One additional element is the tendency for the spell name to being in an area typically darker than the area the name ends with. For best readability and utility, please consider spell names kept in a clean, crisp, readable area, especially where alphabetization of the first letter(s) may be needed.
Pax Veritas wrote: Hey Cad,
I've been following this thread for a long time. As you know I am a big fan of this project, and the idea in general.
Are you open to usability ideas, or do you plan to continue modifications that could help the user?
As an observation the v,s,m,df etc. are promoted to a visual level of importance, along with the school - as listed under the spell name. The spell level and class is demoted to the bottom.
Let's say I am a game master, I would like to arrange these "decks" such that the class and level are easily viewable from the top, as are the PAIZO cards, such as a weapon card. A quick leaf through and I can see whether cards are wands or potions etc. The current format isn't as functional as it could be.
I am very pleased you are working on this project. I hope you will take this feedback in the context of appreciation, and support.
Thanks,
Pax
P.s. One additional element is the tendency for the spell name to being in an area typically darker than the area the name ends with. For best readability and utility, please consider spell names kept in a clean, crisp, readable area, especially where alphabetization of the first letter(s) may be needed.
Thanks for the feedback.
First of all, are you suggesting that the V, SM, M, F, DF visual cues are not as useful as some of the other features and that something else should replace them? I had highlighted those elements of casting a spell, since in my experience it is not uncommon to encounter a situation where certain components are impossible or difficult to fulfill (silence for verbal, grapple for somatic, stolen holy symbol for DF, etc). Having a quick reference as to what is needed for each spells components seemed to be a useful thing to highlight. If you have some alternate suggestions for what should go here instead, please speak up and make your case.
As to the class/level information/spell information, let me explain my reasoning for doing the layout the way it has been done.
When I look at a spell, the feature that is going to be the most consistent and static between all the classes that can cast the spell is the Name and School (Sub-school) [type]. Since these are static and the amount of space they require are not going to change, I'm fairly confident in placing them at the top of the spell.
More variable are the classes able to cast the spell and the level at which they gain the spell. I could place this at the top of the spell, but I would need to leave a decent amount of space to add any new classes that may have the spell added to their spell lists. I actually tried a mock-up with that layout and it ends up leaving a big chunk of empty space a fair portion of the time. This information is still important, so I wanted to put it near the outside edge of the cards, hence the bottom where the extra blank space needed for possible expansion of the list is less problematic.
The other reason I slightly de-emphasized the classes/level is that my idea for how these cards will be used, is for players to use them as game aids to know what spells they have memorized for that day and what they can cast. The players typically know what spells they can use for their class, and so a bit of information telling them that again is not as important as some of the mechanics of how the spell will interact with the game (components, school, sub-school, type). I suppose if these cards were being used as loot item cards like the weapon cards, I could see placing higher prominence on who can use the spell. My goal, was to provide nice looking cheat sheets for players dealing with all of the complex spell game mechanics.
However, that all said, I am still willing to make some changes here provided a good alternate can be presented and a strong case made.
As to readability, I'm going through a bit of a tidy up to take care of those issues. I will be adding a similar partially transparent layer similar to the spell text background on the title block so the spell name and school information is readable. I'm also going to be playing around a bit more with the spell text background transparency layer to make sure the spell text is consistently readable.
What do you think of the fonts that have been selected? I've had fairly positive feedback on the Arial font used for the spell text, but mixed response on the Trajan Pro font used for the spell name, school and level information.
I'm currently in the process of making fiddly changes to almost 600 cards. To tide people over, I'll post one of the proposed designs for the backs of the spell cards (2.5x3.75" size cards), expertly created by sanityfair.
2.5x3.75" Card Back
I think these look pretty nice.
Caedwyr wrote: I'm currently in the process of making fiddly changes to almost 600 cards. To tide people over, I'll post one of the proposed designs for the backs of the spell cards (2.5x3.75" size cards), expertly created by sanityfair.
2.5x3.75" Card Back
I think these look pretty nice.
They look great. I like the different symbols, for the schools of magic, right?
Correct. Symbols match the colours I've chosen for the spell schools, and the opposing schools (according to the Sin Magic article in Burnt Offerings) are even opposite each other in the wheel.
On another note, I am going through and editing a number of previously made spell cards and would like some feedback on a possible change.
Currently, in the spell text I have been bolding conditions, Primary Ability Scores, Feats, Saves, and Skills.
I have been italicizing spell names, section labels, and magic item names.
Are there any other common categories things one finds in the spell text that it would be useful have italicized or bolded when reading a spell card.
Also, should Feats be italicized instead of bolding?
I'm trying to track down the names of the artists who created some of the public domain artwork I am currently using.
Animal Messenger
If anyone knows who created this piece of art, please let me know so I can give credit.
Hi Caedwyr,
first of all I want to say how impressed i´am with this
project. You´ve found some images which perfectly fit. I think these Spell Cards are very usefull especially for players who are new to the game.
I wanted to ask you if it´s ok for you if me and
my gaming Group translates these Cards into german?? We
would use them just at our table and not for commercial
purposes. Which program did you use to create the cards?
Kind Regards
Marc
p.s. I should have used a nickname on
registration
Marc Dennis Sprenger wrote: Hi Caedwyr,
first of all I want to say how impressed i´am with this
project. You´ve found some images which perfectly fit. I think these Spell Cards are very usefull especially for players who are new to the game.
I wanted to ask you if it´s ok for you if me and
my gaming Group translates these Cards into german?? We
would use them just at our table and not for commercial
purposes. Which program did you use to create the cards?
Kind Regards
Marc
p.s. I should have used a nickname on
registration
Even if I was selling these cards (and I cannot), there'd be nothing I could do to prevent you from translating them to German and using them at your table. In other words, go right ahead.
I used Photoshop to create the cards, working from templates for each of the spell schools and card sizes.
I know you could not prevent us from translating
your work because this falls under OGL right?
Nevertheless i wanted to ask you first because
i hoped for a positive answer. Would it be possible
that you send me the Photoshop files via email or
upload them? That would help me because i´am not
very into photoshop. I could also easily wait till
you have finished all cards.
Sorry if my english is bad, haven´t used it alot
since school :)
Marc Dennis Sprenger wrote: I know you could not prevent us from translating
your work because this falls under OGL right?
Nevertheless i wanted to ask you first because
i hoped for a positive answer. Would it be possible
that you send me the Photoshop files via email or
upload them? That would help me because i´am not
very into photoshop. I could also easily wait till
you have finished all cards.
Sorry if my english is bad, haven´t used it alot
since school :)
Send me an email to my gmail account using my username on these boards.
Things got busy at work so I haven't been able to post in awhile.
I really like the back of the cards. Do you know of any way to print more than 1 card at a time and be able to get the card front and backs to line up on a single sheet of paper? I have gotten it to work with a single card that is right in the middle, but I plan to print several out and then laminate them, so 1 card per sheet is gonna use a ton of paper.
Here's a few new ones. See what you think of these.
Mending - Girl sewing or making something
Inflict Moderate Wounds, Mass - Bunch of people being killed
Heal - Guy with several people attending him
Astral Projection - Ghost form beside woman
Contingency - Desk of a guy who looks like he is ready for anything. This one is a bit of a stretch, but i figured contingency is gonna be hard sense its so abstract. Your call.
Here's a few more that I thought might be useful but I have no exact matches for.
Glowing man and woman Maybe this could be Mage Armor or Dispel Chaos? Its a dark image so i don't know if text will show up ok.
Girl with ornate chalice. Grease maybe, or she could be just casting some sort of spell with liquid components. If you can find a place for it, great.
Jboygold wrote: Things got busy at work so I haven't been able to post in awhile.
I really like the back of the cards. Do you know of any way to print more than 1 card at a time and be able to get the card front and backs to line up on a single sheet of paper? I have gotten it to work with a single card that is right in the middle, but I plan to print several out and then laminate them, so 1 card per sheet is gonna use a ton of paper.
Here are a couple of rough drafts of what the final product will look like
A selection of the first cards, fronts
The backs of the cards
These will be compiled in .pdf format with selectable text (I'm pretty sure I can get that working) with one or two pdfs per class.
Jboygold wrote:
Here's a few new ones. See what you think of these.
Mending - Girl sewing or making something
Already in use for Fabricate. You'll note that Mending is highlighted in yellow. I've already got a good image for that spell. Thanks though.
Jboygold wrote:
Inflict Moderate Wounds, Mass - Bunch of people being killed
I think that'll work. I need to check my selection of offline artwork to make sure I don't have something a little more magical looking, but this may work.
Jboygold wrote:
Heal - Guy with several people attending him
Yay! Moobs!.. err this may work. I'll take a look through what I have, but this seems like something that could plausibly work.
Jboygold wrote:
Astral Projection - Ghost form beside woman
Nice, and it is in landscape as well. Good find.
Jboygold wrote:
Contingency - Desk of a guy who looks like he is ready for anything. This one is a bit of a stretch, but i figured contingency is gonna be hard sense its so abstract. Your call.
I've got a really good one for contingency already (highlighted in yellow). I might end up using this for another spell at a later time though. Thanks.
Jboygold wrote:
Here's a few more that I thought might be useful but I have no exact matches for.
Glowing man and woman Maybe this could be Mage Armor or Dispel Chaos? Its a dark image so i don't know if text will show up ok.
I think I'm going to use this one for death ward (eg. protected by angels, no harm could touch Mary and Joseph). Good find
Jboygold wrote:
Girl with ornate chalice. Grease maybe, or she could be just casting some sort of spell with liquid components. If you can find a place for it, great.
I don't think I'll use this for a spell from the initial PRD, but may use it for a later one. It'd probably be great for some sort of blood magic type necromancy spell.
Caedwyr wrote: Here are a couple of rough drafts of what the final product will look like
A selection of the first cards, fronts
The backs of the cards
These will be compiled in .pdf format with selectable text (I'm pretty sure I can get that working) with one or two pdfs per class.
These are turning out really nicely. Can you show them the wide cards back as well? hope you guys like the design for the back of the cards.
sanityfair wrote: Caedwyr wrote: Here are a couple of rough drafts of what the final product will look like
A selection of the first cards, fronts
The backs of the cards
These will be compiled in .pdf format with selectable text (I'm pretty sure I can get that working) with one or two pdfs per class.
These are turning out really nicely. Can you show them the wide cards back as well? hope you guys like the design for the back of the cards. I'll post a sample print layout for the wide cards when I get home tonight.
sanityfair wrote:
These are turning out really nicely. Can you show them the wide cards back as well? hope you guys like the design for the back of the cards. Large Card Back Layout
I was satisfied with your explanations Cad, and appreciative of the time it took to respond to my questions.
For that reason, and the due to the high quality of what I am seeing, my excitement about this project has increased, and your work has turned out better than expected.
A few questions remain as I'd like to know if the answers are still the same as before:
> Will there be a print friendly version for some to use? This does not matter to me, as I seek the highest resolution possible, and would plan to have them professionally printed for my game table. Yet, I know this is very important to many other gamers... just curious.
> As you are not charging for these... are you doing this as a suporter of Pathfinder RPG? Are you simply a kind, sharing, fan? If so, thank you so much for advancing the open game movement!
> What would be the best "one" that I could print, cut, test at the table? The link you provided to the current layout is great, but I'd like to see it close up, and ideally printed to check print quality if possible.
No rush to answering these. Please keep up the great, and commendable work, Caedwyr!
Regards again,
-Pax
Edit: P.s. Will the cards be checked to include any updates/corrections to eratta made in the Second Printing of Pathfinder RPG?
Pax Veritas wrote: I was satisfied with your explanations Cad, and appreciative of the time it took to respond to my questions.
For that reason, and the due to the high quality of what I am seeing, my excitement about this project has increased, and your work has turned out better than expected.
A few questions remain as I'd like to know if the answers are still the same as before:
> Will there be a print friendly version for some to use? This does not matter to me, as I seek the highest resolution possible, and would plan to have them professionally printed for my game table. Yet, I know this is very important to many other gamers... just curious.
As there seems to be a demand for print friendly versions, I'll probably release a selection with the background images turned off.
Pax Veritas wrote:
> As you are not charging for these... are you doing this as a suporter of Pathfinder RPG? Are you simply a kind, sharing, fan? If so, thank you so much for advancing the open game movement!
I made these for my own use and thought others would be interested. They are intended to speed up play at the table and to help make playing a caster much more beginner friendly.
Pax Veritas wrote:
> What would be the best "one" that I could print, cut, test at the table? The link you provided to the current layout is great, but I'd like to see it close up, and ideally printed to check print quality if possible.
I'll see about uploading a sample page of finalized cards that should match what the final product will appear as. I'll appreciate any feedback you can give on how well they print/how usable they are.
Pax Veritas wrote:
No rush to answering these. Please keep up the great, and commendable work, Caedwyr!
Regards again,
-Pax
Thanks for the kind words and feedback.
Pax Veritas wrote:
Edit: P.s. Will the cards be checked to include any updates/corrections to eratta made in the Second Printing of Pathfinder RPG?
I've been obtaining the text from the PRD, which includes the errata from the Second Printing. I've been checking the cards over as well, but I appreciate second sets of eyes in finding errors.
I've also been posting combined spell text for some spells over at this thread for spells that reference other spells. Since the text removes references to other spells and includes that information in the actual text as much as possible within the space constraints the new wording may result in unintended changes. I'd appreciate additional sets of eyes taking a look to make sure I haven't changed any meanings or left something out.
As promised, here are samples of the final product formatted for printing on landscape 8.5x11" (Letter size)
Card Backs for printing
Some spells that start with the letter A
The text is selectable and editable using "touch-up text" for those with .pdf viewers/editors capable of doing so.
Note that google docs appears to have added a strange texture to the images when viewed online. Download the .pdfs to your harddrive to see them in their full glry.
I posted this over at another forum. It has a bit more information than my previous post here.
Me wrote: I've slowly been tracking down the last 50-100 pieces of artwork out of the total ~625ish spells in the SRD, confirming image use rights and licensing details, and reformatting the majority of the existing card layouts to the final format. I also have created several templates and figured out what the final deliverable product will consist of and how to create it the most easily.
So, I present to you a few samples. You will want to download them to view the images at the highest quality. When viewed via google docs, the image is slightly downgraded.
8 Card sheet, images included
8 Card sheet, no images
8 Card sheet, card backs
Large 2 Card Sheet, images included
Large 2 Card Sheet, no images
Large 2 Card Sheet, card backs
Note that the text is all selectable, and if the viewer has "touch-up text" capabilities, editable as well.
If there is an interest, I can also provide larger sized versions formatted for printing (4x6" and 8x6") respectively, since the current card sizes will scale proportionally.
Larger sizes, man do I see a special Wizards Spell Book in the furture
Great job, keep up the good work !!
It's been a while now. Are you all right? How are you doing with the cards?
I've been working my way through all the cards I had previously made and updating them with the new font sets, double-checking text, and making sure all the artwork credits are compiled. I'm at the H's right now.
Have you found images for every spell now or are there still some to look for?
Jboygold wrote: Have you found images for every spell now or are there still some to look for? Here is the link for the spells still needing artwork. There will probably be a few more cards added back to this list as well (Anything by Jos van Wuunik) since I messed up and a few of the images Creative Commons license did not allow for remixing.
Also, thanks for all the help earlier. What name would you like to be credited for your assistance under?
Just bumping this thread to show there's still interest in the project. It's a massive undertaking but once complete these cards'll have a home in my games for sure.
Zo
Yeah, I've been doing the same, just with 3.5 spells, and no fancy pictures. :) I surely hope this is still on track!
I just got back from a 3 week vacation, and I did some work on this today. I am still on track to have the spells for the Core Rulebook released prior to GenCon.
Fantastic !!!!!!!!!!!!
Can hardly wait, the rest of my gaming group are impatiently waiting with me.
Great work.
Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber
Amazing work!
I'm impressed at the perseverance and quality of the work you're putting out for the rest of us Pathfinders Caedwyr. Let me extend my thanks as a GM and the thanks for my group's wizard!!
Hey caedwyr, you still working on these?
sanityfair wrote: Hey caedwyr, you still working on these? Yep, I'm working my way through the cards and choosing artwork. I still need 25 more images to finish off the entire spell list. The remaining images needed are the following:
Acid Fog
Alarm
Animate Rope
Arcane Eye
Color Spray
Dispel Magic
Flame Arrow
Grease
Heal
Ironwood
Knock
Mage Hand
Minor Image
Open/Close
Prismatic Wall
Repel Metal or Stone
Rusting Grasp
Sculpt Sound
Shrink Item
Spell Resistance
Symbol of Pain
Symbol of Sleep
Symbol of Weakness
Wind Wall
My goal is to finish up the cards and release them within 3-4 weeks. The cards are almost done.
It's been a while, Caedwyr. How's your project doing?
Entropi wrote: It's been a while, Caedwyr. How's your project doing? Work is continuing. I didn't have as much time as I was hoping over the last few weeks. I'm currently in the Sh section of the list. I also still need pictures for the following cards:
Acid Fog
Animate Rope
Arcane Eye
Dispel Magic
Flame Arrow
Grease
Ironwood
Repel Metal or Stone
Rusting Grasp
Sculpt Sound
Shrink Item
Spell Resistance
Symbol of Sleep
Symbol of Weakness
Wind Wall
I'm down to my last few cards. The spells I still need images for are the following:
Animate Rope
Dispel Magic
Flame Arrow
Ironwood
Repel Metal or Stone
Rusting Grasp
Shrink Item
Spell Resistance
Symbol of Sleep
Symbol of Weakness
The finished bard spell package should be released tonight.
The Bard Spell Cards Core Rulebook Set can be downloaded at http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ by going to the downloads section and clicking on the "Bard Core Rulebook Spell Cards - Basic Set" file.
Additional sets will be made available in the next few days/weeks, and I will likely provide a double-size format to provide a large-print version.
I can't tell how impressed I am by this massive project of yours.
The Paladin spell cards are now up.
Cleric spell cards are now up and thoroughly bookmarked/hyperlinked. I will go back and properly hyperlink the Bard and Paladin spell sets at a later date, probably once I have all of the other class basic sets up (but not the large print versions)
I cannot find the Cleric list. It is not in the same place as the Bard and Paladin Spell Listings.
It appears I hit the file size limit. I am uploading a .rar file broken into sections which should be downloadable.
Cleric Spell cards are available as a 3 part .rar file. Druid cards are up on the site as a single .pdf.
The following Core Rulebook Spell Card sets are now available at D20PFSRD and are fully bookmarked and internal hyperlinked.
Cleric
Druid
Paladin
The Bard spell cards are also available, however, several pages of cards have minor layout issues which would prevent them from lining up cleanly with the set of 8 spell card backs when printed. Unless there is an urgent call for the Bard cards to be corrected, I will probably get to them after doing Ranger, Sorcerer, and Wizard cards.
Caedwyr wrote: The following Core Rulebook Spell Card sets are now available at D20PFSRD and are fully bookmarked and internal hyperlinked.
Cleric
Druid
Paladin
The Bard spell cards are also available, however, several pages of cards have minor layout issues which would prevent them from lining up cleanly with the set of 8 spell card backs when printed. Unless there is an urgent call for the Bard cards to be corrected, I will probably get to them after doing Ranger, Sorcerer, and Wizard cards.
Ranger Spell Cards are now available. Fixed Bard cards will be next and then Sorcerer and Wizard.
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