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Oka I was participating in the Beta test of D&D On-Line for a while. I dropped it because it was eatting up too much of my time. :) However, before I stopped I witnessed a chat exchange between two of the other testers. One of them commented "This game is boring. It's nothing like WoW." The other one replied "Well what do you expect from an rpg based on Magic the Gathering." If I could have reached through the interweb andstrangled them both right then and there, I would be posting this from prison instead of my kitchen.
Jeez, WoW is considered exciting?
The childrens' expectations for "excitement" must be pretty pathetic these days ...
Blockbuster is a source of endless amusement, which is why I now have Netflix instead ;)
Poster of a Donald Sutherland movie on the wall. Kid in front of me in line, with total scorn in his voice: "Donald Sutherland?! What is that supposed to be, like, Kieffer's dad or something?"
Me, to kid behind the counter: "You have no Charles Bronson movies here!"
Kid behind the counter: "What?! My grandmother likes that guy!"
Oka I was participating in the Beta test of D&D On-Line for a while. I dropped it because it was eatting up too much of my time. :) However, before I stopped I witnessed a chat exchange between two of the other testers. One of them commented "This game is boring. It's nothing like WoW." The other one replied "Well what do you expect from an rpg based on Magic the Gathering." If I could have reached through the interweb andstrangled them both right then and there, I would be posting this from prison instead of my kitchen.
No court in the land would convict you, trust me.
Blockbuster is a source of endless amusement, which is why I now have Netflix instead ;)
Poster of a Donald Sutherland movie on the wall. Kid in front of me in line, with total scorn in his voice: "Donald Sutherland?! What is that supposed to be, like, Kieffer's dad or something?"
Me, to kid behind the counter: "You have no Charles Bronson movies here!"
Kid behind the counter: "What?! My grandmother likes that guy!"
Many years ago in a video store
Me: Do you have "Lawrence of Arabia"?
Girl behind desk: "Lawrence what? Never heard that title!"
Me: *leaves*
Stefan
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Oka I was participating in the Beta test of D&D On-Line for a while. I dropped it because it was eatting up too much of my time. :) However, before I stopped I witnessed a chat exchange between two of the other testers. One of them commented "This game is boring. It's nothing like WoW." The other one replied "Well what do you expect from an rpg based on Magic the Gathering." If I could have reached through the interweb andstrangled them both right then and there, I would be posting this from prison instead of my kitchen.No court in the land would convict you, trust me.
Especially if a jury of my peers meant I got twelve grognards on the panel :)
Play Rock Band with your teenagers and be amazed when they stare at you for knowing the words to the songs.
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To be fair I love WoW it is only second to my D&D and thats because I still can't get my group back together. WoW only gets exciting for me in high end raiding when you have 24 other people raiding end game content working together. But like I said it's still second to D&D.
I had enough interest in it to buy the pen and paper d20 version of WoW. do pull ideas out of it now and then. Mostly I don't have time for MMORGs because I would get addicted if I did play them. My wife already says I soend to mucgh time on the computer.
Play Rock Band with your teenagers and be amazed when they stare at you for knowing the words to the songs.Be even more amazed when they discover that songs have words.
Words? You mean Lyrics? I mean, aren't those words that they scream into the mike? Early metal is so different from today's metal. Let alone songs with lyrics. I'm so old....
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To be fair I love WoW it is only second to my D&D and thats because I still can't get my group back together. WoW only gets exciting for me in high end raiding when you have 24 other people raiding end game content working together. But like I said it's still second to D&D.I had enough interest in it to buy the pen and paper d20 version of WoW. do pull ideas out of it now and then. Mostly I don't have time for MMORGs because I would get addicted if I did play them. My wife already says I soend to mucgh time on the computer.
Yeah I am addicted I raid for 4 hours every night I have ventrillo going so we are talking to each other live and plowing through a super hard dungeon. Unfortunately with WoW you don't get to experience this type of dynamic without raiding at max level so it'll always come in second, plus it never changes in dungeon, as in the monsters do not adapt, players can monsters can't. So it's not perfect but it's as close to playing D&D I'll get without a group.
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I could have reached through the interweb andstrangled them both right then and there, I would be posting this from prison instead of my kitchen.
I just want you to know that if you ever discover, invent, or otherwise obtain access to such interweb strangling technology, I would pay handsomely for it.
Sometimes I play Zevon on the radio. Kids come over and say, "Who's that? He, like, totally sampled Kid Rock."
I used to have a phonograph record player in my classroom. Kids would gather around it and try to figure out what it was. There was always some worldly kid who would say, "Y'all stupid! It's a instrument. It goes 'wahah-whaha!'" I finally broke down and played it for them; they kept looking at it, trying to figure out where the laser was.
It's simple. More beatings.
And Lawrence of Arabia? Possibly the best film ever.
Luckily, I did not have to beat my kid. I just put LoA on the VCR and a set of dice on the table, and she turned out just fine. Well, she's still a bit of a WarCrackhead, but otherwise, she turned out just fine. Actually, she doesn't call as often as she should, and she hasn't posted here in months....hmm...beatings...
Now, her boyfriend STOLE my Crimson Throne campaign. So that boy definitely needs beatings. Maybe I'll buy him a bus ticket to Dallas...
Mostly I don't have time for MMORGs because I would get addicted if I did play them. My wife already says I soend to mucgh time on the computer.
I know that tune... I keep away from MMORGs precisely for that reason.
Totally OT:
Words? You mean Lyrics? I mean, aren't those words that they scream into the mike? Early metal is so different from today's metal. Let alone songs with lyrics. I'm so old....Play Rock Band with your teenagers and be amazed when they stare at you for knowing the words to the songs.Be even more amazed when they discover that songs have words.
Lyrics? Like, say, Iron Maiden had? Or Deep Purple? Or Black Sabbath?
Maiden have a special place in my heart for making a metal song of Coleridges Rime of the Ancient Mariner - just great.Stefan
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Sometimes I play Zevon on the radio. Kids come over and say, "Who's that? He, like, totally sampled Kid Rock."
I used to have a phonograph record player in my classroom. Kids would gather around it and try to figure out what it was. There was always some worldly kid who would say, "Y'all stupid! It's a instrument. It goes 'wahah-whaha!'" I finally broke down and played it for them; they kept looking at it, trying to figure out where the laser was.
It reminds me of the story I heard from a fellow geography teacher. She was teaching about national parks and said "Did you know that Utah hs five national parks It's the most in any one state." One of her studets responded "Well which state is Utah in?"
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Sometimes I play Zevon on the radio. Kids come over and say, "Who's that? He, like, totally sampled Kid Rock."
I used to have a phonograph record player in my classroom. Kids would gather around it and try to figure out what it was. There was always some worldly kid who would say, "Y'all stupid! It's a instrument. It goes 'wahah-whaha!'" I finally broke down and played it for them; they kept looking at it, trying to figure out where the laser was.
It reminds me of the story I heard from a fellow geography teacher. She was teaching about national parks and said "Did you know that Utah hs five national parks It's the most in any one state." One of her studets responded "Well which state is Utah in?"
** spoiler omitted **
As long as we are totally off topic - when I was a kid I became a geography whiz because, for some inexplicable reason, I found it great fun to take typing paper and trace pages out of my big full-color Atlas. Now so many geography questions just seem like they should be common knowledge to me and it always catches me off guard when people have no idea.
Edit: On reflection, I wonder if D&D had anything to do with it. All those maps at the time probably seemed like they would make great campaign worlds...
It reminds me of the story I heard from a fellow geography teacher. She was teaching about national parks and said "Did you know that Utah hs five national parks It's the most in any one state." One of her studets responded "Well which state is Utah in?"
** spoiler omitted **
I live in Utah and I think that was a valid question....
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I live in Utah and I think that was a valid question....It reminds me of the story I heard from a fellow geography teacher. She was teaching about national parks and said "Did you know that Utah hs five national parks It's the most in any one state." One of her studets responded "Well which state is Utah in?"
** spoiler omitted **
Well, other than the state of denial...:) Where in Utah do you live?
I live in Taiwan. Many Taiwanese and Chinese pop products do mangy cover versions of classic sixties and seventies songs. When I tell my students that their latest pop fix is older than I am, they shake their heads patiently, and insist that "NO teacher, this song from S.H.E"
Standout examples include:
Hotel california 'Totally by some twenty something kid from hsinchu!'
Take me home, country road.
Yesterday.
Careless whispers.
and my personal favourite, We will rock you.
I once asked a class of seniors what the most important thing to ever happen in history was.
S.A.R.S 'obviously'
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Totally OT:
Lyrics? Like, say, Iron Maiden had? Or Deep Purple? Or Black Sabbath?
Maiden have a special place in my heart for making a metal song of Coleridges Rime of the Ancient Mariner - just great.Stefan
Iron Maiden? Excellent!
Actually I've a soft spot for Iron Maiden, I learned or discovered so much from their albums. Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, Charge of the Light Brigade (The Trooper) Battle of Britain (Ace's High) Dune (To Tame a Land) Black Elk (Run to the Hills) The Prisoner, Alexander the Great, and that's just off the top of my head.
Then again, I've a plastic skull on my desk that I named 'Yorik' maybe half my coworkers get it.
It's not just kids today. Nineteen years ago I was working in Tower Records. I overheard two teenagers talking in one of the aisles:
Teen 1: "I can't believe the Beatles ripped off one of Tiffany's songs."
Teen 2: "I know, it's just sad..."
Me (in my head): "You have no idea how wrong what you just said is...on so many levels."
David, my guess is that those teens grew up and had kids of their own, who were the ones you overheard talking on DDO.
[Iron Maiden? Excellent!
Actually I've a soft spot for Iron Maiden, I learned or discovered so much from their albums. Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, Charge of the Light Brigade (The Trooper) Battle of Britain (Ace's High) Dune (To Tame a Land) Black Elk (Run to the Hills) The Prisoner, Alexander the Great, and that's just off the top of my head.
Then again, I've a plastic skull on my desk that I named 'Yorik' maybe half my coworkers get it.
Iron Maiden is probably my #1 band of all time. I saw them recently when they played up at Blosssoms @ Cuyahoga Falls. 'Arry's daughter was the opening act. I was too young in the mid 80's to see the Powerslave tour, so it was nice to hear some of the older classics simulating that tour.
My #2 has anything to do with Ronnie James Dio - the king of all that are dragons, rainbows, and evil women. Caught him last Saturday w/ Heaven & Hell (it may be traitorous for some, but I've enjoyed the RJD years of Sabbath over Ozzy) in Cleveland. Good times. Good times.
More than 20 years ago now (and I'm stunned to realize that!) I was working in a Crown Books. High School kid comes in, looking for a copy of Romeo and Juliet for class, and cannot find it.
I direct her to the section with plays and classic works. Her comment? "Oh, it's not new?" before she wanders over to find the book.
Much muttering and shaking of head from me and no help from my co-worker who is sitting on the floor behind the counter laughing. (We were both English majors!)
Girl comes back up with the book, and now asks, "This Shakespeare guy, he wrote a lot of books, huh?" I nod, ignoring co-worker who is rolling on the floor now, out of sight of clueless customer -- and out of kicking reach of me :)
Clincher? "So, he written anything new lately?"
Resisting urge to strangle, I tell her that no, he died some years ago, ring her up and get her out of the store before going after my co-worker for all his help :)
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It's not just kids today. Nineteen years ago I was working in Tower Records. I overheard two teenagers talking in one of the aisles:
Teen 1: "I can't believe the Beatles ripped off one of Tiffany's songs."
Teen 2: "I know, it's just sad..."
Me (in my head): "You have no idea how wrong what you just said is...on so many levels."
David, my guess is that those teens grew up and had kids of their own, who were the ones you overheard talking on DDO.
Yeah, I heard some kids remark that they really didn't like the Wizard of Oz because the one cool thing in it, going from black and white to color, had already been done in Pleasentville. Where is the beatstick when you need it?
Heh-heh. Run, Alan-Michael, run! Uncle Dave is reachin' for his beat stick.
;)
Hey, we aren't all bad...
Get off my lawn! ;)
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Social Rant:
The main problem with young people is that much of Western Civilization has become a demand society. In other words, the moment you want something, you can generally get it. The advent of the credit card, combined with working single parents, has made it all too possible for young people to get exactly what they want when they want it. There is little or no repercussion for wrongful acts, and often a poor relationship between parent and child, which does nothing for the general education of said children.
End Social Rant.
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The other one replied "Well what do you expect from an rpg based on Magic the Gathering."
That's the experience I had when I first learned the current edition. I remember reading Chris Pramas of Green Ronin making the comparison but had yet to learn Magic: The Gathering. Then I played my first M:tG game and thought, "wow, that's just like Magic."
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHHAHA
Stupid kids...
Yes, Magic the Gathering, from the Late 90s, was what D&D was based on...uh huh...
Actually, that makes sense if the younger generation has grown up knowing Magic:The Gathering only. It's just like most people thinking the current Jaguar is basing its front fascia on the old Ford Taurus when in fact the "curvy" Taurus is based on the original Jaguar.
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To be fair to the younger generation they didnt grow up with pen and paper like we did.
Exactly. There was an article about a kid who was given a Walkman in celebration of the product's 20th: you know, the kind that used a cassette. The kid, used to MP3, was baffled by it, finally saying he couldn't see how it held any decent amount of music.
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To be fair to the younger generation they didnt grow up with pen and paper like we did.Exactly. There was an article about a kid who was given a Walkman in celebration of the product's 20th: you know, the kind that used a cassette. The kid, used to MP3, was baffled by it, finally saying he couldn't see how it held any decent amount of music.
Yeah, I heard about that too. My own experience was at work when one of my co-workers, about 19, asked how much music I had on my laptop. I told him, at the time it was 4500 songs. He looks at me and says "you must not like music much."
Yeah, I heard about that too. My own experience was at work when one of my co-workers, about 19, asked how much music I had on my laptop. I told him, at the time it was 4500 songs. He looks at me and says "you must not like music much."
Did you ask him how much of his supposedly huge collection is legal?
Stefan
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Hey, we aren't all bad...
If Lilith is around, she may have some cookies for you... Welcome.
Back to the subject at hand... For covers of songs, and such, if someone is too young to have heard the original, it shouldn't be a surprise they don't know it exists. If they are obstinate, or insist that their version is the original, however, they need a beatstick.
I was probably in middle school or something when Whitney Houston came out with her "I Will Always Love You" cover, and I assumed that was the only version until my mother, an old-school country fan, set me straight on the Dolly Parton version. I assimilated this new information into my pop music knowledge and moved on. It's when they want to argue with you that there is a problem.
(FYI - I was never a Whitney Houston fan, but one didn't have to be to hear that song EVERYWHERE. I just don't want anyont to - you know - get the wrong idea.)
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Yeah, I heard about that too. My own experience was at work when one of my co-workers, about 19, asked how much music I had on my laptop. I told him, at the time it was 4500 songs. He looks at me and says "you must not like music much."Did you ask him how much of his supposedly huge collection is legal?
Stefan
No, but not all of mine is technically legal since I copied it from CDs that friends own.
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Hey, we aren't all bad...If Lilith is around, she may have some cookies for you... Welcome.
Back to the subject at hand... For covers of songs, and such, if someone is too young to have heard the original, it shouldn't be a surprise they don't know it exists. If they are obstinate, or insist that their version is the original, however, they need a beatstick.
I had a huge crush on Tiffany in junior high and I still knew she didn't originally write the song. Even more off topic, I saw her on a show called Hit Me Baby One More Time, where 80's and 90's pop stars performed their hits and covers of new songs and she is still hot.
It reminds me of the story I heard from a fellow geography teacher. She was teaching about national parks and said "Did you know that Utah hs five national parks It's the most in any one state." One of her studets responded "Well which state is Utah in?"
I can only name four of the five off the top of my head.
Did you forget Capitol Reef? Everyone forgets Capitol Reef, and it's one of my favorites.
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This is the problem with the digital age - older generations perceptions of time and space simply no longer apply (though perhaps they should).
Nobody really cares if you steal a candy bar from the corner store. Sure, it's illegal and you might get in trouble, but if it's not a pattern of behaviour it's not a big deal in the long run.
Now, go in and take EVERYTHING from same store and you have a problem. Especially when thanks to a magic box you can do it every day and never get caught. Now you do have a pattern.
Finally, you open up your own roadside stand and give people a map to your secret cache of candy bars. The map is free. Your stand is so popular that advertisers pay you money for the exposure.
Social Rant:
The main problem with young people is that much of Western Civilization has become a demand society. In other words, the moment you want something, you can generally get it. The advent of the credit card, combined with working single parents, has made it all too possible for young people to get exactly what they want when they want it. There is little or no repercussion for wrongful acts, and often a poor relationship between parent and child, which does nothing for the general education of said children.
End Social Rant.
Why is this a problem? Is it really so bad that we have it better than our parents did?
The other one replied "Well what do you expect from an rpg based on Magic the Gathering."That's the experience I had when I first learned the current edition. I remember reading Chris Pramas of Green Ronin making the comparison but had yet to learn Magic: The Gathering. Then I played my first M:tG game and thought, "wow, that's just like Magic."
I have no idea what you just said.