I think the writers are going to get rid of the stones soon, the stones are already shown to cut in and out (under certain circumstances) and cause memory swapping. I have a suspicion the stones are going to either stop working altogether or cause too much problems to be used so casually.
I agree, i think they are setting them up for something big, with the stones. Nothing makes dispare like yanking a stable lifeline away from you
Three things:
1. One point of verisimilitude that I'm glad they brought up in the last show: some of these people are going to have prescription medications that are going to run out pretty quick. Any thoughts as to what the bald military guy (whose name I don't remember) might have been taking meds for? Anti-depressants, maybe? I know not having those of you truly need them can put someone on edge.
2. I'm really surprised that, while Young called Rush on lying about finding an Icarus-type planet, he let Rush get away with the excuse of "I'm trying to encourage hope in the crew" and didn't bring up the real reason: if the crew thought that chair was going to give them a way home, Rush could use that to try and put enough pressure on Young to force him to put someone in it. It was a power play, pure and simple, and I can't believe that Young didn't pick up on that. Oh, and Rush is a coward; if he's that sure about the chair, let him get in it himself.
3. I'm glad Young got a chance to beat Telford to the ground; I was wanting to it myself. But I suppose that's the point, isn't it?
I agree, i think they are setting them up for something big, with the stones. Nothing makes dispare like yanking a stable lifeline away from you
I don't know, something's got to give with the constant "here's one more life/sanity threatening event" thing they've been doing up to this point. They're going to hit a point of diminishing emotional return from the audience if they keep it this constant. The stones may be out soon, but they're going to have to add something soon to improve things, even if only fractionally.
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I don't know, something's got to give with the constant "here's one more life/sanity threatening event" thing they've been doing up to this point. They're going to hit a point of diminishing emotional return from the audience if they keep it this constant. The stones may be out soon, but they're going to have to add something soon to improve things, even if only fractionally.
I don't know--people have been reading Warhammer novels for 20 years now...
I don't know--people have been reading Warhammer novels for 20 years now...
I don't know, something's got to give with the constant "here's one more life/sanity threatening event" thing they've been doing up to this point. They're going to hit a point of diminishing emotional return from the audience if they keep it this constant. The stones may be out soon, but they're going to have to add something soon to improve things, even if only fractionally.
LOL -- You've got me there, Andrew; maybe I'm just fatally optimistic.
I don't know, something's got to give with the constant "here's one more life/sanity threatening event" thing they've been doing up to this point. They're going to hit a point of diminishing emotional return from the audience if they keep it this constant.
Once upon a time I use to discuss certain TV shows with a co-worker, until one day I guess she was cranky or tired of watching the show and said... "WHATEVER, it ALWAYS works out in the end." It sucked the life out of the show and a few others, I do my best to ignore the statement, but it still haunts me.
I honestly wish I could apply the statement to REAL life and not just TV/Movies, that would be nice.
Going back to the time travel episode, I'm gonna go super-nerd here for a minute. In the past the wormhole would destablize for seconds, not hours. And the time it would throw you to shifted, so you had to have the timing down pat. They offered no explanation for why it was different this time.
Going back to the time travel episode, I'm gonna go super-nerd here for a minute. In the past the wormhole would destablize for seconds, not hours. And the time it would throw you to shifted, so you had to have the timing down pat. They offered no explanation for why it was different this time.
did not matter if the time shifted, 20 years 400 years really didnt matter
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The implications of Lieutenant Scott having flashbacks of Col. Telford's dinner with Mrs. Young are deep as well.
Between the flickering last week, the memory bleed, and the sudden switch-off this week, I think the transit stones are becoming unstable.
And the moral implications of having sex or starting a fight or getting blotto drunk with somebody else's body continue to elude our heroes.
Rush's error this episode, I think, was not letting Eli in on the false data. They set up the reasons for Rush's decisions well enough: Eli has shown a disinclination to lie ("Water") and seemed to have his own agenda at the beginning of the episode.
Nonetheless, ...
Ah.
Getting Eli to sit in the chair would be ideal. It wouldn't endanger Rush, and Eli is knowledgeable enough to sift through all that information.
The "bible" for the show paints Rush as "Machiavellian". What would Machiavelli do? Probably try to drive a rift between Col. Young and Eli.
The "bible" for the show paints Rush as "Machiavellian". What would Machiavelli do? Probably try to drive a rift between Col. Young and Eli.
Which Young has given Rush an opening for, having Eli "spy," "observe," whatever you want to call it, on the rest of the crew without their knowledge. Eli has already expressed his distaste for it; as has already been stated, Eli, with his personality, has a difficult time with prevarication.
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So Rush is back to his ruthlessness.
I wonder what the meds the guy ran out of are. It's my understanding that psychoactive drugs (ritalin, Wellbutrin, etc) people with those conditions aren't normally taken. Any of our current/former servicemen want to correct me?
Yes, I cheered when Telford got pummled.
I think the stones have to be unstable. If for no other reason, the Ancient device was huge, this one fits in a briefcase? I understand that the SGC has access to asgard tech (BTW, it would be nice to show some of this tech making its way into the stargate world. I mean, Naquada power plants anyone? Solving the Iran nukes problem by beaming the centerfuges into orbit?) but still...
Though I think we are seeing that Young is better at manipulating the environment than Rush.
Also who was the couple in bed at the end?
I believe it was the female scientist you occasionally see and Greer. That is why during the psych interview she said she had made some "good" friends while here.
Yeah, the guy was Greer. At first I thought the girl was Chloe, but now I think you are right about it being the scientist. Ming Na's girlfriend is hot, no wonder she is so desperate to get back to Earth.
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Yeah, the guy was Greer. At first I thought the girl was Chloe, but now I think you are right about it being the scientist. Ming Na's girlfriend is hot, no wonder she is so desperate to get back to Earth.
Ok, I didn't think it was Chloe (yes, give me another reason to hate her!) so the clarification was nice.
Also we now know they didn't get food on the planet of the slugs.
this week
Ok who else sees rush coming back with aliens or something at somepoint?maybe even catching up with the ship in the other crashed ship or jumping from gate to gate to get ahead of the ship. After all he has seen the coarse of the ship
I for one am totally disappointed in this show in general. First no alien presence, that for me is a big part of the allure of sci fi. Secondly, this show for its first season is DRY DRY DRY, and boring. Its like watching a disaster movie every week.....stranding the crazy doctor was the most exciting thing so far!!!
I actually think the latest episode was best of the show so far. Nice cliffhanger in the end to ensure I'll still be around after the hiatus.
Larry man aliens have been shown 3 times now...no 4. It's not in your face, as it should not be. I for one would be disappointed if it was the same ol same ol
Its a different take, which I for one like, and I do not want to see the alien of the week aka ST:voyager. It's nice to see internal conflicts and hard pressed to survive. I think we will see more civilized aliens ( we have seen 1 maybe 2) I just hope they dont go down the same ol route as before.
This isn't the end of Rush. I can see this pushing him completely over the edge, though; when the Desiny bunch sees him again, I imagine it ain't gonna be pretty.
I'm almost more interested in seeing how this affects Young over time. Any thoughts?
I don't think it'll affect young at all, because Young is finally stepping up and making the hard decision he should have been making from the beginning and he never liked Rush. I think the biggest effect of Rush being left behind will be on Eli, everyone will be expecting him to fill Rush’s shoes as the resident genius.
I agree that Rush will be back as a recurring threat to the Destiny crew, either on his own or with alien allies.
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Young gave Rush an opportunity to come back. "Is it over?" Rush rejected that offer.
And honestly, I don't think Young had any choice. Rush planted the framing evidence, spoke against him at the hearing (check back to see what Young heard about Rush's testimony), set one of his own team to be killed in the Chair, and was unapologetic about the entire thing.
It's nice to see Chloe grow.
Here's my question: Destiny.
When the crew needed to scrub the air filters, it found them a planet where they could get some sand. When they were running low on water, it found them a planet with water. Likewise, power. Likewise, food. What did it think the needed, that it opened a gate to the world with the stranded ship? (And I'm not sure it's "the stranded ship," because if Destiny couldn't discern that the gou'aould-like race from the jungle planet would kill them, I'm not sure it has very reliable intelligence on the planets it chooses.
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It could be that Destiny randomly stops to check what the seed ships found. Depending on the age of the gates, (remember, these seem to be generation 2 gates, with the Milky Way gates being Gen 1, and the Atlantis gates being gen 3) it could be the seed ship said "Dropped a gate on a nice planet, lots of vegetation and foodstuffs" and by the time Destiny gets there, a planet exploded, rogue comet, what have you turned the planet into the wasteland.
Pet peeve. Someone finally gets the idea to 'stone in' an expert and they want Gil Grissom? Rodney or Daniel, to the stone chamber, stat!
on Destiny, the ship has info from survay and seed ships...but it's likly to be wildly out of date, and no all that detailed. Obit surveys and the like. The ship may have an ideal of whats needed but not know how to tell them what is needed or if it's out of date info is still correct
I agree that Rush will be back as a recurring threat to the Destiny crew, either on his own or with alien allies.
I'd really rather not see the Star Trek Voyager storyline again, thank you.
I'd really rather not see the Star Trek Voyager storyline again, thank you.I agree that Rush will be back as a recurring threat to the Destiny crew, either on his own or with alien allies.
heh, I had the same thought
Did Rush actually plant the evidence though? He took responsibility for it when Young challenged him, but that could have just been the fact that he enjoys rubbing Young the wrong way. Only Eli and Young know who really planted the evidence (besides the person who did it, if it wasn't Young).
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Did Rush actually plant the evidence though? He took responsibility for it when Young challenged him, but that could have just been the fact that he enjoys rubbing Young the wrong way. Only Eli and Young know who really planted the evidence (besides the person who did it, if it wasn't Young).
I think it was Rush, he didn't express distress or WTF? Plus if he didn't do it why would Young move against Rush then?
Did Rush actually plant the evidence though? He took responsibility for it when Young challenged him, but that could have just been the fact that he enjoys rubbing Young the wrong way. Only Eli and Young know who really planted the evidence (besides the person who did it, if it wasn't Young).
Yeah Young and eli saw him, The recording had his face and him doing it
Did Rush actually plant the evidence though? He took responsibility for it when Young challenged him, but that could have just been the fact that he enjoys rubbing Young the wrong way. Only Eli and Young know who really planted the evidence (besides the person who did it, if it wasn't Young).Yeah Young and eli saw him, The recording had his face and him doing it
Well, to be accurate, we don't know what Eli and Young saw. It is possible that the file really was corrupted.
No, it isn't very likely.
Between the conversation Young and Eli had after viewing it, and Eli showing classic signs of lying (I've been watching waaaayyyy too much Lie to Me), I am certain Rush is the culprit.
But what we know wouldn't hold up in court...
I had thought Young had just said, "I know it was you." But after watching that scene again I see he said that he had watched the unedited clip and saw that it was Rush who took the gun.
But what we know wouldn't hold up in court...
True, but despite the communication stones, the Destiny is a long way from any court. Young proved that with his actions at the end of last episode.
On any ship the Captain (the guy in charge) is judge and jury. His decisions should be guided by maritime law or in this case the US military code but the captain doesn’t have to follow them. Young can make any decision necessary to protect the long term survival of his crew. The punishment for munity is death and Rush's actions where mutinous so stranding rush on a planet is both appropriate and poetic.
On any ship the Captain (the guy in charge) is judge and jury. His decisions should be guided by maritime law or in this case the US military code but the captain doesn’t have to follow them.
I understand that this was the case when sea voyages lasted for months (the same reason sea captains have the ability to marry others -- couples who had fallen in love during a long voyage didn't want to be acting married without actually being married), but is it still in practice today? If it is, I'm curious why Young didn't just put his foot down to establish order immediately.
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On any ship the Captain (the guy in charge) is judge and jury. His decisions should be guided by maritime law or in this case the US military code but the captain doesn’t have to follow them.I understand that this was the case when sea voyages lasted for months (the same reason sea captains have the ability to marry others -- couples who had fallen in love during a long voyage didn't want to be acting married without actually being married), but is it still in practice today? If it is, I'm curious why Young didn't just put his foot down to establish order immediately.
MY dad is a twenty year Navy veteran and he can attest that yeah it is still in force. He used to tell me that the closest thing to absolute power is a Naval Captain at sea. Other branches of the service don't have the same tradition and so Col. Young, being an Air Force man, may not have felt comfortable in that role.
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Although lying to the crew when he got back seems lika a bad idea, particularly when most of them would have cheered Col. Young's decision. It can only lead to problems when Rush inevatably returns.
Which I'd love to see Rush return having got the alien ship (or some analouge of a puddle jumper) working and 'zipped ahead' of Destiny. He shows up with tech, supplies, and the secret of how he got the puddle jumper working. He confirms Young's lie, and we're now back to power struggles with both of them holding something over the other.
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Just premiered here in Australia on our network television. Not a Stargate fan generally but this looks interesting... but there appeared to be holes. Lots of information left out which I presume will come back in later episodes.
Also, just read that it has been confirmed that SyFy have renewed for a 2nd season of 20 eps.
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If it *were* allowable for Col. Young to judge Rush guilty of mutiny and sentence him to die of starvation on a barren planet, then there would have been no need for the (court martial / trial / board of inquiry) because that's exactly what Young was accused of: deciding that a man under his command was a danger to the rest of the men and women on board Destiny and killing him.
I mean, seriously, if there hadn't been a convenient gate, if Young had discovered Rush's perfidy while Destiny was traveling at FTL, what do you think he would have done? Just confine Rush to quarters?
My question is: what will his official report say, given the trust with which Stargate Command placed in Rush?
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MY dad is a twenty year Navy veteran and he can attest that yeah it is still in force. He used to tell me that the closest thing to absolute power is a Naval Captain at sea. Other branches of the service don't have the same tradition and so Col. Young, being an Air Force man, may not have felt comfortable in that role.On any ship the Captain (the guy in charge) is judge and jury. His decisions should be guided by maritime law or in this case the US military code but the captain doesn’t have to follow them.I understand that this was the case when sea voyages lasted for months (the same reason sea captains have the ability to marry others -- couples who had fallen in love during a long voyage didn't want to be acting married without actually being married), but is it still in practice today? If it is, I'm curious why Young didn't just put his foot down to establish order immediately.
Besides, while Young is in charge of the vessel most of the crew are civilians. They would not approve of Young taking control through force and executing whoever he deemed unfit. The situation is completely different than on a normal military vessel where the men and women serving have some idea of what to expect and a clear chain of command to obey.
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Besides, while Young is in charge of the vessel most of the crew are civilians. They would not approve of Young taking control through force and executing whoever he deemed unfit. The situation is completely different than on a normal military vessel where the men and women serving have some idea of what to expect and a clear chain of command to obey.MY dad is a twenty year Navy veteran and he can attest that yeah it is still in force. He used to tell me that the closest thing to absolute power is a Naval Captain at sea. Other branches of the service don't have the same tradition and so Col. Young, being an Air Force man, may not have felt comfortable in that role.On any ship the Captain (the guy in charge) is judge and jury. His decisions should be guided by maritime law or in this case the US military code but the captain doesn’t have to follow them.I understand that this was the case when sea voyages lasted for months (the same reason sea captains have the ability to marry others -- couples who had fallen in love during a long voyage didn't want to be acting married without actually being married), but is it still in practice today? If it is, I'm curious why Young didn't just put his foot down to establish order immediately.
Exactly right. You'll remember that Lt. Wonder Boy said that the military forces were all still behind Col. Young and would support him in retaking the ship.
Exactly right. You'll remember that Lt. Wonder Boy said that the military forces were all still behind Col. Young and would support him in retaking the ship.
Which leads back into one of the more interesting points of tension on the show so far, the civvies relating to the military, and the other way around. Young has been trying to dance a line between what must be done in order to keep things going, and trying to avoid being seen as the bully ordering everyone around. It's easier to issue the "you have to do this" kind of orders when you have the goodwill of the people you're ordering, but at the same time, it's tough to discount a side's suggestions when they're the side with all the guns.
I see Young moving more towards an autocratic style for a while after this, if only out of a fit of pique over the whole Rush thing.
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Although lying to the crew when he got back seems lika a bad idea, particularly when most of them would have cheered Col. Young's decision. It can only lead to problems when Rush inevatably returns.
Which leads to my question. Any bets on how long it is until Rush returns?
My initial guess would be the season finale, for the drama. But as I think on it more, I don't see them waiting that long. Rush was the most interesting character in the crew, and the interplay with Young is one of the primary drivers of the show. I just don't see them leaving him off the show that long, or turning him into a Lt. Ford style periodically occurring villain.
So for now, I'm guessing he'll be off the show for 3-6 episodes, and will then return and rejoin the crew.
Although lying to the crew when he got back seems lika a bad idea, particularly when most of them would have cheered Col. Young's decision. It can only lead to problems when Rush inevatably returns.Which leads to my question. Any bets on how long it is until Rush returns?
My initial guess would be the season finale, for the drama. But as I think on it more, I don't see them waiting that long. Rush was the most interesting character in the crew, and the interplay with Young is one of the primary drivers of the show. I just don't see them leaving him off the show that long, or turning him into a Lt. Ford style periodically occurring villain.
So for now, I'm guessing he'll be off the show for 3-6 episodes, and will then return and rejoin the crew.
What could be a kick in the ass is Rush finds a way back to earth and uses the stones to take control of Young.
Any bets on how long it is until Rush returns?
My money would be on the season finale, and after that as a recurring villain role, as you said, Lt. Ford style. Or even better, Micheal.
Any bets on how long it is until Rush returns?My money would be on the season finale, and after that as a recurring villain role, as you said, Lt. Ford style. Or even better, Micheal.
I'm pretty sure he won't miss any episodes.
Rush has already figured out how to control the ship, but is just happy to let it go on its projected route. Still, he has already programed in a fail-safe, "If I don't put this code in tomorrow, the ship will change course for planet X and stop. I already have figured out the gate coordinates for planet X and will meet it there."