
Laurefindel |

Not saying your wrong but aren't some objects/materials always cooler then air temperature no matter then amount of air they are exposed to?
I may be thinking of a different concept but, for example, if a material takes 15 units of energy to change one temperature degree and another takes only 5 units then what becomes equal if the two are exposed to each other? The temperature or the energy level?I always understood it was the energy levels. I mean my metal kitchen stove is cooler then the air even though it has been exposed to a relatively constant air temperature for months now. Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong. Educate me.
When a material appears cool to the touch, it means that you transferred energy (heat) to it.
Our body temperature averages 37.5 C (give or take a degree or two in appendages). An object at room temperature will be... at room temperature, so somewhere around 20 C. So even at room temperature, an item is "cool" compared to our body.
Depending on the material's ability to transfer heat (most metals, like your kitchen stove transfer heat better than air or wood), they may appear cool to the touch as you are effectively warming them up rather quickly (read the transfer of heat is efficient enough for you to feel the loss of heat). The same process happens with the air around you, except that air is a good isolator; you only have to heat-up a fine coat around you. That's why winter temperatures feel a lot colder when its windy; the wind constantly blow the air that you just warmed-up and the process has to be done continuously.
If there is one thing that I remember from my physics classes is that there is no such thing as cold, only heat and lack thereof. Now go tell that to the frost mage...

Kirth Gersen |

I mean my metal kitchen stove is cooler then the air even though it has been exposed to a relatively constant air temperature for months now. Maybe I'm just looking at it wrong. Educate me.
As Laurefindel explained, your metal kitchen stove is not actually cooler than the air; it is the exact same temperature. It FEELS cooler to you because the metal is a better conductor of heat than the air, and hence more heat energy moves from your body to the metal than from your body to the air.
As long as there is a temperature gradient (difference in temperature), there will be a net movement of heat energy from the warmer object/medium to the cooler one. By insulating things, you can slow this heat transfer, but never stop it completely.

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I never thought of this before, but the writer strikes a chord.
I found this to be especially true:
"In the US, to talk about race is to be seen as racist. You become the problem because you bring up the problem. So you find people who are hesitant to talk about it."
- Nalo Hopkinson
It reminds me of a quote from Henry Rollins:
"These days in the states, when you talk about anything gay or racial, suddenly you're homophobic and you're a racist. No, that's not it at all."

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I took the plunge tonight and finally saw this in IMAX 3D; and it was nothing like JTTCOTE (which was actually difficult to watch in 3D). If you've had bad experiences with 3D before, give this a try anyway--it must be new tech, or maybe it's the IMAX effect, because it is spectacular.
The experience was so amazing I simply have no way to describe it.

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I saw it in 3D too and it's pretty, oh so pretty.
I just can't figure out how it's making so much money, though. I mean, I get that it's #1, but I don't see the crowds lining up to see this like I did for other movies that broke records. Unless the IMAX prices are skewing the numbers.
I mean, it's already the #1 all-time world record-breaker and it's only $40 million away from toppling Titanic's domestic record.

pres man |

I saw it in 3D too and it's pretty, oh so pretty.
I just can't figure out how it's making so much money, though. I mean, I get that it's #1, but I don't see the crowds lining up to see this like I did for other movies that broke records. Unless the IMAX prices are skewing the numbers.
I mean, it's already the #1 all-time world record-breaker and it's only $40 million away from toppling Titanic's domestic record.
And the 3-D prices are also skewing. Also, if you adjust for inflation, it is not actually #1 of all-time, Gone With the Wind is.

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mattdroz wrote:And the 3-D prices are also skewing. Also, if you adjust for inflation, it is not actually #1 of all-time, Gone With the Wind is.I saw it in 3D too and it's pretty, oh so pretty.
I just can't figure out how it's making so much money, though. I mean, I get that it's #1, but I don't see the crowds lining up to see this like I did for other movies that broke records. Unless the IMAX prices are skewing the numbers.
I mean, it's already the #1 all-time world record-breaker and it's only $40 million away from toppling Titanic's domestic record.
Yeah, Gone with the Wind will forever hold that spot since, back before video-tapes & such, it was re-released almost annually in the theaters, thus hedging it up on the list. But, if you compare Avatar to Dark Knight, it seems like Dark Knight had to fight tooth & nail to keep climbing after the fourth week. Avatar seems to be just breezing it's way to the top.

ArchLich |

I never thought of this before, but the writer strikes a chord.
I found the article very annoying actually.
Rant:
Maybe its because Im Canadian and racial issues are not the same.
That said...
White guy guilt fantasy?!? F you.
If you have to make everything a white guy this, victim that issue then you have serious issues.
If stealing peoples land and resources is a white thing then apparanetly africans, south americans, native americans, japanese, asians, indians, europeans, etc are white as hell.
When one group meets another group that cant match their technology but has something they want well guess what happens?
Murder, theft and sometimes genocide.
It doesn't have to be this imaginary "white group". F-ing hell you think all people of european origin are one white group. WTF? Nice racism jack ass.
Edit: Rant is directed at Annalee Newitz author of said article.

Kruelaid |

I'm white, Canadian, and I have no serious problem with the article. I see no reason to get upset at this analysis at all, it certainly has some truth to it.
Of course it also has its problems. Like being sanctimonious.
And it is totally one sided self accusation.
Not to mention that white artists are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Step outside the archetypal race stories and suddenly we are "appropriating culture". And if we don't write at all about race what good is that?
Added to this, all whites certainly don't feel guilt. Paradoxically, I give constant yet virtually no important thought to it. My wife is a dark skinned native Filipino and I think she's awesome. In our house we don't really give a shit who is from where, we just know we're different and love it.
I suppose my reply to her would be to ask "When Will White People Stop Ranting About White Guilt?"

ArchLich |

...Not to mention that white artists are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Step outside the archetypal race stories and suddenly we are "appropriating culture". And if we don't write at all about race what good is that?Added to this, all whites certainly don't feel guilt. Paradoxically, I give constant yet virtually no important thought to it. My wife is a dark skinned native Filipino and I think she's awesome. In our house we don't really give a s&@! who is from where, we just know we're different and love it.
I suppose my reply to her would be to ask "When Will White People Stop Ranting About White Guilt?"
I completely understand. My girlfriend has an African father and Scottish mother but as she puts it "I'm not African American. I'm Canadian". All I see is an awesome girl.
As to the artist thing, yeah, we were just talking about that funnily enough.

Stewart Perkins |

Kruelaid wrote:
...Not to mention that white artists are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Step outside the archetypal race stories and suddenly we are "appropriating culture". And if we don't write at all about race what good is that?Added to this, all whites certainly don't feel guilt. Paradoxically, I give constant yet virtually no important thought to it. My wife is a dark skinned native Filipino and I think she's awesome. In our house we don't really give a s&@! who is from where, we just know we're different and love it.
I suppose my reply to her would be to ask "When Will White People Stop Ranting About White Guilt?"
I completely understand. My girlfriend has an African father and Scottish mother but as she puts it "I'm not African American. I'm Canadian". All I see is an awesome girl.
As to the artist thing, yeah, we were just talking about that funnily enough.
Yea I see this all the time, my wife is black and she constantly says "I am black, not African American. I come from Cleveland not Africa."
I do feel bad for her though, as the majority of my family are definately appalachian and seem to think that the first thing you do when meeting someone who isn't white is explain that you're not racist and then tell a story anout a time when you interacted with someone of color to back it up. Very awkward for me and worse for her. Luckily she isn't the easily offended type (I mean she married ME) but this is a common thing we see as an interracial couple in the backwoods smalltown area we live in. SO "White Man's Guilt" isn't that far off to be honest. WHat I do find patronizing about it is how this only comes up if the movie does good.
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ArchLich wrote:Kruelaid wrote:
...Not to mention that white artists are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Step outside the archetypal race stories and suddenly we are "appropriating culture". And if we don't write at all about race what good is that?Added to this, all whites certainly don't feel guilt. Paradoxically, I give constant yet virtually no important thought to it. My wife is a dark skinned native Filipino and I think she's awesome. In our house we don't really give a s&@! who is from where, we just know we're different and love it.
I suppose my reply to her would be to ask "When Will White People Stop Ranting About White Guilt?"
I completely understand. My girlfriend has an African father and Scottish mother but as she puts it "I'm not African American. I'm Canadian". All I see is an awesome girl.
As to the artist thing, yeah, we were just talking about that funnily enough.
Yea I see this all the time, my wife is black and she constantly says "I am black, not African American. I come from Cleveland not Africa."
I do feel bad for her though, as the majority of my family are definately appalachian and seem to think that the first thing you do when meeting someone who isn't white is explain that you're not racist and then tell a story anout a time when you interacted with someone of color to back it up. Very awkward for me and worse for her. Luckily she isn't the easily offended type (I mean she married ME) but this is a common thing we see as an interracial couple in the backwoods smalltown area we live in. SO "White Man's Guilt" isn't that far off to be honest. WHat I do find patronizing about it is how this only comes up if the movie does good.
There are some people in this world that are quite insistent on us feeling bad about feeling good. Especially in the United States.

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I'm white, Canadian, and I have no serious problem with the article. I see no reason to get upset at this analysis at all, it certainly has some truth to it.
Of course it also has its problems. Like being sanctimonious.
And it is totally one sided self accusation.
Not to mention that white artists are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Step outside the archetypal race stories and suddenly we are "appropriating culture". And if we don't write at all about race what good is that?
Added to this, all whites certainly don't feel guilt. Paradoxically, I give constant yet virtually no important thought to it. My wife is a dark skinned native Filipino and I think she's awesome. In our house we don't really give a s&~~ who is from where, we just know we're different and love it.
I suppose my reply to her would be to ask "When Will White People Stop Ranting About White Guilt?"
I think th article is more of an indication of the feelings of the author ad the publisher than the film maker. I wnder what the author would say about this movie.

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Andrew Turner wrote:I never thought of this before, but the writer strikes a chord.
I found this to be especially true:
"In the US, to talk about race is to be seen as racist. You become the problem because you bring up the problem. So you find people who are hesitant to talk about it."
- Nalo HopkinsonIt reminds me of a quote from Henry Rollins:
"These days in the states, when you talk about anything gay or racial, suddenly you're homophobic and you're a racist. No, that's not it at all."
I restate my previous comment.

ProfessorCirno |

Regarding the article, the issue comes down to one line:
"If we think of Avatar and its ilk as white fantasies about race..."
Answer: Don't. Avatar isn't about race. You, the author - you are bringing race into it. I doubt James Cameron cared.
And beyond that, what's truly racist is the idea that minorities empathize more with an alien species then they do with a disadvantaged human who can't afford his own medical benefits.
Let me put it another way: If the character of Jake Sully were an ethnicity other then caucasian, despite his ethnicity having no importance in the storyline at all, would it still be racist? If you answered at all, then the movie isn't the one with the problem.

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Regarding the article, the issue comes down to one line:
"If we think of Avatar and its ilk as white fantasies about race..."
Answer: Don't. Avatar isn't about race. You, the author - you are bringing race into it. I doubt James Cameron cared.
Put better and more succinctly than I ever could. I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Valegrim |

Well, as a fairie tale; the movie was pretty good; I enjoyed it; as a historian; I saw lots and lots of historical themes from the European rape of Africa, Central and South America; the dissolution of uncountable tens of millions in Russia; Manifest Destiny here in America. The Historical idea of the Noble Savage that was so prevalent in the 17th century; the struggle of a chiefdom vs a industrial state; the idea of what is considered honorable and the changing place of warfare in a societies consciousness. The movie also had a lot of WH 40k themes; I kept thinking of Imperial Guard and some of the table top games I have been in or seen and how to attack or defend depending on side.
Also, if you consider many of the wars where a small indigenous force fights a superpower and is successful; it is fun to apply what was in the movie to our own history and experience. During the American Revolution, that war against the Colonies; hence we in the use, were the indigenous peoples and merry old England, the superpower. Their problems; massive unpopularity at home, and wars and threat of wars with other nations; if England would have really applied its military strength to the Colonies; well,... Throw in the ideas of Vietnam, where a lot of our technology and main armament; like tanks; were basically useless, this was also in the movie in the form of their high energy fields that made weapons tracking poor.
I could go on and on; would be easy to write five or six thousand works on this and tie in writing from social eras. Reading the credits I was impressed by those who worked on the movie; they had a phd linguist create the language used; did awesome research and must have spent some time with guys like me to get all those themes represented so smoothly.
Leaving the movie theater; my last comment to my GF was this; if the humans really want that ore; they could just burn the planet and kill all life then take the ore; all points about indigenous plants or peoples would then be mute, all that would be left would be the haunted social consciousness of the incident which might be enough to cause change in military policy. There have been many many examples of humans perfectly willing and capable of annilating anyone for any reason.

pres man |

ProfessorCirno wrote:Put better and more succinctly than I ever could. I think you've hit the nail on the head.Regarding the article, the issue comes down to one line:
"If we think of Avatar and its ilk as white fantasies about race..."
Answer: Don't. Avatar isn't about race. You, the author - you are bringing race into it. I doubt James Cameron cared.
I heard Chris Matthews watched the movie and for the last hour totally forgot that the aliens were blue.

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Avatar is now the highest grossing movie of all time, knocking Titanic down to second place. James Cameron has plans for two sequels and already has Sam Worthington's agreement for the first one.
My mother, who did not want to go see this film until I absolutely insisted she did, enjoyed the film tremendously and vocally begged for a sequel at the end, so I think she'll be happy with the news.

Werthead |

James Cameron has confirmed his plans for the sequels:
AVATAR 2 will be released in December 2016.
AVATAR 3 will be released in December 2017.
AVATAR 4 will be released in December 2018.
Yeah, there's now going to be three sequels, because creativity (money) and the characters (money) and story (money) deserved it. Also, the money.