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As this seems so obvious that I cannot find it, my question is :
"Who can use staves and wands ?".Is it ... anybody ? Is it only Arcane/divine magic users ?
Can a wizard use a wand of healing ?
The same to a fighter ?
Can a bard use a staff of discharge ?Sorry but I tried to find it.
Wands and Staves are "Spell Trigger" items. They may only be used by characters that have the spell being used on their spell list. A fighter does not have a spell list, so he may not use either. If the Wand is Magic Missile, then a Wizard may use it just fine. If the Wand is Cure Light Wounds, then a Wizard may not use it, but a Cleric may. A multi-classed Cleric/Wizard could use either with no trouble.
One exception is the skill Use Magic Device allows PCs without the spell on their list to use the appropriate item. In this case, a character may use a Wand (though not a Staff) even if they do not have the requisite spell on their list (or do not have a list entirely). The DC to use a Wand in this fashion is 20.
Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys
As this seems so obvious that I cannot find it, my question is :
"Who can use staves and wands ?".Is it ... anybody ? Is it only Arcane/divine magic users ?
Can a wizard use a wand of healing ?
The same to a fighter ?
Can a bard use a staff of discharge ?Sorry but I tried to find it.
Wands and Staves are "Spell Trigger" items. They may only be used by characters that have the spell being used on their spell list. A fighter does not have a spell list, so he may not use either. If the Wand is Magic Missile, then a Wizard may use it just fine. If the Wand is Cure Light Wounds, then a Wizard may not use it, but a Cleric may. A multi-classed Cleric/Wizard could use either with no trouble.
One exception is the skill Use Magic Device allows PCs without the spell on their list to use the appropriate item. In this case, a character may use a Wand (though not a Staff) even if they do not have the requisite spell on their list (or do not have a list entirely). The DC to use a Wand in this fashion is 20.
Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys
Where is this written in the book? Some are going to ask and I'm just curious as I couldn't find it. It's how we run it though.
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Where is this written in the book? Some are going to ask and I'm just curious as I couldn't find it. It's how we run it though.
Use Magic Device:
Pathfinder Beta pg. 76, d20srdSpell Trigger:
d20srd
The Pathfinder Beta has left out the 'definitions' for Spell Trigger items, Spell Completion items, etc. though they are mentioned under the relevant item types (Wands and Staves are listed as Spell Trigger items). These definitions will be added to the final book, but for now the rules guiding them can be found at the link above.
Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys
Answer.Where is this written in the book? Some are going to ask and I'm just curious as I couldn't find it. It's how we run it though.
Activation: Wands use the spell trigger activation method...
Spell trigger is not defined in the Beta (or the Web enhancements), but was defined in the SRD as described above. So long as you have a caster level, and the spell is on your class spell list (not spells known, for a sorcerer or bard), you can use a wand, or that spell from a staff.
A key note is that wands are not divine or arcane as scrolls are. For instance, a Bard can use a Wand of Cure Light Wounds, no matter who made it, but could not use a divine scroll of cure light wounds (without resorting to a Use Magic Device check.) Also a Cleric with the Fire Domain could use Fireball from a Staff of Fire, as Fireball is considered on her class spell list, via the domain.
Majuba - acolyte of Nethys.
You don't actually need a caster level, even. The SRD specifically mentions that a 3rd level paladin can use wands, even though his caster level is 0, unless I'm mistaken.
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You don't actually need a caster level, even. The SRD specifically mentions that a 3rd level paladin can use wands, even though his caster level is 0, unless I'm mistaken.
This is correct. You merely need the spell on your class's spell list. This means that even a 1st level Ranger can use a Wand of Cure Light Wounds.
Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys
Spell trigger is not defined in the Beta (or the Web enhancements), but was defined in the SRD as described above.Majuba - acolyte of Nethys.
Helpful, thanks! I have seen a couple of items refer to the SRD. I am brand new to anything after AD&D. So I know bupkis about versions 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 etc. That probably seems astoudning, but the cool thing is that I get to go straight to PF without having to wade through 25 years of intervening material. :)
Okay, anyway.....
I have no problems searching the SRD to find background material, but are there any other SRD concepts that will not be in the new PF Corebook? It seems as though multi-classing rules might be in this category?
I have no problems searching the SRD to find background material, but are there any other SRD concepts that will not be in the new PF Corebook? It seems as though multi-classing rules might be in this category?
Other than the lack of any potential xp penalties involved in multiclassing (SRD if you multiclass unevenly in non-favored classes you could incur a penalty), I can't think of any major changes to multiclassing that are likely (though we may be surprised).
I believe just about every other concept will be represented. Some changes: Turning is converted to Channeling; Rages per day are now Rage rounds per day; Bardic Musics per day are not Bardic Performance rounds per day; Paladins Turning and Lay on Hands got combined and enhanced.
"Cleaving" (from Cleave feat) may be different, but I'm not sure that's a concept... Oh! XP costs - fairly common in 3rd, gone in PF. They were used for spells, creating magic items, etc.
You don't actually need a caster level, even. The SRD specifically mentions that a 3rd level paladin can use wands, even though his caster level is 0, unless I'm mistaken.
Right, always confusing this with the "can't use scrolls yet" issue for Paladins/Rangers.
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Spell trigger is not defined in the Beta (or the Web enhancements), but was defined in the SRD as described above.Majuba - acolyte of Nethys.
Helpful, thanks! I have seen a couple of items refer to the SRD. I am brand new to anything after AD&D. So I know bupkis about versions 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 etc. That probably seems astoudning, but the cool thing is that I get to go straight to PF without having to wade through 25 years of intervening material. :)
Okay, anyway.....
I have no problems searching the SRD to find background material, but are there any other SRD concepts that will not be in the new PF Corebook? It seems as though multi-classing rules might be in this category?
The final book will have everything you need to play Pathfinder, and the d20srd should no longer need to be referenced.