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I'm just sayin'. I can't wait to see them in action.
And yes it does remind me a little bit of the behir.
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This much (not to scale)
*grin* And you might just see them in action in more than just one place. :)
Which its sounding like they will!
I can readily see them replacing Eladrin as my favourite Outer Planar Beings if their Stats and History live up to their phenomenal Pics and Descriptions.
=D
I feel compelled to mention that Jason Nelson took the fluff I'd written for the kektar and contributed a seriously wicked set of stats for them.
What's not to love?
(There's still some work to be done on tags, btw. "The Great Beyond", "Keketar", etc.)
Hurray for compulsion!
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What's not to love?
I know. Between these two pics I am seriously liking what I am seeing!
What's not to love?
To play the devil's advocate, I find the "glowing ring of symbols" thing kind of hokey (cf. illumians).
I feel compelled to mention that Jason Nelson took the fluff I'd written for the kektar and contributed a seriously wicked set of stats for them.
Look for most of that coming from James actually, who took some major ownership over these guys in Pathfinder #22. Todd also goes on about them at some length in that same volume in an ecology style article called "Keepers of Chaos." These guys are pretty much the first reason I've ever thought about taking my groups into Limbo/The Maelstrom - which formerly had always just been the "static" between the planes to my mind. Very very cool. You'll have a whole society of these beasties in just a month or so here!
(cf. illumians).
Scoff. Wait for it.
(cf. illumians).Scoff. Wait for it.
O.K., I have "Races of Destiny" open in front of me and I'm waiting. Which page should I wait on?
Is this some kind of "Magic Eye" puzzles where the symbols are supposed to turn into a 3-D picture? I like those. :-)
These guys are pretty much the first reason I've ever thought about taking my groups into Limbo/The Maelstrom - which formerly had always just been the "static" between the planes to my mind. Very very cool. You'll have a whole society of these beasties in just a month or so here!
*blink* Dude I'm -seriously- flattered to hear that coming from you. *glee*
And speaking of stats, I mentioned that Jason wrote a statblock for the keketar, but I'd made stats for the other two types. Which one did James assert pwnership on?
Oh and *tries to peek at #22*
(cf. illumians).Scoff. Wait for it.
Nothing. Like. Illumians.
Trust me. Don't expect neat, orderly floating symbols like a revolving stock-ticker that the illumians had. Think turbulent cloud of whirling chaos above their heads that ripples and moves, with symbols, shapes, and strings of the same emerging and then being subsumed back into the chaos.
For examplars of chaos, IMO the slaadi could too easily become comic relief in some games. I tried to prevent that when I created the proteans to fill a similar cosmological niche.
Nothing. Like. Illumians.
So they're not extraplanar creatures with symbols floating around their heads?
Nothing. Like. Illumians.So they're not extraplanar creatures with symbols floating around their heads?
Oh come on. In the same way that vrocks (electric-immune CR 9 bird-like outsiders) and avoral agathions (electric-immune CR 9 bird-like outsiders) aren't the same, yeah, worlds different.
*blink* Dude I'm -seriously- flattered to hear that coming from you. *glee*
Totally deserve it man, good good stuff!
And speaking of stats, I mentioned that Jason wrote a statblock for the keketar, but I'd made stats for the other two types. Which one did James assert pwnership on?
Ahhaha, gotcha. I meant for the immentesh protean and naunet protean in PF #22. They're pretty twisted. But that's all you get for now. :P
OK, so what's the deal with the symbols? I just assumed I was looking at attempts to represent magic/magical effects. (I haven't had much call for Races of Destiny.)
Edit: And new tags are already added. Man, you guys are awesome.
Just have to add in my own "Wow, that thing looks DANG cool!" I have no worries about Illumian comparisons.
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(cf. illumians).Scoff. Wait for it.O.K., I have "Races of Destiny" open in front of me and I'm waiting. Which page should I wait on?
Is this some kind of "Magic Eye" puzzles where the symbols are supposed to turn into a 3-D picture? I like those. :-)
You should close Races of Destiny right now. That book has some of the worst art I've ever seen WotC publish.
The idea of a "crown" type thing above the head of a powerful otherworldly creature is nothing new. Halos, for example. You can do something like this poorly (see illumians) or you can do it well (see proteans).
All I can say is that Sarah Stone did some awesome artwork on the book's interior (The Great Beyond, not RoD).
The idea of a "crown" type thing above the head of a powerful otherworldly creature is nothing new. Halos, for example. You can do something like this poorly (see illumians) or you can do it well (see proteans).
Ah. Sounds goods to me, looks good to me. Oh, the picture in the blog might have the "crown" slightly misaligned for the position and angle of the head...but I'm being picky. It still looks good.
Edit: Is Sarah Stone the illustrator? I didn't see an attribution in the blog.
Double edit: Dangit! I swear it wasn't there a minute ago. Starts looking compulsively over his shoulder.
Edit: Is Sarah Stone the illustrator? I didn't see an attribution in the blog.
Yes, she did the images of the keketar, astradaemon, and axiomite that were featured on the blog so far. As far as I know, she did all the non-map interior artwork (unless there were other artists involved that I'm not aware of). I've seen everything she did, and I'm seriously happy with them all.
The idea of a "crown" type thing above the head of a powerful otherworldly creature is nothing new. Halos, for example. You can do something like this poorly (see illumians) or you can do it well (see proteans).
Well, it's a matter of taste. I just personally think it's odd to borrow (or independently invent, if that's the case) the silly floating-alphabet-head-thing from the illumians, even if the Pathfinder version "goes up to eleven". I think the keketar looks pretty cool otherwise.
I gotta say, Hogarth, they just don't look similar to me. The only thing they have in common if they're glowing and they're near the head.
I'm probably coming off w-a-a-a-y more crotchety and sour than I'm intending. Really, I think the art looks cool.
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Oh come on. In the same way that vrocks (electric-immune CR 9 bird-like outsiders) and avoral agathions (electric-immune CR 9 bird-like outsiders) aren't the same, yeah, worlds different.Nothing. Like. Illumians.So they're not extraplanar creatures with symbols floating around their heads?
Hey we're not bird-like outsiders! Birds are Vrock-like animals!
And illumians are hardly the first otherworldly beings who have stuff floating above their heads. The Dabus & Phirblas had that schtick way before illumians got shoehorned in Races of Destiny. And Slaadi had little emblems on their heads in the PS Monstrous Compendium to tell them apart as well, so it's a tried and true method of doing things.
--King of Vrock!
The Dabus & Phirblas had that schtick way before illumians got shoehorned in Races of Destiny.
Whoa. My mistake oh king. (Though does this imply there's a platpus-like fiend out there somewhere?) And was I the ONLY person who liked the dabus? Maybe I just liked the rebuses and not the race...
Pfft. Keketar? More like, uh, Keketard!
Ha! Burn. :P
Oh, the picture in the blog might have the "crown" slightly misaligned for the position and angle of the head...
It's not misaligned; it's at a jaunty angle.
Of course! It's on an ethereal jaunt...
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The idea of a "crown" type thing above the head of a powerful otherworldly creature is nothing new. Halos, for example. You can do something like this poorly (see illumians) or you can do it well (see proteans).Well, it's a matter of taste. I just personally think it's odd to borrow (or independently invent, if that's the case) the silly floating-alphabet-head-thing from the illumians, even if the Pathfinder version "goes up to eleven". I think the keketar looks pretty cool otherwise.
Again... we're not borrowing from the illumians. There were characters who did similar things in Planescape, after all (the dabus, and some others...). I wouldn't say the Pathfinder version "goes up to eleven" at all. Also: Those crowns DO give our artists a few problems now and then... in that sometimes the keketars (like the one on the cover) don't have their crown showing in the first place...
HOGARTH STOP FLAMING LIKE A FLAMING FLAME HERE!!!!!!111!1one!
I'm probably coming off w-a-a-a-y more crotchety and sour than I'm intending.
Oh, uh, ah...... Anyway, nice to have you here. As you were... <_<
Oh, the picture in the blog might have the "crown" slightly misaligned for the position and angle of the head.
Of course it's misaligned. We're talking about incarnations of pure chaos here. Only those lawful types get their crown set on their head properly by their mommy.
You should close Races of Destiny right now. That book has some of the worst art I've ever seen WotC publish.
I think it starts with the cover. That Illumian is way beyond ugly. Makes Mialee look like a supermodel. (And I'm not talking about the few half-decent Mialee pictures they snuck in.)
Oh, the picture in the blog might have the "crown" slightly misaligned for the position and angle of the head.Of course it's misaligned. We're talking about incarnations of pure chaos here. Only those lawful types get their crown set on their head properly by their mommy.
It makes me think of attempts like Lovecraft's to narrate "the impossible" look of outsiders. Memory says he even talks about things at odd angles. Lewis does this, too.
It makes me think of attempts like Lovecraft's to narrate "the impossible" look of outsiders.
How inefficient. Here, look.
Yes, yes, I think sanity points grow back. (To everyone else: I'm lying to put him at ease!)
Years in education and academia allow me to look upon utter, rationality-curdling horror with dispassionate detachment. Huh, you have freckles.
The only good thing about them is the squishy sound they make when you smite them.
Of course, there's already smite evil, protection from evil, magic circle against evil...not to mention the versions for chaos...
New d20 modern spell: smite postmodernist. Like.
In d20 Modern the smite ability works to smite allegiances (not alignments) so technically this is already part of the game. :)
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The Dabus & Phirblas had that schtick way before illumians got shoehorned in Races of Destiny.Whoa. My mistake oh king. (Though does this imply there's a platpus-like fiend out there somewhere?) And was I the ONLY person who liked the dabus? Maybe I just liked the rebuses and not the race...
Pfft. Keketar? More like, uh, Keketard!Ha! Burn. :P
Platypus Fiend = Gorgant
I too think the Dabus rocked! I have one hanging from my rearview mirror (I call him Fell). Note the horns, the wispy hair, and the keyhole... It just screamed the Cage to me when I saw it!
Dabus thingie in my car!
--We will, we will Vrock you!
Nothing really to contribute to this thread. Looking forward to reading about the new chaotic outsiders with chaotic halos and I like dabus.