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Just because you choose not to take certain people at their word and actions does not mean I am paranoid for doing so.
To quote:
(Just read the site heading.)
First, I admit that there might be radicals out there that wish to try and subjugate unbelievers, but I have known to many Muslims in my own life to believe that there is some global Islamic conspericiy. Second, why should I take the word of some blogger over my own experiences, when I know how many blogs operate? It's going to take more than an anti-Muslim blog to convence me that every Muslim is out to get me.
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Sam is convinced that every Muslim is out there just waiting for him to fall alsleep so the can turn him into a dhjimi.
I've always been convinced that the Jews were doing the same thing, that's why I always leave 5 dollars at the door to my house at night to appease them. (this is not a serious statement it is a joke reminiscent of the movie Borat please no one seriously think I have anything against jewish people, I reserve all my hate for the bloody norweges)
Congratulations, you win the "Ugly American Award".
I fully admit that I am not very educated nor well travelled, so your label may be entirely appropriate although applied for the wrong reasons.
I do not seriously want to take away anyone's belief.
Now when you want to start telling me that your belief is right and mine is wrong, you have opened the door for me to debate the validity of your belief. I further believe humor to be a very valid means of debate.
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Sam is convinced that every Muslim is out there just waiting for him to fall alsleep so the can turn him into a dhjimi.I've always been convinced that the Jews were doing the same thing, that's why I always leave 5 dollars at the door to my house at night to appease them. (this is not a serious statement it is a joke reminiscent of the movie Borat please no one seriously think I have anything against jewish people, I reserve all my hate for the bloody norweges)
Me, I'm afraid of those damn Canucks. Sitting up North, all peaceful like with their chip-trucks and plaid shirts. You know they're plotting something. I can see it in their eyes, hear it in their not-quite-northwest-but-not-quite-British voices. I've got my eye on you, Canada!
It's going to take more than an anti-Muslim blog to convence me that every Muslim is out to get me.
Ignoring the extremist for the moment, I am not accosted weekly by a Muslim trying to convert me to their faith. I can not say the same of a certain other faith.
and I believe it to be a meaningless sledgehammer, I just happen to have a fondness for sledgehammers.
I realize you meant that as a joke, but actually, I prefer humor because I find it much more subtle.
And the last such bombing was when?
And how much such bombings occurred?
Irrelevant; I don't accept the "Jeffrety Dahmer's an OK guy because he murdered fewer people than William Bonny" argument. If your stand is that Group A is reprehensible and Group B is not, then A and B should both be compared against Control C, not merely against each other. By that yardstick, Christianity no more gets a "free pass" than does Islam -- or anyone else.
Even many of my fellow Buddhists have lost track of their insight and engaged in violence in the past, so they, too, are culpable. We should be less concerned with "the evil that some Muslims (specifically) do" and more concerned with "the evil that many humans (including many Muslims) do."
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You have done so. By continuing, you are doing (or attempting) something else.You mean advocate for my beliefs?
Others do that. Is there some specific problem when I do so?
More often than not, when you write in the political threads, you do so to emphasize the other point of view. Or that things are generally not always as they appear. You are no longer doing that here.
Advocating what you believe is one thing. Continuing to advocate what you believe starts to get preachy and (possibly) offensive.
You did advocate your beliefs. Again, by continuing, you are doing (or attempting) something more.
It's going to take more than an anti-Muslim blog to convence me that every Muslim is out to get me.Ignoring the extremist for the moment, I am not accosted weekly by a Muslim trying to convert me to their faith. I can not say the same of a certain other faith.
How about I send you a Quran then Court Fool? I think you'll find it interesting reading. :)
This is a joke. I want CourtFool to remain godless. ;)
How about I send you a Quran then Court Fool?
Honestly, that does not bother me. Suggesting that I read the Quran and decide for myself is fine. Changing the Constitution because the Bible says homosexuals should be discriminated against is not.
I appologize for being so way off topic.
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I don't have to read your mind, because I have read what you write. You have a keen intelect and an excellent ability to express your point of veiw. Sadly though, all of that seems to be applied to demonizing all Muslims based on the actions of a radical few. I find this to be offensive, because it is exactly what people have been doing to my religon and it is exactly what those self-same radicals do to convince their followers to hate and kill westerners.
Except it is not a radical few. If you had read through those links you would have discovered that. That is the point.
Consider a comparable example, the various white supremacist "religious" groups. Do you condemn their entire belief system, or only those individual members who actively commit violent crimes? Yes, they do pretend to be Christians, but in their case it is easy to separate them from the general body of Christians, much as it is easy to separate other Christian extremists from the general body of Christianity and condemn them without tossing Christianity away in the process.
That is not possible with Muslims, again as you would realize looking at any of the links. CAIR is a prime example, alleging that any identification of a Muslim in connection with anything they perceive as negative is an attack on all Muslims everywhere, no matter the circumstances.
So yet again, do please produce anything to rebut my presentations rather than repeating the accusations of terrorist front groups that I am merely bigoted and such. I even gave you a place to start with the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. Of course they agree with what I have said, but at least it is a place for you to start looking for Muslims who have rejected the violence that forms the basis of the main groups of Sunni, Shia, and Sufi Islam.
Oh, and I challenge you to produce any direct statement I have made condemning "all" Muslims that has not been in direct response to a statement claiming that "all" or the "majority of" Muslims do not believe in the things stated by the "extremists".
You cannot, because I have not.
When discourse takes the form of people speaking for "everyone", as has been done repeatedly by those defending Muslims in this thread and others, then responses will inevitably be framed in the same form. Too many have made claims about such things. You know these things, but it is "bigoted", and I must not quote Muslims about their faith to show otherwise.
You must be controlling my mind, not just reading it, to proclaim such motives on my part at that rate.
Mormons and Baptists are usually the ones I deal with, although I try not to hold their rudeness against the whole religion.
I agree, Mormons are the worst about going door to door. The last batch I had were a little miffed that I seemed to know more about the Book of Mormon than they did.
From CourtFool?There's subtle humor?!?and I believe it to be a meaningless sledgehammer, I just happen to have a fondness for sledgehammers.I realize you meant that as a joke, but actually, I prefer humor because I find it much more subtle.
Is it really my fault you can not get deeper than the first layer? :P
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Honestly, that does not bother me. Suggesting that I read the Quran and decide for myself is fine. Changing the Constitution because the Bible says homosexuals should be discriminated against is not.
The Bible does not say that. I understand, however, what you are saying and there are many Christians that take things a bit farther than they should. (Quite a bit...) What I don't understand is why so many people need to use religion as an excuse to be poopy to others.
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Is it really my fault you can not get deeper than the first layer? :PFrom CourtFool?There's subtle humor?!?and I believe it to be a meaningless sledgehammer, I just happen to have a fondness for sledgehammers.I realize you meant that as a joke, but actually, I prefer humor because I find it much more subtle.
Last time I had natchos I got through all seven layers *thumbs up*
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Yes, obviously no self-proclaimed Christian would ever bomb abortion clinics, for example -- nor would "moderates" shelter the perpetrators.
There is a difference between one person, who, by the way, was hunted down like a dog by the authorities, and who is loudly and vocally condemned by most Christians (regardless of whatever they feel in their hearts), and the hero worship, both by the public and the various governments, of the assmunches committing terror originating from the Middle East.
When hundreds of abortion clinics are bombed, and hundreds of thousands are dead, let me know. When abortion bombers are killing four year old children by smashing their heads on the ground, let me know. When tens of thousands of Christians are tearing up this country with their terrorism, let me know.
And, Magdalena, Turkey's current government is not, in nay way, secular, and there have been quite a few stories about the Turkish military (which actually does care about Turkey being a secular nation) threatening Recep Tayyip with martial law and removal from government for pushing his Islamist agenda too far. Turkey is having a cultural crisis right now. The current government wants to push towards Sharia and Islamic rules (and force the EU to take them on Turkish terms), while the military wants to remain secular and join the EU on the EU's terms.
