Stupid bard question


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I can't find where in the rules is said that when i use my perform (sing) to inspire courage i can't cast spells with verbal components. I am pretty sure i can't but i can't find the rule, can you help?


leo1925 wrote:
I can't find where in the rules is said that when i use my perform (sing) to inspire courage i can't cast spells with verbal components. I am pretty sure i can't but i can't find the rule, can you help?

You can't find it because it doesn't exist.

Obviously, you can't start a song as a standard action then cast a spell as a standard action in the same round, but on subsequent rounds (or once you can start a song as a move action), you can cast spells freely. In 3.5, maintaining the song was a standard action as well, which prevented you from spellcasting, but Pathfinder changed maintaining to a free action.


Most performances no longer require the Bard to actually, you know, perform. I just learned that here, today.

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Bobson wrote:
leo1925 wrote:
I can't find where in the rules is said that when i use my perform (sing) to inspire courage i can't cast spells with verbal components. I am pretty sure i can't but i can't find the rule, can you help?

You can't find it because it doesn't exist.

Obviously, you can't start a song as a standard action then cast a spell as a standard action in the same round, but on subsequent rounds (or once you can start a song as a move action), you can cast spells freely. In 3.5, maintaining the song was a standard action as well, which prevented you from spellcasting, but Pathfinder changed maintaining to a free action.

Not quite. In 3.5 the song could be maintained as a free action also, but the rule said that if you spoke (or cast a spell with a verbal component) it cancelled the song. There was a feat to remove that penalty, though.

You are absolutely correct for Pathfinder, though. You can maintain the song regardless of what else you do.


Basically the concept behind the feat (i think it was called melodic casting) is just part of the bard now.


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Thank you all.
And thank you Aldin for pointing out this great thread for me.

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leo1925 wrote:

Thank you all.

And thank you Aldin for pointing out this great thread for me.

New book UM has a feat called Spellsong. Let's you combine a performance w/spell casting to disguise that your casting and also let's you maintain a concentration by spending bardic performance rds while doing something else.

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