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That's a matter of debate that could only really be resolved by the two teams playing each other. What I am saying is that Utah should be ranked higher because they have performed better up to this point. Both teams played mostly conference games and the out of conference games that both teams played were against mostly mediocre teams. Florida's ooc teams were Hawaii, Miami (Fl), The Citadel, and Florida State. Of those teams, the team with the best over all record was Florida State at 8-4. Utah's ooc teams were Michigan, Oregan State, Weber State, and Utah State. The team with the best record there was the Beavers who were also 8-4. Michigan is one of those teams that was tough when they were added to Utah's schedule, but have fallen flat on their face since then.


David Fryer wrote:
That's a matter of debate that could only really be resolved by the two teams playing each other. What I am saying is that Utah should be ranked higher because they have performed better up to this point. Both teams played mostly conference games and the out of conference games that both teams played were against mostly mediocre teams. Florida's ooc teams were Hawaii, Miami (Fl), The Citadel, and Florida State. Of those teams, the team with the best over all record was Florida State at 8-4. Utah's ooc teams were Michigan, Oregan State, Weber State, and Utah State. The team with the best record there was the Beavers who were also 8-4. Michigan is one of those teams that was tough when they were added to Utah's schedule, but have fallen flat on their face since then.

Since they don't play each other you have to analyze the strength and weaknesses of both teams. By doing this you have to say that Utah is not as good as Florida. Don't get me wrong, Utah is a very good team but I don't see them as a national contender. How well would Utah do in the Big 12 or the SEC? Probably 3rd or 4th place. They wouldn't be undefeated that's for sure. However, I do believe that there should be a playoff system put in place where they can prove themselves.

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Garydee wrote:


Since they don't play each other you have to analyze the strength and weaknesses of both teams. By doing this you have to say that Utah is not as good as Florida.

The same could be said for any sport though. Take the Titans and the Packers in the NFL for example. In a side by side comparison, the Packers are a much better team then the Titans. However, that on paper performance has not translated into on the field performance which has resulted in the Titans being ranjed higher than the Packers. Ultimately football is a sport that is all about how you perform on the field, and that should be the only measure that counts.

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That's part of the problem... the mid-majors (MWC, MAC, WCC) aren't given that chance most often to prove that they're better than any of the "big boys".

A team like Florida won't pick up Utah in their out of conference schedule because A) it isn't an automatic win, (such as Citadel or Directional Louisiana) and there's a chance that on that one given day, they'll lose (see Boise State/Oklahoma, Appalachian State/Michigan), and B) if they don't, it negatively influences their strength of schedule, in the minds of the idiot voters, who might penalize them later in the year for beating up on who they consider a walkover.

What I'd like to get rid of is the conference tie-ins. I'm from Indiana, and we have a ridiculously good (currently) undefeated team, #12 Ball State, that won't even get a sniff at a decent bowl because of conference tie-ins. Instead, they'll have to play a Big Ten #7 team in the Motor City Bowl, which is like half a month before the January bowls, or a Conference USA also-ran in freaking Toronto. And if they were given leave to go play a team like Boise State, it would only be in the Humanitarian Bowl, which oh by the way is on Boise State's home field. That's crap.

And you know what? They might be another Hawaii, who gets shellacked by a big brawny musclebound SEC behemoth. They still deserve the chance to pull off the one-in-a-million. that goes for Utah and Boise State, too. They defeated everyone on their schedule. That's more than 95% of the FBS teams can claim.

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David Fryer wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Dude, Florida would beat the Airforce...7 times 13...is.... That's why.
Yeah, but Air Force is better than Army any day of the week. ;p

And Navy would kick the crap out of everybody! GO NAVY!

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Aberzombie wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Dude, Florida would beat the Airforce...7 times 13...is.... That's why.
Yeah, but Air Force is better than Army any day of the week. ;p

And Navy would kick the crap out of everybody! GO NAVY!

The Navy is just a gorified yacht club. My dad would kill me if he caught me saying this.


David Fryer wrote:
Garydee wrote:


Since they don't play each other you have to analyze the strength and weaknesses of both teams. By doing this you have to say that Utah is not as good as Florida.
The same could be said for any sport though. Take the Titans and the Packers in the NFL for example. In a side by side comparison, the Packers are a much better team then the Titans. However, that on paper performance has not translated into on the field performance which has resulted in the Titans being ranjed higher than the Packers. Ultimately football is a sport that is all about how you perform on the field, and that should be the only measure that counts.

True, but the differences between the skill levels of two pro teams is minuscule. In college there are huge disparities between teams. Utah is .1 or .2 slower in the 40 at nearly every skill position than Florida and Utah's defense is undersized(although you do have a good sized o-line.). I realize that raw stats like this aren't everything. Heart and skill play a part and Florida has that as well. I'm not saying Utah isn't good enough to upset them. I'm just saying Utah isn't as good as Florida is.

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Luke wrote:

Colt McCoy is tough, huh? Well allow me to retort...

linky. Check out the hits at the 1:30 and 2:20 marks in the video.

Never said Tebow wasn't a billy bada** :)

Colt will lower his shoulder and take on a linebacker as well, he might not run him over (I think he gives up about 30-35 pounds to Tebow), but he ain't afraid of contact. I was watching the Texas/OU game again last night(just to remind me who won, ya know), and the announcers were amazed that Colt didn't run out of bounds and went head first on a few of his scrambles.

Seriously, I think the most entertaining game possible would be Texas v. Florida, as I think they have the two best QBs in college foootball, the best skill position guys (collectively, that is. I know other teams have individual players better than Texas or Florida players in head to head comparisons, but overall, position by position, Texas and Florida rule the roost), and killer defenses (Texas is the only Big 12 team that actually PLAYS defense, after all...).

Unfortunately, in the Big 12, they don't use the SEC's fifth tiebreaker, and we're stuck with the Sooners being in a position to embarrass us in a BCS bowl again...


houstonderek wrote:


Unfortunately, in the Big 12, they don't use the SEC's fifth tiebreaker, and we're stuck with the Sooners being in a position to embarrass us in a BCS bowl again...

If Oklahoma and Texas could play again on a neutral site, this would solve the entire problem. As I said on an earlier post, I wish the two best teams could play each other in the conference championship game instead of the best team from the south playing the north winner. As weak as the north division is, the Big 12 championship game is boring almost every year.

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houstonderek wrote:
...we're stuck with the Sooners being in a position to embarrass us in a BCS bowl again...

Not necessarily. I see two possible scenarios for Texas in the BIG Game:

1. Oklahoma loses to Missouri, Alabama wins against Florida - in which case it could then be Bama at #1 and Texas at #2.

2. Both Oklahoma and Alabama lose their respective conference championships - in which case it could be Texas at #1 vs Florida at #2 (unless a Florida victory allows them to leapfrog over Texas into the #1 spot).

Of course, that's just based on no type of leap-frogging. The BCS system, in the wake of a Oklahoma loss to Missouri, could decide to bump the next highest ranked conference champion over Texas, in which case overrated (in my opinion) USC might get a nod.

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houstonderek wrote:
Luke wrote:

Colt McCoy is tough, huh? Well allow me to retort...

linky. Check out the hits at the 1:30 and 2:20 marks in the video.

Never said Tebow wasn't a billy bada** :)

Colt will lower his shoulder and take on a linebacker as well, he might not run him over (I think he gives up about 30-35 pounds to Tebow), but he ain't afraid of contact. I was watching the Texas/OU game again last night(just to remind me who won, ya know), and the announcers were amazed that Colt didn't run out of bounds and went head first on a few of his scrambles.

Seriously, I think the most entertaining game possible would be Texas v. Florida, as I think they have the two best QBs in college foootball, the best skill position guys (collectively, that is. I know other teams have individual players better than Texas or Florida players in head to head comparisons, but overall, position by position, Texas and Florida rule the roost), and killer defenses (Texas is the only Big 12 team that actually PLAYS defense, after all...).

Unfortunately, in the Big 12, they don't use the SEC's fifth tiebreaker, and we're stuck with the Sooners being in a position to embarrass us in a BCS bowl again...

I almost agree. UF still has to demostrate they're even worthy of a Big 12 opponent by taking care of business vs bama.

But if I honestly ask myself which team I would rather see my team face (which one I think UF would have a better chance of beating), I think it is Texas by a hair. OU has looked scary the past two weeks. I just have this lingering suspicion that OU couldn't force us to punt if we met.

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Aberzombie wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
...we're stuck with the Sooners being in a position to embarrass us in a BCS bowl again...

Not necessarily. I see two possible scenarios for Texas in the BIG Game:

1. Oklahoma loses to Missouri, Alabama wins against Florida - in which case it could then be Bama at #1 and Texas at #2.

2. Both Oklahoma and Alabama lose their respective conference championships - in which case it could be Texas at #1 vs Florida at #2 (unless a Florida victory allows them to leapfrog over Texas into the #1 spot).

Of course, that's just based on no type of leap-frogging. The BCS system, in the wake of a Oklahoma loss to Missouri, could decide to bump the next highest ranked conference champion over Texas, in which case overrated (in my opinion) USC might get a nod.

I don't care who we play, or what number we are.

Bring it.

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Garydee wrote:
houstonderek wrote:


As weak as the north division is, the Big 12 championship game is boring almost every year.

Except that the underdog wins this game alot! The Big 12 champ game has been interesting like a bad car-wreck. My upset pick of the week is Mizzou over OU. Texas dreams come true!

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Naah.....OU's been looking pretty good lately.

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Heathansson wrote:
Naah.....OU's been looking pretty good lately.

They ALWAYS look good when it doesn't count, though. January 1st or later? Pure, unadulterated suckage...

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Did you see where Ball State decided to just say no to a bowl game? That is a big tall glass of fail right there.

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That's like Failabama wellwater right there.

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Heathansson wrote:
That's like Failabama wellwater right there.

Isn't that a town in Florida?


You're thinking of Failahassee. The 'gnolles.

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David Fryer wrote:
Did you see where Ball State decided to just say no to a bowl game? That is a big tall glass of fail right there.

But just the Humanitarian Bowl right? I would like to see every school decline every bowl invitation.


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snobi wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
Did you see where Ball State decided to just say no to a bowl game? That is a big tall glass of fail right there.
But just the Humanitarian Bowl right? I would like to see every school decline every bowl invitation.

That is the impression I have got. I remember a contest once where 1st prize was a weekend trip to Boise. 2nd prize was a full week.


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David Fryer wrote:
Did you see where Ball State decided to just say no to a bowl game? That is a big tall glass of fail right there.

Of course, it is now looking like Dave called this one right. Ball State can still take the full week in Boise, right?

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Yep, it doesn't help your case much when you outrush, out pass, out time of possess the opposition and almost get doubled up by a sizeable underdog...

Gotta make your case between the lines. Sorry about your luck, Ball State.

Oh, well. One less mid-major whining about being left out...

Liberty's Edge

Damn that was an ugly game. It looked like both teams had multiple personality disorder. 3 and out. Touchdown in 9 plays.
3 and out. Field goal. 3 and out....
I almost had a damn stroke.

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Yeah, they need a damn playoff. There's too many teams that should legitemately be in the damn championship game.


*&^$%#@$ Oklahoma!

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I'm suprised that Heathy hasn't started gloating yet.

Liberty's Edge

What's to gloat about? We could've lost that game.

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Heathy is probably too busy visualizing how badly the Gator's are going to smash (ch)oklahoma...

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Heathansson wrote:
What's to gloat about? We could've lost that game.

Yeah, but you didn't and that's all that matters. I missed the second half because I was at the movies with my wife, so all I got to see was the awesome hit Alabama got on Tebow on the second play of the second half.

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Aww, man....that means that you missed when we went to sack John Parker Wilson, and he tried to mischeviously throw it away again, but we intercepted it.

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I'm saving the gloating for my wife's cousin....

I was up there in Oklahoma a couple years back, and my little two year old son had his little Florida Gators jersey on, and he says "why don't you get him a REAL team's jersey....like OU?"

Oh, man.....THAT is some smack talk that's been a loooooooooooong time in coming.

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As long as Penn State wins the Rose Bowl, I am happy!!!

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Man, I'm all like f&+~ the BCS; I hope we play Texas, USC or whoever play Oklahoma for the championship. Texas is where it's at.
I wanna play Texas, dammit!!!


Alabama vs. Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Mr. Fryer, who are you going to root for in this game? :)

Liberty's Edge

ROLL TIDE!!!!!


Heathansson wrote:
ROLL TIDE!!!!!

The Tide already got rolled. :)

Liberty's Edge

I know; I root for SEC in the bowls, except for Georgia.


Heathansson wrote:
I know; I root for SEC in the bowls, except for Georgia.

Why is there so much animosity between Florida and Georgia? Is there a large rivalry between the two states that goes beyond football(like OK&TX)?

Liberty's Edge

Oh, yeah......it's like really bad. Really really bad.

They even insist there was a game that they beat us in in the turn of the last century that we insist never even happened. They count that game in how many times they've beaten us.

It's bad. They beat up our mascot guy one time.

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Congrats to Florida. They played a really good game. Now they get to kick the crap out of Oklahoma. Looks like it will be another SEC year. Maybe those other conferences should just give it up.


Go Gators!

:)

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKLAHOMA, wherethewindcomeswhip ping down the plain,

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKLAHOMA,
PercyHarvin's ankleis no longer sprained....

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Heathansson wrote:

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKLAHOMA, wherethewindcomeswhip ping down the plain,

My brother moved to Oklahoma a few years ago. I sing that to him all the time.

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Garydee wrote:
Alabama vs. Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Mr. Fryer, who are you going to root for in this game? :)

I'll be damned if I know. All I know is that whoever wins, it's going to be a better game than Failorida and Chokelahoma. And whoever wins will have just as much claim to being national champions as the winner of the National Championship game, just like Texas will. It won't be the first time that we've had a split national championship.

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DaveMage wrote:

Go Gators!

:)

They make great stew!


Well, a 2 loss Ohio State team gets the nod to play in the Fiesta Bowl over an undefeated Boise State team. What a fair system we have in place!


David Fryer wrote:
Garydee wrote:
Alabama vs. Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Mr. Fryer, who are you going to root for in this game? :)
I'll be damned if I know. All I know is that whoever wins, it's going to be a better game than Failorida and Chokelahoma. And whoever wins will have just as much claim to being national champions as the winner of the National Championship game, just like Texas will. It won't be the first time that we've had a split national championship.

I agree. Florida and Okie won't be much of a game. Florida will kill them. Alabama and Utah will be a great matchup, although Utah may have trouble against Alabama's power running game.

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Garydee wrote:
Well, a 2 loss Ohio State team from a lesser conference gets the nod to play in the Fiesta Bowl over an undefeated Boise State team from a superior conference. What a fair system we have in place!

You forgot something ;)

(Sorry. y'all. the Little Ten is straight poopoo anymore...)

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David Fryer wrote:
DaveMage wrote:

Go Gators!

:)

They make great stew!

Actually, they make a great Sauce Piquante or Etouffe. Stew is for non-Louisianians. Fried alligator tail can be delicious as well. In my experience, however, alligator can be tricky to cook.

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