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What I love about PF is the chance you have to continue the home grown campaign you started, how many times has this happened to everyone? New edition comes out so now you have to re-do everything, from re-tweaking the classes of NPC's and rulers. Add new rules here and there, or just play the last edition to a turning point in the ages and craft a new age for your players. With new rules, etc.
I always made it so that if a charcater wanted to play a certain age or era of my homemade campaign setting, that they needed to play in that edition of rules, (made conversions easy, because it was like having an excuse to dust off the old orange spined books of 1st edition.
The best part for me with this game is the chance to possibly someday submit or contribute something to it. In my opinion the best kind of game allows players and actively encourages them to pitch in, so it's really more everybody's game than it is a brand & logo without any real care for a fan following.
To me the biggest joy is creating something, a campaign setting, a new class or race. I just wanted to say thank you to Paizo for letting us have the chance to continue our work, of designing new things and enjoying the game for a very long time to come.
Look at history, How many Campaign settings do you remember? How many really hooked you and rubbed off on your own home-made ones?
Core rules are the base for every player & GM, what you add after that tends to make it more & more your own style of gameplay.
So hey, thanks to all of you at Paizo for giving us the chance to continue our own homegrown Campaign Setting.
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What I love about PF is the chance you have to continue the home grown campaign you started, [...] New edition comes out so now you have to re-do everything, from re-tweaking the classes of NPC's and rulers.
Maybe I am being dense, but what would be stopping you continuing your 3.5 campaign if PF RPG wasn't being released?
Unless you are getting brand new players into your group who want a copy of the core rules but who weren't able to find a copy of D&D3.5 PHB anywhere (despite eBay and the likes) I can't see a reason not to continue with your old campaign - unless you see the new edition as something you want to use.
For example, I continued my home group on Shadowrun 3rd edition for quite some time after 4th edition was released. While I ran 4th ed at conventions, I stuck to 3rd ed at home. However we have now converted over to 4th edition and the players are finding it easier (i.e. it was in our interest to go through the pain of converting characters to get smoother gameplay).
Regarding D&D. I like the Eberron campaign setting, and even though I am getting into 4th edition for convention play, I plan to run Eberron with my weekly group using 3.5 (despite the fact that Pathfinder RPG is also played in our group).
When the Eberron books come out fro 4th edition I may run the setting using those at cons, but remain with 3.5 for my home group.
Now, if you mean that a new edition can sometimes mean you struggle to find players to join a new campaign using a setting for an old edition of the rules (either a home brew or pre-published setting), then yes, I guess Pathfinder may help. Is that what you mean?
For example, I continued my home group on Shadowrun 3rd edition for quite some time after 4th edition was released. While I ran 4th ed at conventions, I stuck to 3rd ed at home. However we have now converted over to 4th edition and the players are finding it easier (i.e. it was in our interest to go through the pain of converting characters to get smoother gameplay).
You were able to run Shadowrun 3rd addition? You must be a math Major :)
I don't understand the OP.
Is someone waiting outside to "ensure" (in a not-pleasant way) that I can't continue my 3.5 game?
Whew... glad I somehow managed to get by 'em and make it to the office today!
New edition comes out so now you have to re-do everything, from re-tweaking the classes of NPC's and rulers. Add new rules here and there, or just play the last edition to a turning point in the ages and craft a new age for your players. With new rules, etc.
I think that normally, that's not a big deal. Classes pretty much do the very thing they did before, so they still have the same place in the setting. Same for races, which you'll adapt to your world, anyway.
As for NPCs: If you have recurring NPCs that had stats before and need stats again now then yes, you'll have to redo them. But I think that doesn't happen that often: If they have stats, it's usually because you want the PCs to kill them, and then they won't survive a minute, much less the time it takes for an edition to change.
Things get hairy only when a new edition takes steps to render the old settings and stories unusable.... I'm not having anything special in mind here, mind you ;-P
I always made it so that if a charcater wanted to play a certain age or era of my homemade campaign setting, that they needed to play in that edition of rules, (made conversions easy, because it was like having an excuse to dust off the old orange spined books of 1st edition.
To be honest, I really hate that sort of thing. The world's rules don't change, it's just that the rules we use to simulate that world change. That warrior-type elf with the two swords will be the same, it's just the rules that describe him change (and hopefully, they enable you to match the rules more closely to the concept you had in mind).
They did something like that with the Forgotten Realms for 4e: The change of rules caused massive changes to the setting to shoehorn it into the new rules. So now, if you want to stick to canon, you cannot play old eras with new rules or vice versa (an old wizard, for example, couldn't play in the 4e era because the source of his power - the Weave - doesn't exist any more, and a new wizard couldn't work in older times because back then it wasn't possible to manipulate magic the way they do).
That's needlessly limiting. The rules are there to servet he story, not vice versa.
That was the reason I stopped buying products from wotc.
Look at history, How many Campaign settings do you remember? How many really hooked you and rubbed off on your own home-made ones?
I usually use established campaign settings rather than build my own, but I can remember several:
I know of others, but never really played there.
So hey, thanks to all of you at Paizo for giving us the chance to continue our own homegrown Campaign Setting.
For a D&D game, it goes without saying that it supports a great range of gaming styles and worlds. If it doesn't provide that, it's not D&D any more.
You were able to run Shadowrun 3rd addition? You must be a math Major :)
For example, I continued my home group on Shadowrun 3rd edition for quite some time after 4th edition was released. While I ran 4th ed at conventions, I stuck to 3rd ed at home. However we have now converted over to 4th edition and the players are finding it easier (i.e. it was in our interest to go through the pain of converting characters to get smoother gameplay).
I used to run Shadowrun 2nd ed. and 3rd ed. when it came out. And I'm no math major :P (But yea it is ALOT of bookkeeping, not to mention Npcs restocking thanks to crazed trigger happy runners for players :)
As to the OP I understand the sentiment but also am curious why you feel you wouldn't have been able to continue your games as is without PFRPG? Just curious, especially since youve already mentioned you dust off the older sets and still run them. :)
