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Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Today we're introducing a new tool that you can use to help alert Paizo staff to problematic posts on our messageboards. Next to the "reply" link, you'll see a new "flag" link. If you see a post that breaks our messageboards guidelines, please click the link and let us know. You'll get a drop-down menu where you can select the reason you're flagging the post, with these options:


  • Personal insult/abusive
  • Offensive/sexist/racist content
  • Copyright/intellectual property infringement
  • Breaks other guidelines
  • Double post
  • Needs spoiler tag
  • BBCode markup/display problem
  • Just wanted to try the flagging system

When you flag a post, you'll bring it to the attention of Paizo staff, and we'll figure out what we want to do about it. (If we think the post is fine, we'll do nothing.)

This is not a Slashdot-style karma system, nor is it a Digg-style up/downvoting system. It's not automatic, and it's not democratic -- there is no threshold whereby a particular number of flags will cause a post to get deleted or a community member to be given a timeout.

We'll also never post lists of top-flagged posts, top-flagged posters or people who flag the most posts. We may use this kind of data internally to guide our decisions, but we do not want this system to be gamed -- we want it to be useful.

A suggestion: If you flag a post, leave it at that. Posting "I totally flagged your post, dude," won't help the conversation. I know it's hard to avoid responding when someone's just said something outrageously offensive, but we'll see it if you flag it, and we'll take care of it if we need to.

I think 99.9 percent of the conversation on our messageboards is good stuff. This tool will help us find the .1 percent that isn't.


Cool!

Can we also have a category for spam or otherwise meaningless posts? I mean that Heathansson guy is just out of control, you know?

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Actual spam would count under "breaks other guidelines." There isn't a separate flag for each one of our guidelines because we don't have a big problem with most of them.

Liberty's Edge Contributor

Thanks, Gary. It's a shame you folks have to spend so much time bothering with this kind of stuff. Hopefully, creative measures like this will help things, so you guys can get back to more enjoyable projects.

Dark Archive

I nearly flagged myself. Talk about surprised!


Gary Teter wrote:
Actual spam would count under "breaks other guidelines." There isn't a separate flag for each one of our guidelines because we don't have a big problem with most of them.

Gary knows I was being facetious....


Nice.

This should allay our feelings of impotence.


Today,


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An alias can't protect you from the righteousness of my flags, dogboy!


toyrobots wrote:

Nice.

This should allay our feelings of impotence.

So, when did these feelings begin? Can you tell me a little something about your mother?

Liberty's Edge

Kruelaid wrote:
An alias can't protect you from the righteousness of my flags, dogboy!

Yo mama's flagging.


Kruelaid wrote:
An alias can't protect you from the righteousness of my flags, dogboy!

But his unseen ethereal ally can. Eat flag death infidel!! ~grins~

Actually I'm kind of bummed out over the new expressly PC Paizo boards.


I hope the cults are not to be flagged... There would be hundres of homeless Poodles.... :(

*Goes to Poodle HQ to put up a sign of "Be less Yappity"*

Sovereign Court

Well as someone who occasionally gets a little hotheaded and meanly sarcastic in his responses I have to say that while it's dissapointing to need such a tool, maybe it will help folks like me to remember to keep it level headed once in a while.

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

therealthom wrote:
Actually I'm kind of bummed out over the new expressly PC Paizo boards.

I don't think they were ever un-PC, at least on the whole. There were some threads and posts that veered far into hateful and bigoted speech but for the most part, I think that people's opinions have been and will continue to be fair game. But gay bashing or racism were never allowed, so no change there.

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Gary Teter wrote:
I think 99.9 percent of the conversation on our messageboards is good stuff. This tool will help us find the .1 percent that isn't.

I think this line was really important, so I felt like 'repeating' it.


well I hate that it came to this but it is a simple feature. I do hope it helps


yoda8myhead wrote:
therealthom wrote:
Actually I'm kind of bummed out over the new expressly PC Paizo boards.
I don't think they were ever un-PC, at least on the whole. There were some threads and posts that veered far into hateful and bigoted speech but for the most part, I think that people's opinions have been and will continue to be fair game. But gay bashing or racism were never allowed, so no change there.

I'd agree by and large the boards here are usually civil with exceptions. That's why it's so disappointing that Paizo feels they must post explicit guidelines and introduce the flagging system. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't, if they didn't feel it was thrust upon them.


PostMonster General:
May I try and flag one of your posts on this thread as an experiment?

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Sure, that's what the "just wanted to try the flagging system" option is for.


Are you suggesting that Gary's code needs further testing?

That sounds flaggable!


therealthom wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
therealthom wrote:
Actually I'm kind of bummed out over the new expressly PC Paizo boards.
I don't think they were ever un-PC, at least on the whole. There were some threads and posts that veered far into hateful and bigoted speech but for the most part, I think that people's opinions have been and will continue to be fair game. But gay bashing or racism were never allowed, so no change there.
I'd agree by and large the boards here are usually civil with exceptions. That's why it's so disappointing that Paizo feels they must post explicit guidelines and introduce the flagging system. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't, if they didn't feel it was thrust upon them.

The way I see it they are:

(1) Asking us to help them moderate. This system means they don't have to prowl the boards looking for abuse.

and

(2) Putting some faith in us. This tells me that they trust us to judge for ourselves what they need to look at and what they don't.

So the way I see it, this isn't in any way a move toward being more PC, or toward more control of what we're posting. It's just taking the current policies and deploying them more efficiently.


niffty I flagged gary

Paizo Employee Director of Brand Strategy

seekerofshadowlight wrote:
niffty I flagged gary

So did I. That guy's totally getting put in time out.


Kruelaid wrote:


The way I see it they are:

(1) Asking us to help them moderate. This system means they don't have to prowl the boards looking for abuse.

and

(2) Putting some faith in us. This tells me that they trust us to judge for ourselves what they need to look at and what they don't.

So the way I see it, this isn't in any way a move toward being more PC, or toward more control of what we're posting. It's just taking the current policies and deploying them more efficiently.

Yeah, I see your point. Just -- do we really need to be told this?

Do not use profanity or vulgar speech;
Do not make bigoted, hateful, or racially insensitive statements;
Do not defame, abuse, stalk, harass, or threaten others;
Do not advocate illegal activities or discuss them with intent to commit them;
Do not post any content that infringes and/or violates any patent, trademark, copyright, or other proprietary right of any third party.

*despair*

That and the whole 4E vitriol thing left me pretty sceptical of anyone's use of "fun". :)


Gary Teter wrote:
Sure, that's what the "just wanted to try the flagging system" option is for.

Yay! Flagged the first post on this thread, as an experiment.

Sovereign Court

I think it's a good idea . . . as long we don't go overboard with the flagging

-having said that I'm sure to get flagged :(

Sovereign Court

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Is is inappropriate to refer to an over zealous flagger as a Flagger?


DitheringFool wrote:
Is is inappropriate to refer to an over zealous flagger as a Flagger?

Or a Happy Flagger? :D

(Or maybe even a Flag Happy Flagger... Umm. This is starting to get dangerously twisted.)

Sovereign Court

I'm glad it's three steps to actually complete a flagging, otherwise I'm sure I'd have accidentally flagged like eight people on the boards I'm starting to consider friends (in a virtual sort of way)

Sovereign Court

Okay I'm done now :) I just had to find out if you could flag yourself

Spoiler:
Yes you can


DitheringFool wrote:
Is is inappropriate to refer to an over zealous flagger as a Flagger?

Flaggot!


Kruelaid wrote:
DitheringFool wrote:
Is is inappropriate to refer to an over zealous flagger as a Flagger?
Flaggot!

Flagellent?

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

I think I'm going to be really glad that flags marked "just trying out the flagging system" don't actually get written to the database...


I can see the new aliases already: the Flagenator, Colonel Flag, Flaggelan...


Gary Teter wrote:
I think I'm going to be really glad that flags marked "just trying out the flagging system" don't actually get written to the database...

Interesting. It's now listed as "flagged" so I can't flag it repeatedly.

Grand Lodge

Kruelaid wrote:
I can see the new aliases already: the Flagenator, Colonel Flag, Flaggelan...

The Flaggings will continue until morale improves!

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

You can only ever flag a post once, unless you're using the "just trying out the flagging system" reason. If you refresh the page you'll see the "flagged" thing go away on those.


Let the Flogging begin! ~reread the post~ DRAT!!! Flagging! Fine! Take all my fun away!

Silver Crusade

Gary Teter wrote:

A suggestion: If you flag a post, leave it at that. Posting "I totally flagged your post, dude," won't help the conversation. I know it's hard to avoid responding when someone's just said something outrageously offensive, but we'll see it if you flag it, and we'll take care of it if we need to.

Totally hoping everyone takes this to heart.

And I'm proud of myself for refraining from flagging the opening post.

Even if it's just because everyone has beaten me to the punch.

Sovereign Court

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
Gary Teter wrote:
You can only ever flag a post once, unless you're using the "just trying out the flagging system" reason. If you refresh the page you'll see the "flagged" thing go away on those.

Does that constitute dabbling or all-out flag experimentation?

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Must...resist...urge...to flag every post ever written...by those...on my...enemies list...

Seriously though, I think I should get a prize when I get to the point where I have more flags than posts. I'm not asking for anything big, just the right to change the official pronounciation of Paizo to Pay-zoh, which is how I say it.

Pie-Zoh just makes me hungry.

Liberty's Edge

Sebastian wrote:

Must...resist...urge...to flag every post ever written...by those...on my...enemies list...

Seriously though, I think I should get a prize when I get to the point where I have more flags than posts...

so...award ceremony tomorrow afternoon at the sizzler? ;)


Gary Teter wrote:
I think I'm going to be really glad that flags marked "just trying out the flagging system" don't actually get written to the database...

Ah, I see that you are starting to anticipate the mindset of some of us posters.... :D

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

Sebastian wrote:
Must...resist...urge...to flag every post ever written...by those...on my...enemies list...

I'm glad I'm fairly far down on that list. You'll easily get in trouble before getting to me.

(or you can start with this one...Richard.)

Liberty's Edge

Gary, how about a flag for 'should be moved to another forum'? I know that Vic is pretty good at keeping up with misplaced threads and moving them to the right areas ... but is this something that you would like the community to look at too?

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Ooooh, Mothman that's a pretty good idea. We'll talk it over. Thanks!

Paizo Employee Director of Narrative

I second that. Good call, Mothy!

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