I think you'll like this book, Finding Battlestar. It's the first book I've gotten published in, so I'm kinda excited. (I wrote the chapter on Jane Espenson.) I hope you'll forgive me for the self-promotion/squeeing with delight.
If people have any questions, I'm more than happy to provide a free scouting report for those people interested in the series.
I think you'll like this book, Finding Battlestar. It's the first book I've gotten published in, so I'm kinda excited. (I wrote the chapter on Jane Espenson.) I hope you'll forgive me for the self-promotion/squeeing with delight.
If people have any questions, I'm more than happy to provide a free scouting report for those people interested in the series.
Sorry if i sound dumb but would you mind giving us a brief idea what the book is about?
I'm assuming its to do with the series, but the original or the remake?
Okay I guess I'll wiki up on Jane Espenson whilst I'm waiting!
Okay new series she's apparently writing the script for the second BSG movie.
There's a bunch of articles on different topics:
One chapter compares the old series to the new one. It looks at the alterations, but also why the old series made it on the air (Star Wars), the original creator's themes, and how the fandom survived between the two series.
There's some stuff on polytheism and monotheism, mythology and astrology. There's a chapter on the sex and what it means on the series. There's excellent chapters on directors Michael Rymer and Marita Grabiak. I like my chapter on Jane Espenson's two episodes, The Passage and Dirty Hands. There's chapters on "Cylon-Verite" (the look of the series), Razor, and the webisodes.
And there's a chapter called, "Frakking up: When Battlestar Goes Awry."
The link to the book on amazon is here:
Go to Finding Battlestar.
Let me know if people want more detail. I've read the book so I can say more.
There's a bunch of articles on different topics:
One chapter compares the old series to the new one. It looks at the alterations, but also why the old series made it on the air (Star Wars), the original creator's themes, and how the fandom survived between the two series.
There's some stuff on polytheism and monotheism, mythology and astrology. There's a chapter on the sex and what it means on the series. There's excellent chapters on directors Michael Rymer and Marita Grabiak. I like my chapter on Jane Espenson's two episodes, The Passage and Dirty Hands. There's chapters on "Cylon-Verite" (the look of the series), Razor, and the webisodes.
And there's a chapter called, "Frakking up: When Battlestar Goes Awry."
The link to the book on amazon is here:
Go to Finding Battlestar.
Let me know if people want more detail. I've read the book so I can say more.
Whats your opinion on the changes between the old and the new series?
What I'd like to know is how they compared the old and new series such as the reasons behind changing Baltar for instance or the introduction of the human Cylons do they give their reasoning for why that change in particular?
Whats your opinion on the changes between the old and the new series?
What I'd like to know is how they compared the old and new series such as the reasons behind changing Baltar for instance or the introduction of the human Cylons do they give their reasoning for why that change in particular?
Give me a while on the last question; I can post in a couple of hours on that.
As for the first question, the new series is light years better. I took a look at the old series on hulu.com. Wow. Great concept, but the execution was hamstrung by the fact that their time slot made it a children's show.
Some examples.... after the genocide of the Cylons, the military and spiritual leader of the fleet takes a ship with a single fighter escort to look for his wife's body. Admirable sentiment? Surely. Remotely plausible to send your last and best leader out like that, abandoning the fleet? No.
Then there's the fact that Apollo in the first two episodes is macking on a woman who's husband was vaporized not 48 hours earlier. And that it's not represented as remotely problematic? And then, he takes the civilian woman and her little boy on the first mission after the attack! There's never any sense that billions just died: no anger, depression, alcohol abuse...
Now, on the new series, the characters look like we did post-9/11, only much worse. They are haunted, for seasons, by what's happened. It informs all their triumphs and all their mistakes. And they make really big, hard-to-forgive mistakes.
That's not to say that it's unconnected to the original series; it uses many of the original plot points of the original series, in fact. It's just not hamstrung by being restricted to models for FX, by being a "family-friendly" post-apocalypse series (!), or by being on broadcast TV.
And the new series is just beautifully filmed. The old one was as well, actually, but in a Star Wars sort of way. But this one... the look of the series was the first thing they came up with. It's gritty, yet the space battles are just thrilling.
To my mind, it's BSG and The Wire for the best thing on TV the last few years.
What I'd like to know is how they compared the old and new series such as the reasons behind changing Baltar for instance or the introduction of the human Cylons do they give their reasoning for why that change in particular?
With Baltar, they emphasized his role for several reasons. First, even in the original 1970s series, they realized that this was an interesting character. He had been supposed to die in the pilot, but they re-shot it to bring his character back. The fact that it's an interesting character is one of the reasons they made him more central. Second, they picked up on the original actor's use of enigma and contrast; specifically, they liked that mix of cunning, self-involvement and naivete. Third, they cast an actor who warranted the screen time for the intense psychological readings demanded of the role.
With the human Cylon question, I'm not sure if you mean the Final Five or if you mean that they look like humans now. Can you clarify?
With the human Cylon question, I'm not sure if you mean the Final Five or if you mean that they look like humans now. Can you clarify?
What got me wondering is that if they really wanted to covertly reenter humanities ranks it would have been far easier and less complex if it was revealed they had infected certain people with a nanovirus that effectively turned them into the Cylon-human hybrids instead of coming up with a Cylon variant that could pass as human even though they couldn't have been sure it would have worked unless they had inside help on perfecting the process.
Its just that having a multiple but finite number of replicants that couldn't be detected except for the fact there was a number of duplicates with the same appearance which should have alerted someone in charge that something was going on.
A nanovirus designed to link them to a Cylon hive mind would have made things more understandable since they could in turn throw in the fact anyone could be a cylon spy its just that fifty years with little or no contact with the colonies make it extremely unlikely they could have come up with such a perfect way of passing off as human and then there's the little detail of all this happening before...
Did they explain how and why behind the human cylons?
(I guess that requires clarifying too)
What got me wondering is that if they really wanted to covertly reenter humanities ranks it would have been far easier and less complex if it was revealed they had infected certain people with a nanovirus that effectively turned them into the Cylon-human hybrids instead of coming up with a Cylon variant that could pass as human even though they couldn't have been sure it would have worked unless they had inside help on perfecting the process.
Not in the book, but my answer would be that that's what having sex with humans and having babies accomplishes. Also, the Cylons seem to have been designed over more than a decade to win a war via infiltration and domination. Not having duplicates be noticed is easier when there's billions of people, but much harder when it's 40K. They've lost the advantages of surprise and time to prepare and create technologies specific to their needs. Their Plan B shouldn't be as well thought out, as Plan A had such a huge chance of working.
The book does not explain why the human Cylons, as it was written before season four. I think we still don't know the whys of that until the end of 4.5, if that's what they're calling it, or the TV movie.
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Season 4 Part 2 commences in USA and Canada from January 15th.
Having just seen Season 4 Part 1
Season 4 Part 2 Trailer on youtube looks like the second half is about Humans revolting against their own (self Appointed, Cylon hugging) Leaders.
~WHAPS Heathy with a fresh carp until he forgets what was just posted~ Now do you remember, Were-Mutt?
The Plan? When was that aired? I do not have that one, I think.
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The Plan? When was that aired? I do not have that one, I think.
THE PLAN: Not out but it covers the Cylon Infiltration of the twelve Colonies. So it probably begins with the cylon capture of a Pilot named Bulldog (remember him?) over the Armistice Line, then the Cylons decision to investigate the Human race and find out what is going on with these little black op incursions, Infiltration of the High Command, then a decision to Eliminate the Wretched Humans once and for all.
So when DOES it come out? Just wondering. Thanks for the info!
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What else happens now that you gave that away for me.Oops! Sorry Heathy stick yo head in d' sand and pretend I lied about what happens in Season 4.
BSG Movies:
RAZOR
THE PLAN
I wont tell you what happens in either of these.
Why I got to stick my head in the sand?
Oh, hell no you ditint.You did not tell me to to go stick my head in the stand.
You did not.
What you DID do is you went, and you learned to use the damn spoiler tags, and you spoilered the information, so you didn't spoiler anybody else who didn't want that junk spoilered.
That's what you did.
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I added the spoiler tag. For shows I haven't seen yet but plan to watch sometime. Thanks, yellowdingo!
Actually The Plan is still in production (since September) and James Edward Olmos is Directing the movie. Thus any conversation on "THE PLAN" is pure speculation.
However: The BSG Series now being over - all the props are being Auctioned off: So you can buy that Cylon Raider, Colonial Viper or Raptor.
What will probably interest you all (being fans) is the Caprica SERIES which is set fifty years before BSG. To be developed in 2010AD.
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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However: The BSG Series now being over - all the props are being Auctioned off: So you can buy that Cylon Raider, Colonial Viper or Raptor.
Can I buy a number 8, that's the important question, dingo ;-)
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However: The BSG Series now being over - all the props are being Auctioned off: So you can buy that Cylon Raider, Colonial Viper or Raptor.
Can I buy a number 8, that's the important question, dingo ;-)
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Sorry Matt: I think the 3's, 6's and 8's are unavailable due to unexpected shortages thanks to the acts of Genocide by certain Colonials.
If you want a Gaius Baltar, they can give you an annoying one that only you can see and hear.
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Hey, congratulations, roguerouge! I have a question for you about the new series. Did they ever explain