I see what you're saying about the difference between what will and and won't; but I say that the +2 to INT affects what the elf will play as much as the +2 Dex did, for the elf, and certainly what the +2 Dex did for the halfling.
My problem isn't that it effects what the elf will play. My problem is that it strongly effects what race a wizard should take, so to speak. That elf is well equipped to take many classes, but with the existence of a plus to Int at LA+0, there's just really no comparison. The +2 Int equals +1 DC to all spells, which is better than Spell Focus for every school of magic because it stacks with Spell Focus and GSF, +1 to all knowledge skills and Spellcraft (likely the only skills he'll bother with), and extra spell slots, all stuff pretty much no one else gets with more Int. Rogues don't get anything out of Dex that everyone else doesn't get; they just use it a bit more.
Overpowered is subjective.
Just because you can argue about something doesn't mean it's subjective. It just means it can be difficult to discern, like a complicated science experiment.
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I see what you're saying about the difference between what will and and won't; but I say that the +2 to INT affects what the elf will play as much as the +2 Dex did, for the elf, and certainly what the +2 Dex did for the halfling.My problem isn't that it effects what the elf will play. My problem is that it strongly effects what race a wizard should take, so to speak. That elf is well equipped to take many classes, but with the existence of a plus to Int at LA+0, there's just really no comparison. The +2 Int equals +1 DC to all spells, which is better than Spell Focus for every school of magic because it stacks with Spell Focus and GSF, +1 to all knowledge skills and Spellcraft (likely the only skills he'll bother with), and extra spell slots, all stuff pretty much no one else gets with more Int. Rogues don't get anything out of Dex that everyone else doesn't get; they just use it a bit more.
Overpowered is subjective.Just because you can argue about something doesn't mean it's subjective. It just means it can be difficult to discern, like a complicated science experiment.
Actually it's exactly that. It has nothing to do with arguing or experiments - it simply means that something is viewed as it is within your own mind and personal perception - which may vary significantly from another's. It's relative to you and your style of play which is glaringly non-congruent with mine. Neither of who's are going to change any time soon.
For an actual definition, this was found in Webster's:
1. existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective).
2. pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
3. placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
4. Philosophy. relating to or of the nature of an object as it is known in the mind as distinct from a thing in itself.
5. relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.
6. pertaining to the subject or substance in which attributes inhere; essential.
Regardless, I respect your opinion, and am not trying to change yours on any of it - it is apparent that you have no intention of doing so and instead are merley contending everything being said for the sake of arguement - and I know that my opinions on the matter are similarly not going to be persuaded. You began this thread asking how others felt about this issue - to which I have expressed that and yet again we simply not only disagree but are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. I still have that opinion; and I will continue to feel that way tomorrow. I do not agree with your assessment of the mechanic, your opinions of it, or your logic on how you based said opinions. Similarly it is apparently you feel that way about mine as well. However, I have no time nor preference to continue to belabor nor continue to be contended with every single point made - suffice it to say that you asked for feedback, and you have received mine. Hopefully you can accept that not everyone agrees with you and move on. In regards to this thread there simply isn't any more that needs to be said from my end, as I dont have the time to continue arguing every post I make - the last of which just seems like silly persistence in arguing.
Thank you for the discussion, and I'll see you elsewhere on the boards.
Robert