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Oliver Stone is releasing a film this fall about the life and presidency of George W. Bush.With James Cromwell as George H.W. Bush, Richard Dryfuss as Dick Cheney, and Josh Brolin as George W. Bush I will probably go see it because I rspect them as actors. However as a conservative and a person who has watched way too many Oliver Stone films I don't hold out much hope for accuracy or objectivity. He doesn't even do a good job of getting it right when he's talking about liberals.
My favorite line, "Who do you think you are, a Kennedy?"
Anyway, that's my rant. Let me know what you think of this project.
Oliver Stone has become a wack-job. Of course there are some folks that agree with his views in his movies so I am sure someone will go see it.
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Is it going to delve into about how Cheney and Rove used their evil mental powers to seize control of the government and start the war on terror as part of their insidious plan to spread the Arby's fast-food chain across the planet?
If not, then I refuse to see it.
It's El Pollo Loco, not Arby's, but otherwise yeah.
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It's not going to be a movie meant to please conservatives or liberals. Wouldn't be any point. Having seen the trailer it looks to be about his transition from young f$!! up (which is pretty well documented whether you are a fan of him or not) to filling the shoes of his family's political ambition. I don't like Bush at all, but it is an interesting story how he went from who he was to the most powerful job in the world.
But the timing is really weird. Why now? It's too much in the moment. This seems like it would have been better with a little time for perspective. Maybe they think it will sell more tickets now. <shrugs>
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But the timing is really weird. Why now? It's too much in the moment. This seems like it would have been better with a little time for perspective. Maybe they think it will sell more tickets now. <shrugs>
Possibly. As a history teacher I will tell you that a little perspective will do a lot to cool the whole "Bush is the worst president ever" riff that people love to sing these days. As I told my class when they asked about it, I would place Bush 43 in the mid-20's. He's not a bad president but he's really not that great either. I mean I'm 35 and he's not even the worst of my lifetime.
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It's El Pollo Loco, not Arby's, but otherwise yeah.Is it going to delve into about how Cheney and Rove used their evil mental powers to seize control of the government and start the war on terror as part of their insidious plan to spread the Arby's fast-food chain across the planet?
If not, then I refuse to see it.
Hmmm....I'm not familiar with that chain name. Perhaps he is changing it to protect someone.
You can't expect much more from Oliver Stone than moderalely-well-crafted conspiracy theories, and as someone who watched and read a lot of conspiracy theories in my teenage years I now find them utterly boring.
Remember, this is a man who, in his 60s, not just admires but adores Fidel Castro.
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Hmmm....I'm not familiar with that chain name. Perhaps he is changing it to protect someone.It's El Pollo Loco, not Arby's, but otherwise yeah.Is it going to delve into about how Cheney and Rove used their evil mental powers to seize control of the government and start the war on terror as part of their insidious plan to spread the Arby's fast-food chain across the planet?
If not, then I refuse to see it.
It's a chain of mexican fast food places that serve up a tasty type of grilled citrus marinaded chicken. I used to love it as a kid, but when I moved away from southern California I had to leave it behind. But now they have opened one in St. George, Utah which is less than 50 miles from my house. Happy days are here again. Look for one near you.
Maybe they think it will sell more tickets now.
Are you kidding me? Of course they will. It is en vogue to hate on W right now. In a few years, the short attention span … they want $11 million for a picture of the twins?! What was I talking about?
I’d go to see it, but the part where Bush rips off his shirt and strangles Saddam to death with his bare hands pushes it up to an “R” rating.
"Daddah says howdy!"
Dude. Southpark is just a cartoon.
Well...crap. I don't watch it, did someone beat me to the punch?
After V, comes W? Huh. I'm holding out for X.
If only someone had asked..."Y?"
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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It's not going to be a movie meant to please conservatives or liberals. Wouldn't be any point. Having seen the trailer it looks to be about his transition from young f@~~ up (which is pretty well documented whether you are a fan of him or not) to filling the shoes of his family's political ambition. I don't like Bush at all, but it is an interesting story how he went from who he was to the most powerful job in the world.
But the timing is really weird. Why now? It's too much in the moment. This seems like it would have been better with a little time for perspective. Maybe they think it will sell more tickets now. <shrugs>
Hmmm, it's scheduled for release less than a month before a major presidential election. I say "major" because it's Bush's 2nd term and he can't be re-elected which makes a Democratic victory more likely.
Considering that Oliver Stone falls pretty heavily into the liberal side of the political spectrum, I feel pretty confident in saying that the release is timed to:
a) try and sway fence-sitting voters away from McCain (the default Republican candidate), and
b) flip Bush the proverbial bird on his way out of office.
Just my guess though.
-Skeld
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Considering that Oliver Stone falls pretty heavily into the liberal side of the political spectrum, I feel pretty confident in saying that the release is timed to:
a) try and sway fence-sitting voters away from McCain (the default Republican candidate), and
b) flip Bush the proverbial bird on his way out of office.Just my guess though.
-Skeld
Given the general regard Oliver Stone receives even from liberals, he's more likely to stir up a backlash in the other direction. I'm not a Bush fan, but this is just ammunition for Fox. 'Oh, liberals are all so mean! And angry! And disrespectful!'
Considering that Oliver Stone falls pretty heavily into the liberal side of the political spectrum, I feel pretty confident in saying that the release is timed to:
a) try and sway fence-sitting voters away from McCain (the default Republican candidate), and
b) flip Bush the proverbial bird on his way out of office.Just my guess though.
-Skeld
Given the general regard Oliver Stone receives even from liberals, he's more likely to stir up a backlash in the other direction. I'm not a Bush fan, but this is just ammunition for Fox. 'Oh, liberals are all so mean! And angry! And disrespectful!'
I've watched Fox many times and I've never heard them say anything like this.
I've had to live through eight years of the W administration. Why in the hell would I pay nine bucks to watch the condensed version?
I like Ike.
Yea I remember when the old coot was senile and Nancy was wheeling out the astrologer for policy guidance. Classic.
Funny how everyone takes the writings of an embittered ex-employee as Established Fact on Nancy Reagan. Yes, Ronald Reagan did get Alzheimers. Does that invalidate everything he ever did because he suffered from a horrible disease later in life? What was Carter's excuse? I wish the Republicans still believed in smaller government, I might still be one. Reagan at least had the fortitude to go up against a Democratically-controlled Congress and fight for budget cuts, something this current administration has consistently failed to do.
Oliver Stone has become a wack-job. Of course there are some folks that agree with his views in his movies so I am sure someone will go see it.
I find it increasingly funny (in a scary kind of way) that everyone who has a contrary opinion to yours (general you) is a wack-job, nutcase, fruit bat, numbskull etc. (and that goes for both sides of the aisle).
Agreed, some people are some or all of the above, but I doubt it's their political affiliation which has made them that way.
They just are... no wait, it's probably the secret US government mind control experiments which made them that way.
Brb, someone's at the door...
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I mean I'm 35 and he's not even the worst of my lifetime.
Interesting, I'm 35 also, and he's the worst president of my lifetime. Perspective is a funny thing. Granted, I come from an archaeology background, so I look at the long game differently.
Edit for fuller disclosure: I was also against the little retard when he was running for Governor of Texas. I remember watching the campaign coverage and thinking "This can't end well."
Just you watch folks! When he comes back he'll be chanting "I'm thinking Arbys".... no wait, it's probably the secret US government mind control experiments which made them that way.
Brb, someone's at the door...
Nah, it was just some crazy guy in a crazy chicken suit...
I mean I'm 35 and he's not even the worst of my lifetime.Interesting, I'm 35 also, and he's the worst president of my lifetime. Perspective is a funny thing. Granted, I come from an archaeology background, so I look at the long game differently.
Edit for fuller disclosure: I was also against the little retard when he was running for Governor of Texas. I remember watching the campaign coverage and thinking "This can't end well."
Well, it's one thing to not like Bush, it's another another thing to start name calling. Act your age.
Nah, it was just some crazy guy in a crazy chicken suit...
Don't take any coupons from him...
After V, comes W? Huh. I'm holding out for X.
Somebody already did a Malcum X movie. Or are you waiting for the Xavior Roberts movie?
Let's see:
(1) 10 foot pole
(2) Political thread
Ummmm.... no.
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Well, it's one thing to not like Bush, it's another another thing to start name calling. Act your age.
I am... 35 years of being disgusted with politics. Bush is just the primary topic of conversation for this thread. For the record, I lambaste and insult all sides equally. It's part of the joy of being independent (Chaotic Snarky).
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I mean I'm 35 and he's not even the worst of my lifetime.Interesting, I'm 35 also, and he's the worst president of my lifetime. Perspective is a funny thing. Granted, I come from an archaeology background, so I look at the long game differently.
Just out of curiosity, what about his presidency makes you feel that he is the worst? I'm talking policies not personality.
Just out of curiosity, what about his presidency makes you feel that he is the worst? I'm talking policies not personality.
Expansion of presidential priviledge to insane levels against all forms of checks and balances tops my list of why his adminsitration, historically, will continue to look bad.
Illegal spying on Americans.Letting a war situation slide with inattention by cooking evidence to get into another war... and ignoring advice from every quarter of specialized professionals about how to do it and what repercussions we can expect.
Running a big deficit because of tax cuts, knowing full well that most times a country goes to war it costs more money.
Ignoring warnings about terrorist activity in the US.
Sub-contracting services out to mercenary organizations that are deliberately protected from legal repercussions of what they do.
Basing everything they do on the political aspect of it, alienating even his own appointees.
Throwing science under the bus by consistently delaying or demanding the editing of testimony and studies by government agencies like the EPA because they contradict the administration's political views.
Blatant disregard for laws as passed via his infamous signing statements (and appointing signing statement proponent Alito to the Supreme Court).
Sanction and use of torture and kidnapping, sorry, "extraordinary rendition".
There were also a lot of things I didn't agree with the Reagan administration about. But you know what? I never held Reagan in the same level of contempt. Why? Reagan, personally, at least had a vision of what he wanted America to be. He had a lot of experience across the US, speaking to people, meeting with them and, while I think his vision was pretty foggy, he at least had one. I get no sense of that from Bush. I get one from Cheney, but that one's just a nightmare of presidential power no matter the cost.
Just out of curiosity, what about his presidency makes you feel that he is the worst? I'm talking policies not personality.Expansion of presidential priviledge to insane levels against all forms of checks and balances tops my list of why his adminsitration, historically, will continue to look bad.
Illegal spying on Americans.
Letting a war situation slide with inattention by cooking evidence to get into another war... and ignoring advice from every quarter of specialized professionals about how to do it and what repercussions we can expect.
Running a big deficit because of tax cuts, knowing full well that most times a country goes to war it costs more money.
Ignoring warnings about terrorist activity in the US.
Sub-contracting services out to mercenary organizations that are deliberately protected from legal repercussions of what they do.
Basing everything they do on the political aspect of it, alienating even his own appointees.
Throwing science under the bus by consistently delaying or demanding the editing of testimony and studies by government agencies like the EPA because they contradict the administration's political views.
Blatant disregard for laws as passed via his infamous signing statements (and appointing signing statement proponent Alito to the Supreme Court).
Sanction and use of torture and kidnapping, sorry, "extraordinary rendition".There were also a lot of things I didn't agree with the Reagan administration about. But you know what? I never held Reagan in the same level of contempt. Why? Reagan, personally, at least had a vision of what he wanted America to be. He had a lot of experience across the US, speaking to people, meeting with them and, while I think his vision was pretty foggy, he at least had one. I get no sense of that from Bush. I get one from Cheney, but that one's just a nightmare of presidential power no matter the cost.
Bill, where are you getting this info from? DailyKos? Huffington Post?
I'm not trying to start a flame war I'm just curious.