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I'm in the dissenting opinion I guess. Though I do have some minor problems with FC, overall I'm pretty happy with the direction of the DCU.

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In my opinion, all FC is doing with the deaths of Martian Manhunter and Batman is mirroring the deaths of Supergirl and Barry Allen in Crisis on Infinite Earths. And, in the case of Batman at least, they're not even trying to pretend that Bruce is dead permanently. They've, either Morrison or Didio (or both) have discussed in interviews how this story line will last until sometime in 2010.

I for one like it when the worst things happen to my favorite characters (I was first introduced to DC through Griffin's JL, so Blue Beetle and Martian Manhunter are two of my personal favorites), and if DC is guilty of anything right now, I think it's the returns of Hal Jordan and Barry Allen. Barry had the most heroic death in comics ever and it makes me a little sad to se that (and Wally's place in the world) lessened by his return.


Abbasax wrote:

I'm in the dissenting opinion I guess. Though I do have some minor problems with FC, overall I'm pretty happy with the direction of the DCU.

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Well . . .

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I do agree about Barry's death and return. As much as he is a classic figure, Wally, in a lot of ways, did what Dick Greyson never could . . . he dealt with a huge legacy and made it his own, and came across as a lot more fun and charismatic than I remember Barry being as well.

Martian Manhunter is the soul of the Justice League, and I can't really get behind this either. I kind of feel bad that his death is so obviously overshadowed by Bruce's.

The fact that Bruce's death may not be permanent really isn't much of a consolation for me.

The fact that there is even a hint of another Azrael series in conjunction with someone else inheriting Batman's mantle just floors me.

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I'm not too thrilled with...

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...the return of Barry Allen either. His death was, for many, one of the defining moments of the DCU and the original Crisis. It transformed many other characters - especially Wally. That has now all been thrown away.

The death of Martian Manhunter has also pissed me off. I've enjoyed that character for almost 25 years, and hate to see him killed off on some whim. I hope they bring him back.

Batman's death, while disappointing, would be more acceptable to me if (a)it had been written by someone who actuallt respects the character, and (b) there was a clear line of succession that went directly to Nightwing.

All in all, I hope FC spells the end of both Grant Morrison's and Dan Didio's work in comics.

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Aberzombie wrote:

I'm not too thrilled with...

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All in all, I hope FC spells the end of both Grant Morrison's and Dan Didio's work in comics.

Grant Morrison is, IMO, an excellent writer, but he does not play well in a shared universe. I enjoyed All-Star Superman and all his non-DCU, non-Marvel work. So, I wouldn't want is career to end.

Dan Didio, on the other hand...

Scarab Sages

Well, I just finished with the last of the Final Crisis story (if you want to call it that). That was one of the most disjointed, senseless pieces of so-called writing I have ever read. I'm almost ashamed of myself for buying it. The pages that make it up aren't even worthy of lining the bottom of a bird cage.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Well, I just finished with the last of the Final Crisis story (if you want to call it that). That was one of the most disjointed, senseless pieces of so-called writing I have ever read. I'm almost ashamed of myself for buying it. The pages that make it up aren't even worthy of lining the bottom of a bird cage.

Ouch. I read alot of scathing reviews of that issue. Yes, Morrison plays better on Vertigo type titles. I think he tries too hard to be Alan Moore, and no one can match him IMO.

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But the other being Green Lantern: The Blackest Night

Aberzombie wrote:

I'm not too thrilled with...

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From what I understand DC Direct April Solicitations have revealed Martian Manhunter, Kal-L and Firestorm will be returning as members of the Black Lantern Corp

Also some may not agree, but this the coolest comic page I've seen in awhile


Aberzombie wrote:
Well, I just finished with the last of the Final Crisis story (if you want to call it that). That was one of the most disjointed, senseless pieces of so-called writing I have ever read. I'm almost ashamed of myself for buying it. The pages that make it up aren't even worthy of lining the bottom of a bird cage.

Mind spoiling that for the rest of us so we can avoid looking at it? You DID just take one for the team by doing that . . . .

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Lathiira wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Well, I just finished with the last of the Final Crisis story (if you want to call it that). That was one of the most disjointed, senseless pieces of so-called writing I have ever read. I'm almost ashamed of myself for buying it. The pages that make it up aren't even worthy of lining the bottom of a bird cage.
Mind spoiling that for the rest of us so we can avoid looking at it? You DID just take one for the team by doing that . . . .

Well, that's just it, the story didn't really make much sense to me. When I said "disjointed", I meant it - especially this last issue. It jumped all over the place. This was the same problem I had with the Batman R.I.P. writing. Morrison seems to be trying so hard to make a complex, clever story, that he fails to write something that even makes sense.

I also collected the 5 issue Final Crisis:Revelations, concerning the battle between a Cain possessed Vandal Savage, the Spectre, the new Question, and some others. That was written by Greg Rucka, and was a far more impressive piece of work.

In the end, there are many talented writers who could have done a far better job with Final Crisis than Morrison did. Among those I wish they would have gotten are: the aforementioned Mr. Rucka, Paul Dini, Marv Wolfman, Mark Waid, or maybe Geoff Johns. Sadly, Didio dropped the ball.


Aberzombie wrote:


Stuff.

I've been reading Final Crisis: Revelations and when the inevitable trade paperback occurs I'll pick that up. I agree with your assessment of things over there, Final Crisis has been a mess.


Just got Legion of Superheroes #50 and it is best summed up with "WTF!"

Nothing that was solicited happened in the book, the book was written by "Justin Thyme" suggesting Jim Shooter did not wish his name on it and all the hanging plot threads were just dropped!

No Projecta, no Karate Kid/ Triplicate Girl, and no return of Cosmic Boy!

When I first read it, I had to check and see if I had missed an issue.

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Aberzombie wrote:
Lathiira wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Well, I just finished with the last of the Final Crisis story (if you want to call it that). That was one of the most disjointed, senseless pieces of so-called writing I have ever read. I'm almost ashamed of myself for buying it. The pages that make it up aren't even worthy of lining the bottom of a bird cage.
Mind spoiling that for the rest of us so we can avoid looking at it? You DID just take one for the team by doing that . . . .

Well, that's just it, the story didn't really make much sense to me. When I said "disjointed", I meant it - especially this last issue. It jumped all over the place. This was the same problem I had with the Batman R.I.P. writing. Morrison seems to be trying so hard to make a complex, clever story, that he fails to write something that even makes sense.

I also collected the 5 issue Final Crisis:Revelations, concerning the battle between a Cain possessed Vandal Savage, the Spectre, the new Question, and some others. That was written by Greg Rucka, and was a far more impressive piece of work.

In the end, there are many talented writers who could have done a far better job with Final Crisis than Morrison did. Among those I wish they would have gotten are: the aforementioned Mr. Rucka, Paul Dini, Marv Wolfman, Mark Waid, or maybe Geoff Johns. Sadly, Didio dropped the ball.

AZ, I have to agree with you. Final Crisis was very disappointing overall. Same with teh Batman R.I.P. storyline. Morrison should stick to his creator-owned material and leave the mainstream super-hero tales to those with a better connection to them. I would add Chuck Dixon, Keith Giffen, Gail Simone and Ed Brubaker to the list of writers they should have gotten for Final Crisis instead of Morrison.

Didio has been dropping the ball quite a bit lately.

On a positive note, I am really enjoying the New Krypton storyline in the Superman books. Exciting stuff for a character that can be hard to write for.

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Is the wikipedia entry right? Superman litterally hit the big red reset button?


Matthew Morris wrote:
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I know that everything that's gone wrong since the original Crisis is now being blamed on "Superboy/Superman-Prime punching reality". AS an explanation it sounds sorta lame to me.


KnightErrantJR wrote:
Spoilers for various and sundry messes around the DC Universe lately: [spoiler hidden].

I think you've hit the nail on the head re: Batman.


Dark Psion wrote:

Just got Legion of Superheroes #50 and it is best summed up with "WTF!"

Nothing that was solicited happened in the book, the book was written by "Justin Thyme" suggesting Jim Shooter did not wish his name on it and all the hanging plot threads were just dropped!

No Projecta, no Karate Kid/ Triplicate Girl, and no return of Cosmic Boy!

When I first read it, I had to check and see if I had missed an issue.

I agree it was very disappointing. My understanding is that DC cut the Legion run 4 issues short from what they originally gave shooter, so the storyline he developed should have taken up to issue 54 to tell not end at 50. The writer (Shooter) and the artist both left the comic for different reasons part way through and DC essentially tried to salvage what they could. I suspect there were elements of Shooters script that they used and much of what they didn't use. What Shooter actually had in mind for the next four issues we will never know. All in all, I started out being very optimistic about Shooter taking on the comic as I really enjoyed his Legion from many years ago. Turns out, with the exception of a few issues, I really disliked his run. Here's hoping things improve for the Legion down the road!

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