Drow on cover of Pathfinder 13


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Is that supposed to be a Hand Crossbow she's packin ??

Your going to need a bigger damage die sirs !!!


that is the best drow I have seen in years.


She does look very intimidating and scary... like a real drow should.

... And not a sign of a pair of scimitars, either! Fantastic!

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It is indeed a hand crossbow. Perhaps a bit big, but then again, most of it is razors and knives...


I'm guessing well hoping there is no spider queen how are drow structured?

Liberty's Edge

"And look at that crossbow! You can't get into the good-guy meetings with that kind of accessorizing going on!"

That's what I am talking about! I am totally digging the look. Nice job guys. :)

Sovereign Court

Cool pic, I'm glad to see you guys are using Prescott. :)


Callous Jack wrote:
Cool pic, I'm glad to see you guys are using Prescott. :)

Does someone have a link?

I keep pulling up the cover that has Rukus Graul and his wolf on the cover.. and I've dumped my cookies and temporary internet files...

Grand Lodge

Watcher wrote:


Does someone have a link?

Check the blog Watcher.


Scribbling Rambler wrote:

Check the blog Watcher.

Doh! (smacks forehead)

Thanks!


That's awesome!

(applauds)

Scarab Sages

seekerofshadowlight wrote:
I'm guessing well hoping there is no spider queen how are drow structured?

One of my players is so deathly afraid of spiders she can't even bear to watch a TV show with spiders in it or look at any of the spider minis (or even minis that look spider-like), so spiders are definitely out in my game except for very rare occasions.

While I love the way the drow are typically portrayed, I'm half hoping for completely selfish reasons that drow in Pathfinder are associated with something other than spiders, or I can pretty much forget any kind of drow adventures in my game.

Edit: meant to add that the Pathfinder cover for #13 does, in fact, look awesome :D

Sovereign Court

Awesome cover - and the very dark purple (rather than black) skin removes the ever-so-slightly queasy-making potential for racist interpretations. Which is nice.


I was wondering (hoping) if we'd have WAR art forever, but either way, I'm very pleased with this image.


Blue?

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I like the pic but whats up with her ears. The blueish look is better than the typical look on them. Though my group changed them to a greyish color a long time ago. Think Chiana from Farscape.

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Dark_Mistress wrote:
I like the pic but whats up with her ears.

The spiky bits around her ears are either crazy razory earrings or some sort of head dress.

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ruined wrote:
I was wondering (hoping) if we'd have WAR art forever, but either way, I'm very pleased with this image.

Steve Prescott's doing the covers to Second Darkness; Wayne will be doing most of the covers to the Pathfinder Chronicles line (including the hardcover campaign setting).

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grrtigger wrote:
While I love the way the drow are typically portrayed, I'm half hoping for completely selfish reasons that drow in Pathfinder are associated with something other than spiders, or I can pretty much forget any kind of drow adventures in my game.

Similar to how drow were when they were first envisioned for the game, ours worship various demon lords. Unlike other drow, though, there's not really one demon lord they worship over the others, so there won't really be ONE overriding theme. There will be SOME spider elements to some drow still, but there'll be other elements as well. You'll note this drow doesn't have spider themes at all, but more of a demonic spiky theme.

Dark Archive

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James Jacobs wrote:
Dark_Mistress wrote:
I like the pic but whats up with her ears.
The spiky bits around her ears are either crazy razory earrings or some sort of head dress.

Ok thats what I was hoping but the color is so close it was hard to tell if that was part of her ears or not. I was wondering if drow was going to have some freaky sonar hearing or something going on. :)


James Jacobs wrote:


Similar to how drow were when they were first envisioned for the game, ours worship various demon lords. Unlike other drow, though, there's not really one demon lord they worship over the others, so there won't really be ONE overriding theme. There will be SOME spider elements to some drow still, but there'll be other elements as well. You'll note this drow doesn't have spider themes at all, but more of a demonic spiky theme.

Nice this I love and yes I also got a farscape vibe from the blue/purple drow.

Scarab Sages

James Jacobs wrote:
Similar to how drow were when they were first envisioned for the game, ours worship various demon lords. Unlike other drow, though, there's not really one demon lord they worship over the others, so there won't really be ONE overriding theme. There will be SOME spider elements to some drow still, but there'll be other elements as well. You'll note this drow doesn't have spider themes at all, but more of a demonic spiky theme.

Nice! Thanks for the update :)


http://paizo.com/image/product/magazine_issue/dungeon/119/cover_500.jpg remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

Hopefully this blue one is just a bit of artistic license, as the whole Farscape vibe is, imho, a huge letdown.

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The Far Wanderer wrote:

http://paizo.com/image/product/magazine_issue/dungeon/119/cover_500.jpg remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

Hopefully this blue one is just a bit of artistic license, as the whole Farscape vibe is, imho, a huge letdown.

Drow, like humans and elves and everyone else, have a range of exact skin tones. Dark blue, dark purple, and black are all possibilities, I suspect.


The Far Wanderer wrote:

This Linkified Picture remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

Hopefully this blue one is just a bit of artistic license, as the whole Farscape vibe is, imho, a huge letdown.

Just thought I'd help with the link.

Hmmm.. I like the black skin better, but I didn't think the blue was all that bad.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

We've posted the actual cover to Pathfinder 13, and it will be added to the blog entry soon. (If you don't see a drow on the cover, clear your browser's image cache.)


Vic Wertz wrote:
We've posted the actual cover to Pathfinder 13, and it will be added to the blog entry soon. (If you don't see a drow on the cover, clear your browser's image cache.)

Ah.. now see, I think the blue skin looks quite striking against the all black cover...

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As something of a illustration buff it's kinda hard to get a lot of facial detail and expression from jet black skin. Tbhat's why you see a lot of blue, purple, and grey shades and red, green, purple, and blue lighting elements in drow illustration.

From my money Brom is the King of the Drow, but I also like Justin Sweet's work (from the icewind dale games) for a dirtier look. I also love WAR's drow Tempest from the Shadows of Istivin arc cover.

Brom's Drizzt
Justin Sweet

Liberty's Edge

I am thinking that the blue skin is used to provide color separation and contrast from the black background. I am good with it. Too much black and grey dulls out a cover art.

Frog God Games

Love it.

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Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
Love it.

Fixed that. Sorry about that Greg!

-Lisa

Former VP of Finance

I'd just like to chime in that the cover scheme for Second Darkness is by far and away my favorite of the three we've done so far.

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Yay!! Old School Drow! My drow NPCs and PCs a like have always been the blue-black skin drow I first read about in Against the Giants and Descent into the Earth, Glad to see Pathfinder is hearkening back to the origins of the Drow in D&D

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Holy frak... I like


Steve Prescott is awesome.

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James Jacobs wrote:
The Far Wanderer wrote:

http://paizo.com/image/product/magazine_issue/dungeon/119/cover_500.jpg remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

Hopefully this blue one is just a bit of artistic license, as the whole Farscape vibe is, imho, a huge letdown.
Drow, like humans and elves and everyone else, have a range of exact skin tones. Dark blue, dark purple, and black are all possibilities, I suspect.

I prefer the blue/purple-skinned Drow look myself, I'm sick of the gray and black.


I like the blue skin.

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But yes this particular drow is yummy. The cover is also fantastic... I loved the Red of CotC, but the Black covers will be made of awesome.

Liberty's Edge

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The Far Wanderer wrote:
This Linkified Picture remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

That's one of my favorites too.. another one of Wayne's creations. ;)

I'm digging this drow though. Can't wait to see more of them.

Will something drider like find their way into Pathfinder?

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SirUrza wrote:
The Far Wanderer wrote:
This Linkified Picture remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

That's one of my favorites too.. another one of Wayne's creations. ;)

I'm digging this drow though. Can't wait to see more of them.

Will something drider like find their way into Pathfinder?

Yes. As in, there will be driders in Pathfinder. There'll be a fair amount about driders, in fact, in Pathfinder #16... along with some other freaks and mutants!

Liberty's Edge

The Far Wanderer wrote:

http://paizo.com/image/product/magazine_issue/dungeon/119/cover_500.jpg remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

Hopefully this blue one is just a bit of artistic license, as the whole Farscape vibe is, imho, a huge letdown.

That's one of my absolute-favorite fantasy paintings.


James Jacobs wrote:
SirUrza wrote:
The Far Wanderer wrote:
This Linkified Picture remains the absolute gold standard of drow pix.

That's one of my favorites too.. another one of Wayne's creations. ;)

I'm digging this drow though. Can't wait to see more of them.

Will something drider like find their way into Pathfinder?

Yes. As in, there will be driders in Pathfinder. There'll be a fair amount about driders, in fact, in Pathfinder #16... along with some other freaks and mutants!

I am NOT a freak or a mutant! I am a Silver Dragon! ~grins~ Now if you were talking about Heathy or KC, then I would agree with you about them being mutant freaks!

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Well i am not a mutant and i am far more kink than freak, so he can't be talking about me. Maybe Rich Pett and Nic Logue will be fully stated villians? I think they both count.


Not really working for me. The linked drow on the cover of Dungeon was better IMO. Also there is maybe just to much near black on that cover. Most of the detail is getting lost.


The actual color to this cover is dark bluish-greyish background with the black "darkness" creeping in from the left.


Since people remarked on the crossbow, I noticed something kind of funny and it seems to be pretty common with people drawing crossbows. Look at the drow's crossbow, then Gimble's in the bard section of the PHB and finally Jozan in the cleric section of the PHB (this is the worse example). How do you keep the bolt from falling out when you point your crossbow down? It just makes the drow seem less intimidating when she is standing there and the bolt in her bad-a$$ crossbow drops to the ground.


pres man wrote:
How do you keep the bolt from falling out when you point your crossbow down?

perhaps like some modern crossbows (such as Mine) the noch on her bolts fits snuggly enough on the string that mere gravity will not be enough to loose it.

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
James Jacobs wrote:
Yes. As in, there will be driders in Pathfinder. There'll be a fair amount about driders, in fact, in Pathfinder #16... along with some other freaks and mutants!

Sweet, wasn't sure if Wizards cornered the market on them or if the theme change to demons over spiders ruled them out. Good to hear they're continuing. :)


cwslyclgh wrote:
pres man wrote:
How do you keep the bolt from falling out when you point your crossbow down?
perhaps like some modern crossbows (such as Mine) the noch on her bolts fits snuggly enough on the string that mere gravity will not be enough to loose it.

Wouldn't this cause friction and slow down the bolt?

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pres man wrote:
Since people remarked on the crossbow, I noticed something kind of funny and it seems to be pretty common with people drawing crossbows. Look at the drow's crossbow, then Gimble's in the bard section of the PHB and finally Jozan in the cleric section of the PHB (this is the worse example). How do you keep the bolt from falling out when you point your crossbow down? It just makes the drow seem less intimidating when she is standing there and the bolt in her bad-a$$ crossbow drops to the ground.

Eerie drow technology makes it happen.

OR! The nock at the end of the bolt is clipped to the string. I have a bow, and pretty much all of the arrows I've ever shot have a nock that's just wide enough so that when you fit it to the string, it sits in place. This is, I assume, to keep the arrow steady before you fire, and to prevent it from sliding all around against the string too much. You can in fact hold the bow down or up or wherever and the arrow kinda hangs there as long as you don't shake it around or all that. I've more or less just assumed as a result that most bowstring/nock technology works similarly.

It certainly doesn't cause near enough friction to slow down arrows shot from a bow, though.

EDIT: I was just looking a little closer at the art, and it looks almost like the little demon face at the butt-end of the crossbow grips the string and the end of the bolt to me.

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