
mwbeeler |

Segueing from the earlier discussion, “White Tigers” make me mad. So, so beautiful, but for every one near perfect white tiger, there are so many more inbred and forgotten.
Workplace politics.
Running out of blank media.
Lack of viable electricity alternatives where I live.
General apathy.
People who don't think pouring a bucket of water over a towel on your face equals torture.
My cats carrying off my bagged miniatures.
People who are consistently late for no reason.
The US not switching to metrics.
Sorry about the headache Krue, is it all the snow you are getting?

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Business does only what it must to survive.
I don't know about that. Businesses are still made of people at the highest level who often serve their own narrow interests and not necessarily the company's. Is it in a business's best interest to overpay and overhire at the executive level and then pay for it by driving away the workers that built the company in favor of workers that get no benefits in other countries, and are therefore cheaper?
The way business works, particularly in the global environment it isn't even universally lawful. Most of the time (from my experience), if you play by the rules, you don't get the contract. To quote a local sports persona, "if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin to win." Capitalism is sociopathic. Business is full-on Chaotic Snarky in my opinion, but your mileage may vary.
It makes no sense to get mad over this poop, but sometimes I fail my Will save.

bubbagump |

bubbagump wrote:
Business does only what it must to survive.
I don't know about that. Businesses are still made of people at the highest level who often serve their own narrow interests and not necessarily the company's. Is it in a business's best interest to overpay and overhire at the executive level and then pay for it by driving away the workers that built the company in favor of workers that get no benefits in other countries, and are therefore cheaper?
The way business works, particularly in the global environment it isn't even universally lawful. Most of the time (from my experience), if you play by the rules, you don't get the contract. To quote a local sports persona, "if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin to win." Capitalism is sociopathic. Business is full-on Chaotic Snarky in my opinion, but your mileage may vary.
It makes no sense to get mad over this poop, but sometimes I fail my Will save.
And precisely how many businesses have you administered or owned?

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My bet would be on just about anyone else vs. someone using "tolchocking" in their pre-fight tough-talk.....Just sayin'.
I'm sure it will be rousingly good show, especially with you all persnickity and whatnot. *snicker*
They say never bring a knife to a gunfight. However, it's usually good policy to bring a knife to a fistfight. Just sayin'.

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And precisely how many businesses have you administered or owned?
Precisely zero. But I have seen a few reduced to rubble by ridiculously short-sighted leadership. And I've seen how lives are ruined when such a thing happens. Not necessarily the lives of the executives that drove the car into the ditch - just the lives of the folks that built the car.
And I have seen repeatedly and first hand how contracts are won and lost in the international arena. You want to win a contract in Latin America or the Far East - you better be prepared to grease the right palms. It ain't lawful - not by a long shot.
Why the condescension? Is Luke now something that makes bubbagump mad? Or do you make a living advising companies on how best to ship our jobs to unqualified replacements overseas to trim the bottom line?
This thread is called Things that make you mad. This makes me mad. It's not political - it's life. It's happening right now, in the office I work in, today, to people I know.
EDIT: And precisely how many coworkers have you tried to console when their career of 26 years comes to a crashing halt after an exec that's been with the comapny for 3 months has decided that someone in Bangladesh can do their job better?

CourtFool |

Apparently if you're wearing the right colored glasses there's not really a distinction between the two.
Oh I think there is. Profit has always been the priority. The problem I see is that short term profit has been seen as the priority while I think long term profit would be a better model.

bubbagump |

bubbagump wrote:
And precisely how many businesses have you administered or owned?
Precisely zero. But I have seen a few reduced to rubble by ridiculously short-sighted leadership. And I've seen how lives are ruined when such a thing happens. Not necessarily the lives of the executives that drove the car into the ditch - just the lives of the folks that built the car.
And I have seen repeatedly and first hand how contracts are won and lost in the international arena. You want to win a contract in Latin America or the Far East - you better be prepared to grease the right palms. It ain't lawful - not by a long shot.
Why the condescension? Is Luke now something that makes bubbagump mad? Or do you make a living advising companies on how best to ship our jobs to unqualified replacements overseas to trim the bottom line?
This thread is called Things that make you mad. This makes me mad. It's not political - it's life. It's happening right now, in the office I work in, today, to people I know.
EDIT: And precisely how many coworkers have you tried to console when their career of 26 years comes to a crashing halt after an exec that's been with the comapny for 3 months has decided that someone in Bangladesh can do their job better?
I realize bad things happen because execs do bad things sometimes. Just because you've witnessed a failure or two doesn't mean you have a good understanding of the subject. What makes me mad (since we're on that subject) is people who have never risen above middle management making judgments on those in higher positions. In my profession I advise execs on how to do their jobs. I have contracts with a number of substantial companies, and consult with many others. I also work occasionally as a career advisor for those in lower positions. I can tell you that most of the execs I work with have a far higher degree of integrity than practically anyone else. Most at that level have to have a high degree of integrity to get the job and keep it, and they have to be on their toes ethically speaking because they are constantly being scrutinized. Have I consoled a coworker whose long and distinguished career has ended because an exec ended his position? Yes, actually, and I've also been that person myself. I've also sat with execs who literally cried when they had to make that decision. I have been the executive who cried when loyal employees had to be let go. And I've advised countless clients on things they can do to avoid losing their positions that way. I know American business and capitalism in general get a lot of flack these days, and I know there's a lot of corruption in the business world. But the simple fact is there's no more corruption in business than there is in any other segment of society. In fact, in my experience there's considerably less. And if you want to blame someone for people losing their jobs, blame the educational system. They're the ones who have trained generations of workers on how not to succeed. And yes, this too is something with which I have considerable experience.
Please understand I'm not trying to criticize you personally or anyone else. But I am tired of hearing such accusations leveled by people who truly don't know what they're talking about. I'm sure the situation at your company is just as you describe it - I've been hired by more than a few companies who found themselves in similar situations. It can be tragic. But I guarantee you it's the exception and not the rule, at least insofar as big business is concerned. If your company had hired me or someone like me it's likely that tragedy could have been averted. For that matter, if your friend had been my client he wouldn't have had to worry about losing his career - he would've been ready for it.

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Second, it's a conspiracy theory, and I think that "xkcd" says it best; sometimes the hoofbeats belong to a horse, not a zebra.Third, I hear it ALL THE f@@@ING TIME, and it's really irritating.
It's really nothing against you, though: this just gave me an opening to vent.
NINJA EDIT: I really don't want to continue talking about the whole 1984 deal: it will only lead to grief, and I just wanted an opportunity to vent. I'm cool with arguing about laptop computer keyboards, though.
Yeah. I was going to write "A Clockwork Orange", but I had limited time.

mwbeeler |

Well, that certainly takes the heat off me for the baby crushing analogy.
It’s at least plausible everyone here has been in a brainstorming session of some sort, yes?
There are no bad ideas; the thread by its very nature is designed to allow for openness and blowing off steam without debate. I realize my pointing out the obvious may make you mad.

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Thanks bubba.
Suddenly I'm not mad about my friends losing their jobs anymore. Now I blame the education system that never taught them that getting a college education and putting in 60 hour work weeks would never be enough to entitle them to a little loyalty from their company.
Who would have thought this thread could be so therapeutic?
That's quite a gift you have.
Blame the f@!*ing robber-baron teachers. They get paid too much. They should be charged for the priviledge of wiping your children's noses.
I am now officially done with this thread.

bubbagump |

Thanks bubba.
Suddenly I'm not mad about my friends losing their jobs anymore. Now I blame the education system that never taught them that getting a college education and putting in 60 hour work weeks would never be enough to entitle them to a little loyalty from their company.
Who would have thought this thread could be so therapeutic?
That's quite a gift you have.
Blame the f!#!ing robber-baron teachers. They get paid too much. They should be charged for the priviledge of wiping your children's noses.
I am now officially done with this thread.
You're welcome. I still don't think you get it, but I guess I didn't really expect you to anyway. 'Tis a pity online forums are such a lousy venue for explaining such things or I'd try to provide more substantive help. Best wishes in your current miseries.

secretturchinman |

Thinking someone is your friend for the past 20 some years, and having them come up with some b@^lls#$t reason for not talking to you anymore because they made promises they never intended on keeping and completly screwed you over, and instead of being a man, they start with false accusations. Anything to cover their own ass. F@^k 'em.

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Sect wrote:Yeah. I was going to write "A Clockwork Orange", but I had limited time.
Second, it's a conspiracy theory, and I think that "xkcd" says it best; sometimes the hoofbeats belong to a horse, not a zebra.Third, I hear it ALL THE f@@@ING TIME, and it's really irritating.
It's really nothing against you, though: this just gave me an opening to vent.
NINJA EDIT: I really don't want to continue talking about the whole 1984 deal: it will only lead to grief, and I just wanted an opportunity to vent. I'm cool with arguing about laptop computer keyboards, though.
??? You're going to have to explain that one to me.

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Sorry about the headache Krue, is it all the snow you are getting?
Nah, I had a nasty cold with double happy sinus goodies. China is the cradle of all evil head-colds and flus, man. The upshot of that is that when I come back I won't get sick for 5 years because I've already had it all.

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:??? You're going to have to explain that one to me.Sect wrote:Yeah. I was going to write "A Clockwork Orange", but I had limited time.
Second, it's a conspiracy theory, and I think that "xkcd" says it best; sometimes the hoofbeats belong to a horse, not a zebra.Third, I hear it ALL THE f@@@ING TIME, and it's really irritating.
It's really nothing against you, though: this just gave me an opening to vent.
NINJA EDIT: I really don't want to continue talking about the whole 1984 deal: it will only lead to grief, and I just wanted an opportunity to vent. I'm cool with arguing about laptop computer keyboards, though.
Rampant corruption and needless violence on the home front, with the government concerning itself with affairs of state, rather than the affairs of its citizens.

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:....the government concerning itself with affairs of state, rather than the affairs of its citizens.Do you really want the government delving too deeply into the affairs of its citizens? That way lies madness, my friend....pure madness.
I'm not exactly pro-government, but if it's there (which it is), it should probably concern itself at least partially with internal affairs not including defense.

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When people propose that not doing X invalidates your opinion of X. I have not bashed my head in with a rock, but I feel fairly certain I would not enjoy it.
Word. If you can't touch the argument, throw stones at the speaker. I hate that. If you can't field a better argument, spend ten seconds googling to find someone who can.

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Rampant corruption and needless violence on the home front, with the government concerning itself with affairs of state, rather than the affairs of its citizens.
Paraphrased from The Federalist Papers: Big government's (federal) work is the affairs of state; small government's (state and local) work is the affairs of citizens.
When Jefferson, Hamilton, Franklin and crew were thinking up the US Constitution, one of they're leading principles was of the US Government as an engine of change for the world; and the government of the Commonwealth of Virginia as an engine of change for Virginians.

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Rampant corruption and needless violence on the home front, with the government concerning itself with affairs of state, rather than the affairs of its citizens.Paraphrased from The Federalist Papers: Big government's (federal) work is the affairs of state; small government's (state and local) work is the affairs of citizens.
When Jefferson, Hamilton, Franklin and crew were thinking up the US Constitution, one of they're leading principles was of the US Government as an engine of change for the world; and the government of the Commonwealth of Virginia as an engine of change for Virginians.
Only problem is, the local government isn't doing jack.

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Andrew Turner wrote:Only problem is, the local government isn't doing jack.The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Rampant corruption and needless violence on the home front, with the government concerning itself with affairs of state, rather than the affairs of its citizens.Paraphrased from The Federalist Papers: Big government's (federal) work is the affairs of state; small government's (state and local) work is the affairs of citizens.
When Jefferson, Hamilton, Franklin and crew were thinking up the US Constitution, one of they're leading principles was of the US Government as an engine of change for the world; and the government of the Commonwealth of Virginia as an engine of change for Virginians.
Ah. Sounds like where I grew up. All the City Council members lived along the river in big houses, drove Jags and Beemers, wore three-piece suits, and left us swamp-dwellers to our own devices

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The Eldritch Mr. Shiny wrote:Only problem is, the local government isn't doing jack.Ah. Sounds like where I grew up. All the City Council members lived along the river in big houses, drove Jags and Beemers, wore three-piece suits, and left us swamp-dwellers to our own devices
Pretty close.
Ticonderoga; the town I live in, is tucked away in a backwater of upstate New York. 1400 people in winter, 5000 in the summer. Snow from October until May.
The place is so small that it is governed by a supervisor and board of directors that have so little power that they basically can't do anything except shoot down education grants.
The whole town is almost completely controlled by three major business interests: International Paper, Walton Inc. (Wal-Mart, Sam's Club, etc...), and Crown Point Stone. There used to be others in on it, like Dixon-Ticonderoga Pencil Co. and Hammermill, but they've been edged out by the competition. International Paper seems to be going as well (a damn shame- it's the most civic-minded of the big three, as well as employing close to one in five people in the town).
The people that really have their tentacles into the government are the Wal-Mart board, and a local mogul by the name of "Spanky" Huestis (a consummate jackass, by the way).
The boards, along with Spanky and his cronies, use their money to bribe the town board members, and when that fails, they pander to the state government, which really doesn't give a flying f+$$ what happens in the backwoods of Ticonderoga.
In short, we have s!+%ty roads, s@!@ty education, and s%&~ty ...basically everything else. F~&& 'em all.