Some companies


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A while back I subscribed to this "Games for Windows" magazine. They had a cheap deal on it. So when I was reading my current copy I saw this add by WOTC:

"SOME COMPANIES
OFFER DUNGEONS.
OTHERS, DRAGONS.
BUT SINCE 1974,
WE'VE BEEN
THE ONLY COMPANY
TO OFFER BOTH
DUNGEONS & DRAGONS"

The words "Only" and "Both" are underlined.

hmmm....

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Except Paizo and Kenzer, I guess.

Oh, and TSR.


Perhaps whoever wrote that copy knows nothing of the game in question (Don't tell them. Force them to guess it). Hard to imagine a company would hand a job like that off to someone who didn't... ah well, part for the course.

Liberty's Edge

Wizards hasn't been around since 1974 either.

Liberty's Edge

Is 4e gonna keep the detect lie spell?+


The Jade wrote:
ah well, part for the course.

I think you mean "par for the course." As in meeting expectations (shooting par (expected number of shots on each hole) on the golf course).

Not trying to be snarky. Just enlightening as I stroll along....

;^>


Erik Mona wrote:

Except Paizo and Kenzer, I guess.

Oh, and TSR.

And White Wolf, under their Sword and Sorcery imprint, when they had the official D&D version of the Warcraft (without the World of) Roleplaying game.


Oh, I just figured they had the date wrong, lol

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KnightErrantJR wrote:
Erik Mona wrote:

Except Paizo and Kenzer, I guess.

Oh, and TSR.

And White Wolf, under their Sword and Sorcery imprint, when they had the official D&D version of the Warcraft (without the World of) Roleplaying game.

And Judge's Guild, roit roit?


darkbard wrote:
The Jade wrote:
ah well, part for the course.

I think you mean "par for the course." As in meeting expectations (shooting par (expected number of shots on each hole) on the golf course).

Not trying to be snarky. Just enlightening as I stroll along....

;^>

Zen master, I accidentally added an extra T because I was eating when I typed it.


Heathansson wrote:
Wizards hasn't been around since 1974 either.

That may be, but neither are any of the gamers they're trying to attract. I guess the "it was before my time, it must be true" schtick is WotC's new advertising ploy. Either that, or the "Wow, '74! That's so retro it's cool again!" crap that's all over Hot Topic...


1974? I guess WotC figures they're the "heirs" to the copyright or whatever.

At least they didn't go back to the founding of Hasbro or something.

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Heathansson wrote:
Wizards hasn't been around since 1974 either.

You may know dogs, but I know corporations, and it's entirely possible that TSR does still exist. The DE secretary of state has TSR, Inc. as having existed since 1969 and still active in that state. Just as WotC continues to exist after being acquired by Hasbro, so to can TSR continue to exist after being acquired by WotC.

So, if the Company = WotC, including its subsdiary, TSR, the statement is true.

It's like if GE were to say "bringing you the Tonight Show since Johnny Carson" that would be true even though it's NBC (GE's subsidiary), and not GE itself, that produces the show.

Liberty's Edge

I stand corrected.

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Except when did GE buy NBC.

Ah Wiki says 1986. So technically GE has brought us the tonight show since Carson.

Still, you don't invalidate Heathy's statement that WotC has not been around since 74 ;-)

I didn't know the chime predated GE's buyout. Live and learn


It's interesting that TSR is still on the books as a subsidiary of WotC. Wikipedia claims the trademarks on the TSR name and various trademark images were allowed to expire, who knows if that's true.

As the current owner of all of TSR's intelectual property, I suppose WotC has the right to claim "they" have been "offering" D&D since '74.

But the "only" part is a bit of stretch. I suppose they figure that they own the IP and licsensed it to all the other companies, so all credit belongs to them.

Modest, eh?


What a stupid ad.

That's what happens if you try to be witty and roll badly.

The both makes it all wrong, and they're drawing attention to it.

I can think of dozens of games that have both dungeons and dragons in it.
Had they left the both out, I could have let the pun with the product name count, but you don't use "both" for a single name. "Paizo has got both Pathfinder" sounds stupid.

:-P

Oh, and for the count of things that offer "Dungeons and Dragons": Ravenloft was, for a while, not Wizards', and it had the D&D logo on it, if I recall correctly.


KaeYoss wrote:
Oh, and for the count of things that offer "Dungeons and Dragons": Ravenloft was, for a while, not Wizards', and it had the D&D logo on it, if I recall correctly.

Hate to burst your bubble there . . . but the only reaosn White Wolf had the license to publish Ravenloft, is because WotC leased it to them. Much in the same manner that WotC leased the magazine license's to Paizo, or LucasFilm is leasing the Star Wars license to WotC for the Star Wars RPG.

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William Pall wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Oh, and for the count of things that offer "Dungeons and Dragons": Ravenloft was, for a while, not Wizards', and it had the D&D logo on it, if I recall correctly.
Hate to burst your bubble there . . . but the only reaosn White Wolf had the license to publish Ravenloft, is because WotC leased it to them. Much in the same manner that WotC leased the magazine license's to Paizo, or LucasFilm is leasing the Star Wars license to WotC for the Star Wars RPG.

You are correct, but KaeYoss's argument is not entirely wrong. Another company did produce those products, even if it was by license.


Sebastian wrote:
Heathansson wrote:
Wizards hasn't been around since 1974 either.

You may know dogs, but I know corporations, and it's entirely possible that TSR does still exist. The DE secretary of state has TSR, Inc. as having existed since 1969 and still active in that state. Just as WotC continues to exist after being acquired by Hasbro, so to can TSR continue to exist after being acquired by WotC.

So, if the Company = WotC, including its subsdiary, TSR, the statement is true.

It's like if GE were to say "bringing you the Tonight Show since Johnny Carson" that would be true even though it's NBC (GE's subsidiary), and not GE itself, that produces the show.

I'm OK with them saying they offered D&D since 1974, although I think that's as much of a stretch as Mitt Romney seeing his father march with MLK, but saying they are the only company that offers both Dungeons & Dragons is justplain not true and ridiculous. Paizo offered Dungeons (I bought one every month for years) and Dragons (Bought oneor two of these at some point too). Heck, even my local game store offers Dungeons & Dragons, every tuesday night. These companies are not and never were owned by WOTC, and while WOTC might've licensed Paizo, they certainly haven't licensed my local game store.

WOTC marketing department is a bunch of idiots for printing this add. False advertising is what it is, and someone should call them on it.


Mike McArtor wrote:
William Pall wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Oh, and for the count of things that offer "Dungeons and Dragons": Ravenloft was, for a while, not Wizards', and it had the D&D logo on it, if I recall correctly.
Hate to burst your bubble there . . . but the only reaosn White Wolf had the license to publish Ravenloft, is because WotC leased it to them. Much in the same manner that WotC leased the magazine license's to Paizo, or LucasFilm is leasing the Star Wars license to WotC for the Star Wars RPG.
You are correct, but KaeYoss's argument is not entirely wrong. Another company did produce those products, even if it was by license.

Yep, Arthaus did it via White Wolf as their publisher, much like Necromancer and Malhavoc were published via White Wolf, but were actually a separate company.

Arthaus was the one who also did the Warcraft books and one or two other projects. I believe Arthaus has formally "shut its doors" though. Too bad, I actually liked their interpretations of both Ravenloft and Warcraft.


Robert Miller 55 wrote:
Yep, Arthaus did it via White Wolf as their publisher, much like Necromancer and Malhavoc were published via White Wolf, but were actually a separate company.

I am under the impression, actually, that unlike Necromancer and Malhavoc, Arthaus was actually a daughter company or spun-off division of White Wolf.

I'm pretty sure it simply started off as a publishing imprint.


Mike McArtor wrote:
William Pall wrote:
KaeYoss wrote:
Oh, and for the count of things that offer "Dungeons and Dragons": Ravenloft was, for a while, not Wizards', and it had the D&D logo on it, if I recall correctly.
Hate to burst your bubble there . . . but the only reaosn White Wolf had the license to publish Ravenloft, is because WotC leased it to them. Much in the same manner that WotC leased the magazine license's to Paizo, or LucasFilm is leasing the Star Wars license to WotC for the Star Wars RPG.
You are correct, but KaeYoss's argument is not entirely wrong. Another company did produce those products, even if it was by license.

Exactly! License, schmicense, it wasn't Wizards who made those books.

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