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I'm looking at this cool product right here.

And I'm wondering, "So, when are we going to know what monsters made it into the book?" The blurb mentions goblins, orcs, hobgoblins, bugbears, trolls and ogres. But I want to know more!

Will we get a Table of Contents, or a preview, or something, before March? 'Cause I'm chomping at the bits here to find out what monsters are in there, and March is a long, long away away. 64 pages is a lot, so I'm eager to find out who made the cut (and how many pages they get).

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There will only be ten monsters in this book. So you are 60% there. Here is what we know:

1.Goblins
2.Orcs
3.Hobgoblins
4.Bugbears
5.Trolls
6.Ogres
7.
8.
9.
10.

That leaves only four. Can anyone fill in the blanks? We also know that they will all be of the monstrous humanoid type. So, good guesses on the final four would be kobolds, gnolls, giants, and lizardfolk.


Aw man. :( We've all ready seen ogres and goblins. We know about those guys.

At least with 64 pages, and 10 monsters, that means each is getting about 6 pages.

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I posted a similar question earlier on the product thread. My ideas were aboleth, drow, kobolds, or gnolls. Of course, aboleth aren't monstrous humanoids, but Mike McArtor replied that one of the other three was definitely in it. He didn't say which one, but it narrows it down a little more.


SargonX wrote:
I posted a similar question earlier on the product thread. My ideas were aboleth, drow, kobolds, or gnolls. Of course, aboleth aren't monstrous humanoids, but Mike McArtor replied that one of the other three was definitely in it. He didn't say which one, but it narrows it down a little more.

Given that Drow are going to be in the 3rd Pathfinder series, I'm going to bet money they're in it.

I'd personally prefer Kobolds or Gnolls, but eh.

Since it's humanoids and monstrous humanoids, I have the feeling it will be one of the two:

Minotaur
Medusa

I'd have said Yaun-ti, but they're WotC IP, so I don't think Pathfinder can use them.

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Rechan wrote:
Given that Drow are going to be in the 3rd Pathfinder series, I'm going to bet money they're in it.

(Psst... don't make that bet!)

Rechan wrote:
I'd personally prefer Kobolds or Gnolls, but eh.

You will not be disappointed.

Rechan wrote:

Since it's humanoids and monstrous humanoids, I have the feeling it will be one of the two:

Minotaur
Medusa

You are half right!

Rechan wrote:
I'd have said Yaun-ti, but they're WotC IP, so I don't think Pathfinder can use them.

Correct! :)


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Given Mr. Jacobs's post on Oct 22, kobolds look like they still have a good chance of inclusion.


Mike McArtor wrote:


You will not be disappointed.

...

You are half right!

Yaay! :)

So we have:
Kobolds OR Gnolls
Minotaur OR Medusa.

That's two. I'm wondering what else we'll get.

Other options:

Grimlocks (A personal favorite)
Troglodytes
Harpies (They need it)
Lizardfolk
Centaur
Kuo-toa
Sahuagin
Any kind of true giant.
Gargoyle
Hag

Me, I'd like to see the first three. :)

I'd also like to see a book that takes other monsters and revisits them. Particularly certain undead.


tbug wrote:
Given Mr. Jacobs's post on Oct 22, kobolds look like they still have a good chance of inclusion.

What post is this?

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Rechan wrote:


Given that Drow are going to be in the 3rd Pathfinder series, I'm going to bet money they're in it.

How much are you willing to bet?


Rechan wrote:


Other options:

Kuo-toa

Not bloody likely.


I would love to see some work on lizardfolk. The recent blackscale and poisondusk varieties in MM3 have really made lizardfolk vital creatures for me again, but alas, these new varieties are not OGL.

Pathfinder needs its own varieties! :)


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Rechan wrote:
tbug wrote:
Given Mr. Jacobs's post on Oct 22, kobolds look like they still have a good chance of inclusion.
What post is this?

It's in the product thread mentioned above. Sorry--I should have linked when I brought it up.


Yay, Kobolds! :)

The Last Rogue wrote:

Kuo-toa

Not bloody likely.

Just out of curiosity: why?

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Rechan wrote:

So we have:

Kobolds OR Gnolls
Minotaur OR Medusa.

Change one of those ORs to an AND.

*mysterious*

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Yeah, I figured they'd save the new drow until the third AP - no point in giving away the secret early!

Rechan wrote:

Yaay! :)

So we have:
Kobolds OR Gnolls
Minotaur OR Medusa.

That's two. I'm wondering what else we'll get.

Other options:

Grimlocks (A personal favorite)
Troglodytes
Harpies (They need it)
Lizardfolk
Centaur
Kuo-toa
Sahuagin
Any kind of true giant.
Gargoyle
Hag

Me, I'd like to see the first three. :)

Since kobolds were already in D1, I think they probably won't be there (though admittedly they didn't go into much detail about the kobolds' society and so forth, and the art showed kobolds of different colors, like dragons, so who knows?)

But I personally would prefer gnolls over kobolds anyways. And medusae over minotuars (maybe they'll get rid of the annoying scaly look of 3.x). Harpies would also be cool.

Giants aren't monstrous humanoids, and they've already been getting treatment in RotRL (but they could collect all the new giants and giant info in this book, too).

Rechan wrote:
The Last Rogue wrote:


Kuo-toa

Not bloody likely.

Just out of curiosity: why?

Because kuo-toa are WotC IP and therefore not in the OGL.

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Mike McArtor wrote:
Rechan wrote:

So we have:

Kobolds OR Gnolls
Minotaur OR Medusa.

Change one of those ORs to an AND.

*mysterious*

HA! Not too mysterious. You just fell victim to one of the classic blunders! Clearly, it must be kobolds AND gnolls, and minotaurs OR medusae, which means it's clearly medusae AND harpies.

It's so simple, really.

I think...?


Hmmmm.

SargonX wrote:

Giants aren't monstrous humanoids,

Ogres and Trolls are giants, and they're listed as critters for the book. :)

Sargonx wrote:
Because kuo-toa are WotC IP and therefore not in the OGL.

Oh. Huh, did not notice that.


SargonX wrote:

HA! Not too mysterious. You just fell victim to one of the classic blunders! Clearly, it must be kobolds AND gnolls, and minotaurs OR medusae, which means it's clearly medusae AND harpies.

It's so simple, really.

I think...?

My friend, you've missed two vital options; the dread Medusataur, scourge of cave-dwelling dairy farmers, and the vile Minodusae, the "Crying Game" of fantasy adventure.


Giant is a lousy monster type, anyway. They should be humanoids or monstrous humanoids, maybe with the giant subtype or something.


Oh, and the thing about Yuan-ti and Kua-Toa:

Only the names are protected, nothing keeps anyone from doing some sort of snake-men or frog-men. Just call the frog-like humanoids, I don't know, Boggarts or something like that.

Lamia Matriarchs already somewhat fill the Yuan-ti's role with their snake-like appearance and sorcerous abilities.


KaeYoss wrote:

Oh, and the thing about Yuan-ti and Kua-Toa:

Only the names are protected, nothing keeps anyone from doing some sort of snake-men or frog-men. Just call the frog-like humanoids, I don't know, Boggarts or something like that.

Someone has.

They just didn't have kuo-toa in the book, so I didn't realize that they were IP. :)

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SargonX wrote:
You just fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

I blunder classically. ^_^


So, among Kobolds, Gnolls, Minotaur and Medusa, we're going to get 3 of those.

That leaves one slot open. Hmm.

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Rechan wrote:

So, among Kobolds, Gnolls, Minotaur and Medusa, we're going to get 3 of those.

Yes.


Erik Mona wrote:
Rechan wrote:

So, among Kobolds, Gnolls, Minotaur and Medusa, we're going to get 3 of those.

Yes.

That's good enough for me.

Any hint on the last slot? Oh, I'll allow you to have some mystery while still being decisive.

Does the last monster do any of the following:
Live underground (Trogs, Grimlocks, Duergar/Derro, something I'm missing)
Fly (Harpies, Gargoyles, Something I'm Missing)
Live Underwater (Sahuagin, Localoths)

Each of those leaves at least two possibilities.


Rechan wrote:
So, among Kobolds, Gnolls, Minotaur and Medusa, we're going to get 3 of those.

The Kognomindusamera?


My awesome powers of prediction grant me miraculous insights into the future! I have just gotten a flash of insight into the list:

1.Goblins
2.Orcs
3.Hobgoblins
4.Bugbears
5.Trolls
6.Ogres
7.Kobold
8.Gnoll
9.Minotaur
10.Gargoyle

Or I could have guessed. Don't remember, my insights into the past aren't as good as they should be sometimes.

I say it's Minotaurs rather than Medusae because, well, Medusae are sort of painted into the corner: They're the weird snake-haired ladies who turn you into stone. That's already a big definition right there, and it's harder to give us some refreshing change - it all boils down to some ecology articles on how they have to feed a dozen live mice to their hair each day and that their hairstyle is a matter of their snakes' upbringing (well-bred medusa hairsnakes will form the hairdo their mistress wants. Those writhing head medusae are actually the bad parent medusae. The others have lawful good alignment. Oh, mirrors are a really bad idea.

Minotaurs, on the other hand, are more of a wildcard: You can muse about their origin/creation, society, and all that, without running into "SNAKE HAIR! PETRIFYING GAZE" at every corner.

And I think gargoyles because there's a lot potential there, too: What's with the stony complexion? Is it stone or just some fake stone make-up? Were they somehow created from stone? Did a fell curse uttered by some runelord or other cause all the stone statues on his castle spring to live with the power of his malice and terrorise the populace? Were they all flesh and blood once and got cursed into stone creatures?

Oh, and if it's not gargoyles, it's sahuagin.

The Oracle has spoken.

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KaeYoss wrote:


I say it's Minotaurs rather than Medusae because, well, Medusae are sort of painted into the corner: They're the weird snake-haired ladies who turn you into stone. That's already a big definition right there, and it's harder to give us some refreshing change - it all boils down to some ecology articles on how they have to feed a dozen live mice to their hair each day and that their hairstyle is a matter of their snakes' upbringing (well-bred medusa hairsnakes will form the hairdo their mistress wants. Those writhing head medusae are actually the bad parent medusae. The others have lawful good alignment. Oh, mirrors are a really bad idea.

Minotaurs, on the other hand, are more of a wildcard: You can muse about their origin/creation, society, and all that, without running into "SNAKE HAIR! PETRIFYING GAZE" at every corner.

the day this product was announced I asked if Minotaurs were included and JJ said they weren't... doesn't mean that hasn't changed since then though


Infamous Jum wrote:
Rechan wrote:
So, among Kobolds, Gnolls, Minotaur and Medusa, we're going to get 3 of those.
The Kognomindusamera?

Theoretically...you could do this with the amalgam template from Advanced Bestiary. :)

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Sorry if I misled anyone in the second post above when I said "monstrous humanoid." What I meant was this:

Mike McArtor wrote:
The ten for this book are all humanoids or monstrous humanoids (and maybe a giant or two, but all basically humanoid-shaped)

My guesses for the final four, are...

7] Kobold
8] Gnoll
9] Minotaur
10] Lizardfolk

How'd I do?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Cpt_kirstov wrote:
the day this product was announced I asked if Minotaurs were included and JJ said they weren't... doesn't mean that hasn't changed since then though

Yeah... the day the product was announced, we didn't have all the chapters worked out. Things have changed since then.


Would LOVE to see a section on gargoyles. There's just about nothing on them at this point, even in off limits sources, and they're really a challenge to represent given their bizzare biologies. It'd be neat to see how they fit into Varisia, particularly in the southern plains and forests where they're a not uncommon encounter for folks.

Besides...I mentioned that its "gargoyle breeding season" in game and I'd like to know what that means. Heh.


Grimcleaver wrote:
Besides...I mentioned that its "gargoyle breeding season" in game and I'd like to know what that means. Heh.

It means people in tall buildings ain't getting any sleep, thats what!

But yeah, I would also love to see more on gargoyles.

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I'd like to see a Paizo view on Medusa.

KB did an interesting take on them, and it's the chalenge that makes it more attractive.


Grimcleaver wrote:
Would LOVE to see a section on gargoyles. There's just about nothing on them at this point, even in off limits sources, and they're really a challenge to represent given their bizzare biologies. It'd be neat to see how they fit into Varisia, particularly in the southern plains and forests where they're a not uncommon encounter for folks.

That's really odd. I would expect gargoyles in rocky areas like mountains and canyons, where their stoney hides provide concealment, and their flight gives them a distinct advantage. Unless your forests and plains have a lot of ruins.

Grimcleaver wrote:
Besides...I mentioned that its "gargoyle breeding season" in game and I'd like to know what that means. Heh.

Males are likely killing big powerful creatures as trophies to impress females (Or bring them food like dwarf babies), females are near feral in "heat", and they probably breed while spiraling downwards mid-flight, like eagles.

I'd like to see gargoyles fleshed out, but as I said earlier, I'd love to see something done with trogs, harpies, or grimlocks. They're rarely if ever touched on.

I've been tinkering with an idea to turn Grimlocks into a mix of Papa New Guinea headhunters and African zulu warriors: white face paint, shrunken heads, and taking live captives to cook in pots and roast on spits. They favor drums, beating them when they go hunting, so that you hear them coming and the fear marinates your flesh.

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I would be good with gargoyles or lizardmen. :)

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I'm glad to see we're seeing all the monsters in 1 book. Having the goblin stuff in it means I don't need Pathfinder 1 when I want/need goblins for my Pathfinder campaign.


Though I doubt we'll see it I'll second the grimlock. Been brainstorming a lot about these guys the last few weeks. With all the talk of basing adventures on favored horror movies, I'm deciding to work on something along the lines of Decent. Blind cannibal native americans, hell yeah!

umm...speaking of which. If their borne blind and all that, how do they paint their faces white? Or even know what white is? I like everything else you wrote. I realy like the idea of shrunken heads, but having had the processes described to me I see grimlocks having a hard time with it. Not going to say they wont be doing it in my campaign, but I'll definately be working on some good explination...

Either way, if you don't start a new thread soon on grimlocks I will...back to the topic at hand.

I realy like the kobold ecology from Dragon a while back, so I'll probably be sticking to that. In other words, I'm hoping if it's down to kobolds or gnolls we see gnolls. That and I realy realy dig gnolls, and would love to see some background on them.

Never realy cared much about gargoyles, though the comment about the runelord's castle statues coming to life is making me change my mind a bit.


Fraust wrote:


umm...speaking of which. If their borne blind and all that, how do they paint their faces white?

Badly

Fraust wrote:


Never realy cared much about gargoyles, though the comment about the runelord's castle statues coming to life is making me change my mind a bit.

I'm insidious like that! It starts with an innocent remark and a bit of mind changing, and before you know it, you've been brainwashed into worshipping the Great Gargoyle Species and I get my reward promised by said species.... }>


I'm guessing a highrise time share...


Fraust wrote:
I'm guessing a highrise time share...

Don't forget the little perks! Exclusive viewing privileges for the 1972 film, autographed action figures, protection from evil spirits, free tours of Disney, rainwater drainage, access to the +2 Rock Tumbler of Might, he's gonna make out like a bandit.


To those thinking about Gargoyles, a thought occurs.

Gargoyles are male harpies, and harpies are female gargoyles. The two rarely are found together, as they hate one another. However, during the breeding season, they shelve their feud and have great aerial orgies.

On the rare occasions that they nest and travel together, it's always a single harpy to several gargoyles. The harpy is a baiting monster - it sweeps down and sings, captivating everyone, while the gargoyles drag the victims into the shadows.

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Did you just say aerial orgy?

Yep.

You did.

Wow.

Liberty's Edge

James Jacobs wrote:
Cpt_kirstov wrote:
the day this product was announced I asked if Minotaurs were included and JJ said they weren't... doesn't mean that hasn't changed since then though
Yeah... the day the product was announced, we didn't have all the chapters worked out. Things have changed since then.

A discussion between James and Erik in the chat room a few weeks back (re The Cowfaced Strangler) leads me to believe that minotaurs may have been a topic of discussion around the Paizo office recently ... so that may be a hint that they're in the book (or that I completely misread things).


Rechan wrote:


Gargoyles are male harpies, and harpies are female gargoyles. The two rarely are found together, as they hate one another. However, during the breeding season, they shelve their feud and have great aerial orgies.

That time is known as breeding season to the hargoyles, and as "the terrible time where you have to carry an umbrella and wear raincoats and earplugs at all times. And NEVER look up.


KaeYoss wrote:
Rechan wrote:


Gargoyles are male harpies, and harpies are female gargoyles. The two rarely are found together, as they hate one another. However, during the breeding season, they shelve their feud and have great aerial orgies.
That time is known as breeding season to the hargoyles, and as "the terrible time where you have to carry an umbrella and wear raincoats and earplugs at all times. And NEVER look up.

I laughed so hard.

Liberty's Edge

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I knew there was a reason I found gargoyles interesting ;)

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It wasn't because of the awesome Disney cartoon? :)


It was mentioned that the cover art for this was in back in December. Any chance we'll get a peek at that or a mockup cover anytime soon? And please tell me that WAR did the cover or some interior art!

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