I wouldn't worry about the Ennies being biased at all. The judges have been very good about the process and heck, one of them even blogged his whole experience last year.
Can't get much more open than that.
Perhaps Dave, but credibility is something an organization has to maintain every day, not just at one certain event.
I don't frequent the site, so maybe I'm not qualified to say this, but the times that I have been.. it looked like a fun and excited information and gossip gathering site. But it didn't look unbiased.
The one thread initiated by a moderator that I read over there that came out the same day as Erik made his 4TH EDITION: PAIZO STILL UNDECIDED thread didn't strike me (from that first moderator) post as very neutral.
But perhaps after the 4th edition actually comes out and the dust settles..
Can't get much more open than that.
let me go on record and say that i found the process of being a judge very informative.
diaglo "was an ENnies judge" Ooi
Perhaps Dave, but credibility is something an organization has to maintain every day, not just at one certain event.
The one thread initiated by a moderator that I read over there that came out the same day as Erik made his 4TH EDITION: PAIZO STILL UNDECIDED thread didn't strike me (from that first moderator) post as very neutral.
That was MerricB (IIRC) who started that thread. He's a frequent poster there, but not affiliated with EN World management in any way. (You may have thought he was since his user title is "Official EN World Optimist", but he doesn't actually run anything over there.) So I could see why you would conclude that.
That was MerricB (IIRC) who started that thread. He's a frequent poster there, but not affiliated with EN World management in any way. (You may have thought he was since his user title is "Official EN World Optimist", but he doesn't actually run anything over there.) So I could see why you would conclude that.
Ah!
You know, I think you're correct. It was MerricB and I did accept him as an offical EN spokesperson, probably because of that tag.
Okay Dave and Diaglo, consider the EN Award remark offically retracted.
Re: Razz and dmchuckle's comments.
i'm not familiar enough with EnWorld to comment, but I did just see where a moederator threatened to ban someone over the standard 'they make a cream for that' comment in the thread "Dragonborn, Tieflings, and Warlocks are starting to grow on me.' thread. Talk about touchy.
They are a bit touchy lately. But then, they've been dealing with a lot of people making complaints about blatant trolling (like Razz with 2 posts on the same day after being warned to knock it off). The 4e forum has been nearly completely off its rocker.
But I will say that there are plenty of anti-4e posts and threads around that aren't being and haven't been closed. It's all in the tone and attitude. Razz was justly banned from the looks of it and Kae'Yos implied that anyone who was a 4e fan was an idiot. They got what they deserved. There are many other 4e skeptics who have been able to participate in critical threads without being banned.
Kae'Yos implied that anyone who was a 4e fan was an idiot.
No, I didn't. I just said Wizards is apparently thinking that D&D players are idiots.
They interpreted it that I "insulted all ENWorld posters" and banned me. No warning, no "did you just insult everyone", nothing. Ban out of the blue, with some condescending remark thrown in for kicks.
Think about it: No more power attack because it is allegedly a big game stopper (never saw it stopping my game. A dozen buffs combined with power attack, but PA didn't hold up anyhting), lots of FR deities getting killed in Soap Opera fashion because the profusion of deities was apparently too confusing for people....
I don't think them telling Wizards to stop treating us like idiots or else....
Well, I signed it. I think everyone should anyway.
By the way guys being a big d&d fan going back to its early days in the early eighties in my case i would like to add the following.
the game goes back to the early 70's.
it first went into print in 1974. but it was played before then.
Did everyone forget what this thread was about in the first place? /signed
Did everyone forget what this thread was about in the first place? /signed
QFT! I hope there is a groundswell of people clambering to see 3.X supported by various publishers, so that the game continues to grow (in spite of 4th edition's release).
WotC may lead the pack BUT shouldn't dictate what every other company produces for the D&D game, particularly because the changes they propose are moving the game away from its roots.
signed and made my email adress public! Now I'm waiting for you WOTC!
Kae'Yos implied that anyone who was a 4e fan was an idiot.No, I didn't. I just said Wizards is apparently thinking that D&D players are idiots.
They interpreted it that I "insulted all ENWorld posters" and banned me. No warning, no "did you just insult everyone", nothing. Ban out of the blue, with some condescending remark thrown in for kicks.
Think about it: No more power attack because it is allegedly a big game stopper (never saw it stopping my game. A dozen buffs combined with power attack, but PA didn't hold up anyhting), lots of FR deities getting killed in Soap Opera fashion because the profusion of deities was apparently too confusing for people....
I don't think them telling Wizards to stop treating us like idiots or else....
Wow, you got banned from there too? ENWorld have been real dicks lately.
See, I didn't troll nor did I even insult anyone at ENWorld. I insulted the hell out of WotC, though, I have every right to. It's NOT a WotC forum, last I checked.
But WotC goes to ENWorld a lot, and ENWorld sold themselves out to WotC during GenCon with their "under-the-table handshake" deal. Why else would WotC hang out at ENWorld? It's the perfect place to rep up their new crap edition of D&D.
It was probably along the lines of,"Make sure the anti-4E folks are kept very low or stationed off in one single thread (like in our forums) or else..."
They are a bit touchy lately. But then, they've been dealing with a lot of people making complaints about blatant trolling (like Razz with 2 posts on the same day after being warned to knock it off). The 4e forum has been nearly completely off its rocker.But I will say that there are plenty of anti-4e posts and threads around that aren't being and haven't been closed. It's all in the tone and attitude. Razz was justly banned from the looks of it and Kae'Yos implied that anyone who was a 4e fan was an idiot. They got what they deserved. There are many other 4e skeptics who have been able to participate in critical threads without being banned.
When did I troll exactly? I don't do that. My statements are always legit and never insult anyone on the forums, not even indirectly. Yet I still got banned from ENWorld because I insulted the ALMIGHTY WIZARDS OF THE COAST!
Morrus can shove it where the sun don't shine, that sell-out. (yes, see, NOW I just insulted someone).
Prime example, I posted a Hate 4E thread like many others on ENWorld and got banned for it...no warning, nothing. They only want optimism for 4E on their boards now. WotC's message boards are doing the same. Quite sad, if you ask me.No, you got banned for posting multiple troll messages and topics much like this one and for ignoring express Moderator wishes; you were warned, more than once but I guess you felt that that didn't apply to you. So, don't come here and go 'Waaah, they banned me out of the blue because I don't like 4E', since that's just a plain out lie.
First you were banned from the 4E forum, but you had to keep kicking over the anthill and started another trollish topic even after being warned. Just looking back at previous posts, you and others were asked more than a few times to tone down the attitude, rhetoric, pot-stirring, and straight out misinformation. Most of the rest slacked off and you didn't. That kind of stuff got you banned.
There are still plenty of anti-4E posts and topics and they don't get banned because they don't continually kick it up to the next level over and over. They didn't take the fast-train to crazy town like you did, conjuring up imagined conspiracy theories and the like.
Really? Show me these, then. I don't troll, for one, I also don't insult anyone, like what many on ENWorld and WotC's Forums do a lot. Yet, I am the one banned from ENWorld and given a warning on the WotC Forums?
Then show me a Pro-4E post that's on the opposite spectrum that HAS ALSO been banned? None?
I rest my case.
And I was warned only once at ENWorld, and it wasn't even about 4th Edition. If there were multiple warnings, I must've missed all of them or I didn't receive any in the first place.
I rest my case.
And I was warned only once at ENWorld, and it wasn't even about 4th Edition. If there were multiple warnings, I must've missed all of them or I didn't receive any in the first place.
Please. This may be the Court of Public Opinion, but it's a different jurisdiction. It would be appreciated if the cross-board issues got left where they came from.
Back on topic. I can see Paizo playing the waiting game. Although painful, eight months (max) if WotC is correct on the distribution time for the books is not that long. Might be tough to knock together a credible product for that short a term. In fact, given how high a quality everything Paizo does is, I'd say they do themselves a disservice if they try to "just shove something out" right now.
It would be appreciated if the cross-board issues got left where they came from.
The problem, of course, is that they can't exist there, because they'll just ban you for good and delete your posts should you write anything about how you find this treatment unfair.
Back on topic. I can see Paizo playing the waiting game. Although painful, eight months (max) if WotC is correct on the distribution time for the books is not that long. Might be tough to knock together a credible product for that short a term. In fact, given how high a quality everything Paizo does is, I'd say they do themselves a disservice if they try to "just shove something out" right now.
The problem is not Paizo playing the waiting game. It's Wizards not giving them anything to work with so Paizo is forced to play the waiting game. And the dates on which they have to decide whether Pathfinder 3, the Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign Setting, and similar products, will use 4e rules, gets closer. If that date passes and Wizards has still held back with the rules, Paizo can't help but give 4e a pass at least for the time being (in the case of Pathfinder, it amounts to a 6-month delay, since they will luckily not change during an adventure path).
And it's not as if Wizards didn't know that. I'm sure they're perfectly aware that the clock of d20 publishers is ticking. They know that if they delay more, their competition either has to support the edition they themselves are slandering all over the place, or hastily cobble something together and look bad.
And I don't believe for a second that Wizards can't deliver anything. They're gearing up for playtesting (if it hasn't started yet) and have been working on this for months, if not years, now. They're bound to have something. A "beta" version that shows the general direction the game is going. Something you could look at and say "well, it needs fine tuning (as it will probably get), but we can use that" or "how horrible, we won't use this crap"
Signed at 120.
It is the makeshift home of dissapointed Players and Dungeon Masters alike, who wish to stick to their favorite game and polish it, rather than to buy a new game (again) they don't like.
You have Hero material too?!
What does modern stuff have to do with the price of tea in China?