no idea frankly, but I gues cityscape might have information about prices of housing based on district and social strata (call it an eductaed guess, am away from the books atm )
But, allow me the question, WHY would you want to puchase a house in Sasserine ?
yeah... he probably does. Enjoy !
My DM is laughing about the whole thing...I think he has some unexpected surprises for me...
No kidding, really ?
BTW if you are playing and want to keep things interesting and surpising - what are you doing on this board ?
ymmv-check with your D:
One of my PCs also wanted to purchase the building to set up his (their) own shop(s). I told him that the buildings were abandoned and a port city like Sasserine pretty much treats them as abandoned ships--through scavenging laws or "finders keepers".* Of course abandoned buildings were left for a reason and fixing them up brings back your original question--how much will it cost? iirc day labor is in the DMG (PH?) so it might be a little easier than purchasing a whole building.
*This...
::head c%%@:: Eh? About 6 sp will get ya a stay at an inn, and I doubt a standard longsword'll be a thousand or more dollars.
Different markets. Conversions between different types of goods should have different rates. The $50 == 1sp is usable, but a little low for housing IMO. For items like a longsword, I would go with something like $1-2 == 1sp, so a real world Longsword would run between $150-$300. A service like an Inn stay could convert at about $5-6 == 1sp (Think Motel 6).
I've found that, generally speaking, $50 = 1sp is a decent D&D conversion rate.
My players are working on this same premise, that they want to buy up all of those properties surrounding Dead Dog Alley, including the Nemian's shop, so that they can secure the area and start their own businesses and as a base of operations. Rather than give them salavage claims, I opted to make it more like the real world, where the State (or City in this case) would sieze the property of the criminals for resale at some later date. The party already presented the evidence regarding Nemian and the LD to the Dawn Council, and the watch's continued investigation bore out the Council's right to take it over. As to the abandoned houses nearby, the DC has them too.
Cheers!
My players wanted to buy a medium wooden warehouse and i priced it at 5000 gp. What do you think?
My players wanted to buy a medium wooden warehouse and i priced it at 5000 gp. What do you think?
heh I thought this was warhorse and I am wondering how many it seats! Enough people to open the gate at least.
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I've found that, generally speaking, $50 = 1sp is a decent D&D conversion rate.::head c!%%:: Eh? About 6 sp will get ya a stay at an inn, and I doubt a standard longsword'll be a thousand or more dollars.My rate is based on the idea that an unskilled laborer earns 1sp/day in D&D or $50/day in our world.
I see now that a Poor Inn stay is 2sp and a Poor Meal 1sp in 3rd Edition. OK, so give your unskilled laborer $30/day which makes a night at the Roadway Inn $60. Forget the Value-Menu meal for the purposes of this discussion because you can't use anything that is "industrialized".
I've seen old price guides for inns, taverns, stables and so forth from the pre-industrial Colonial American era and pretty much 1 Night = 1 Meal = 1 Feed & Stable = 1 Day's common wages.
Incidentally, a decent hand-made sword of any quality that you'd want to fight with will run you $500-1,200 and a modern katana can be $1,200-3.000 easily.
Historically, a single bastard sword cost a knight the equivalent of something like 14 oxen or a couple male slaves or whatever. The History Channel gave specifics once, and it wasn't cheap.
I stand by my initial numbers, and they've served me well.
Rez
I still question the pricing.
If we go back to the weapons, a well crafted sword (masterwork, if you will) will cost you... three hundred and fifteen gold. If we try to covert that using your adjusted currency exchange (1 silver= 30 dollars), then a masterwork longsword would cost... ninety-four thousand, five hundred dollars. A run of the mill longsword, produced quickly and in large quantities for soldiers and guards, would cost four thousand five hundred dollars. In modern days, an M16 (a more complex weapon, though mass produced) would cost around eight hundred dollars.
You see the problem? Now, I don't disagree with you on the point of the bastard sword, assuming it's well crafted, if we use the PHB as an example. Fourteen oxen would be about one hundred and fourty gold pieces, and adjusting for the greater usefulness of the beasts over the sword (manufactured weapons have a hell of a time breeding and providing milk), it would be about an even trade.
I just think your conversion rate is just plain wrong.
This sounds like awesome character development and a great way to tie your character into the campaign world.
Just out of curiosity about your character, when you encountered that hot mama in charge of the Lotus Dragons (whatever her name was), did you consider wooing her and ruling the Dragons with her? I'm interested in hearing how a social rogue dealt with that possiblity.
As for buying a house, if your DM has access to Dragon Magazine number...umm...333(?), the Worm Food article features an awesome fix-er-up building. It doesn't help you with the cost of buying one, but if your DM can let you claim a ruined building, this article has some fun rules for using craft skills and the like to fix it up.
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I still question the pricing.
If we go back to the weapons, a well crafted sword (masterwork, if you will) will cost you... three hundred and fifteen gold.Well, I have issues with the book there. +300gp whether you're making a masterwork dagger or masterwork bastard sword?
Instead I use a 10x multiplier for masterwork weapons and 5x for most other items. A masterwork longsword in my game is 150gp. Keep that number in mind.
Hm... point taken.
if we use the PHB as an example. Fourteen oxen would be about one hundred and fourty gold pieces, and adjusting for the greater usefulness of the beasts over the sword (manufactured weapons have a hell of a time breeding and providing milk), it would be about an even trade.14 oxen = 140gp
1 masterwork longsword (Dave's HR 10x cost multiplier) = 150gpAnd homefully things start to come into focus.
I really had no problem with the trade issue, that part made sense. What I had problems with was the real world currency conversion issue.
BTW, you can't make arguements with machined weapons like an M-16. Figure out the cost to craft one entirely by hand and then we can consider that. Still, probably better to stick with the pricing of swords, since people still actually make those by hand using traditional methods in the contemporary real-world.
I half and half agree with you; it WOULD be helluva expensive to handcraft an M16. However, if you consider the worth of the two weapons based on the of the weapons in their respective time periods, then they SHOULD be just about even.
... Uh... tell me if that made sense, because I have no idea.
I just think your conversion rate is just plain wrong.Such is your right. But I've found that for most hand-crafted non-weapon/non-armor mundane items in the book it's pretty good.
Since the OP wants to know property values to purchase buildings rather than the contents of an armory, I'm offering this value as accurate in my experience.
Consider that your examples try to cite contemporary items like assault weapons while I've been citing pre-industrial examples from the Middle Ages and Colonial America.
Not to get snippy, but I still stand by my numbers. $30-50/sp with the caveats above about weapons and armor.
Rez
I still say a fourty-five thousand dollar sword is utterly ridiculous.
Of course, we haven't even considered such things as inflation and whatnot...
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Not sure if you're saying just that my conversion value is wrong or that my entire use of a real-world conversion system is misguided.
Thinking about it, I think the fault lies in trying to convert fantasy gold currency to real world currency, especially when we have so little information on how their economy actually runs.
Now when I need to value a given product or service I can find out the real-world cost and get an in-game approximation that's in the right ballpark.
Point taken.
It made sense, but I disagree. Japanese sergeants carried both swords and rifles into combat in WW II and chose the overall value of the rifle significantly over the sword. Remember, D&D has repeating crossbows.
The point I had meant, but jacked up in explaining, is that a M-16 is regarded as a standard weapon for a grunt, as a longsword, or longspear, or whatever other weapon was considered a standard weapon for a grunt.
Though, for that to actually work, the M-16 would actually be the cheaper but comparable AK47...
Last session my GF got the spell Amanuensis in her spellbook for the first time, read the description and laughed "I've got a copy machine spell."
What's that spell from?
Thus, the M-16 has the value of an auto-loading improved rapid-shot 30 quarrel capacity repeating crossbow of distance not the value of a longsword. Tell me how much that magic item would cost.
I have no clue, but that WOULD BE AWESOME.
But yeah, I'll concede, because I really don't have enough information to argue on the grounds of common items worth. I swear that there's a source that says how much it costs for buildings somewhere on the net...
Good discussion, though. Now I gotta found out how to make the Magic Assault Rifle...
You might want to check out the strong hold builders guide to get a beter idea of some pricing. Also, just because a building is run down and vacant doesn't mean that the land isn't owned by someone.
It sounds like you aren't interested in the land above anyhow. I suggest clearing it and replacing it with a park or something and then having a fancy little access building constructed that leads down into the caves below.
The stronghold builders guide has prices for bar/Inn type rooms of varying levels of fanciness and you just buy the number of units you want to give you the size of establishment you are looking for and then multiply that by a certain ratio to account for the addition expense of trying to build underground.
What's that spell from?
cantrip, not a spell, cleric (ok, orison in this case) and sorcerer level 0, from "Spell Compendium", originally from MoF (and much higher leveled back then ),
Remember to bring an equal amount of paper/bookpages etc. for the copy. No illustations, schemata, illuminations (which might be nasty for the start of medieval pages...), sigils or prints either.
Also keep in mind, that you can only copy 2500 words/level, at 250 words/minute with a single use - and a GM might limit/cap that ( we did at level 5, 50 minutes duration )
Considering that an average "Dungeon" adventure is around 90000 words... and english being a pretty compact language, say, in comparison to German or French...
The "close" range might be problematic, since you could possibly copy a book kept in the next room under look and key, but visible through a grating or hole in the door. Strikes me as quite powerful for espionage purposes
The average Dungeon adventure is not anywhere near 90,000 words. That's longer than most pulp novels. In fact, the average Dungeon magazine isn't even that long, plus it has artwork, maps, ads, etc. taking up pages.Quoted from the Dungeon Writer's Guidlines, "Length: Our adventures typically range from 5,000 to 15,000 words in length."
For reference, 15,000 words would be a novella and 40,000 words a respectable short novel.
hmm I was (mis-)quoting from the editorial of Pathfinder#3 were JJ eulogized Nicolas Logue for his work on "the Hook Mountain Massacre" in the face of chaos, marriage and other adversity (one could almost get feeling that he actually liked Logue's work ), which he stated as "50000 words of backwood horror". Since the adventure itself is roughly half the issue of Pathfinder #3, I felt safe estimating the entire issue at about 90000 words.... averaging roughly a thousand words per page. Given the small print and twin columns I didn't consider that estimate too much off the target. Your assumption of 600 - 900 words/page in a normal font seems close enough as well.
Of course I should have typed PATHFINDER instead of DUNGEON...
...and perhaps I should not trust JJ as the editor-in-situ on the amount of work claimed in his forewords ?
mea culpa *grin*
We gamed over the weekend. We continued on to Krakens Cove.
We got p0wned.
Badly.
... Moved into a large room hung with cloth...and got whacked by a mutated dinosaur. This guy took one look at our mage and decided he was lunch. By the time we were done, the mage was dead, one rogue had been shot in the back with a lt. crossbow by our cleric (our DM plays the "1 is a fumble, if you confirm it I get to screw with you" rule..the cleric rolled a fumble, confirmed the fumble with another roll of 1, then rolled two 20's in a row for the "to hit" on the rogue and maxed out the critical damage. The guy went from +13 hp to -5 in the span of an eyeblink). ...
Ah, the dinosaur. Good times. (He pounced on and nearly killed my players' ranger, then turned on and did kill the figher/rogue (including a critical hit).)
(Don't take that as a rogue vs. fighter/rogue suggestion, by the way -- it was just a coincidence.)