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As long as it doesnt alter cannon please. Thats what did the realms in for alot of folks, myself included.
You do realize the difference between an event happening in a module and an event happening in a novel alter the same amount of "cannon" right?
Look at Curse of the Crimson Throne.. might as well tear out and throw away page 1 and 2 in module W1 because of CotCT. :)
Pathfinder just can't be novel driven and I think they're pretty much aware of that.
Side note, I've started on some fanfic.. when it'll be presentable is anyone's guess. ;)
As long as it doesnt alter cannon please. Thats what did the realms in for alot of folks, myself included.You do realize the difference between an event happening in a module and an event happening in a novel alter the same amount of "cannon" right?
Somewhat. The FR novels altered too much cannon with way too many flavor of the month RSE's (Realms Shaking Event). I dont mind an occasional update to an evolving world just not on the same scale as FR.
Ive been a fan of FR since the grey box, with every new novel changing and in some cases making my campaign hardcovers obsolete grated on me too much. I dont want to have to read 50 novels to keep my campaign setting up to date.I understand that im free to keep my Golarion as my Golarion and all that (i.e. cut out the stuff I dont want), but I dont want to have to start editing every campaign book just to decide what im going to keep because a novel changed this and that.
The APs and modules are always updating the areas that they take place in which is fine, some are small updates, some may be a little larger. This is ok at its present pace. I could ignore changes from the novels if they didnt creep into the sourcebooks frequently.
Do novels have to alter the sourcebooks anyhow? Couldnt they just be novels telling a story and giving us a feel for Golarion?
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That's exactly what they should be. Sadly Wizards allowed the novels to progress the setting instead of doing it via the supplements. However, it's understandable when you consider that Wizards publishes three times as many novels a year for the Realms compared to supplements. Novels are also lower risk then supplements.
I want Pathfinder novels.
I want Pathfinder Iconics in the novels (they don't have to always be the main character.)
I want Pathfinder novels to take place in the areas covered by the supplement.
If those three things can't be met, then there's no point to Pathfinder novels, they just become fantasy fiction (good or bad) with the Pathfinder logo on them.
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I'd like to read some Pathfinder novels as well. Do it like the t-shirts type thing, get something showing the initial interest to see if it's going to make it or not, then realize that not everyone on the Paizo message boards saw the poll and add in the ones who don't come to the boards but would still buy the novels :) I'd like to see how that poll is set up!
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Oh please no contests or votes.. I'm still reeling from the novel that was published via "contest" for Forgotten Realms.
We have no intention on running fiction contests or doing an open call for fiction. That path leads only to madness.
(As an aside, I went to high school with the FR novel contest winner. Small world!)
We have no intention on running fiction contests or doing an open call for fiction. That path leads only to madness.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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PATHFINDER FICTION CONFIRMED!
Then last week a new opportunity popped up. Everything came together: the timing, the tone, the comfort zone, the people. The project editor said I could mention it "whenever and wherever," so here goes: I'll be writing some serial fiction for Pathfinder, the RPG setting from Paizo Press. A dark fantasy tale, told in six "episodes." I've worked with Paizo before and have a very high opinion of their professionalism and their products. The email discussion with the editor gave me a strong sense that we were on the same page, which is always a good thing. They don't need the first episode until late September, which meshes perfectly with my writing schedule. And I'm in the mood to write the sort of story they're seeking. It all works. I am, in short, tickled.
Excellent News! Thanks for the scoop Lilith.
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PATHFINDER FICTION CONFIRMED!
Then last week a new opportunity popped up. Everything came together: the timing, the tone, the comfort zone, the people. The project editor said I could mention it "whenever and wherever," so here goes: I'll be writing some serial fiction for Pathfinder, the RPG setting from Paizo Press. A dark fantasy tale, told in six "episodes." I've worked with Paizo before and have a very high opinion of their professionalism and their products. The email discussion with the editor gave me a strong sense that we were on the same page, which is always a good thing. They don't need the first episode until late September, which meshes perfectly with my writing schedule. And I'm in the mood to write the sort of story they're seeking. It all works. I am, in short, tickled.From Elaine Cunningham's LiveJournal blog.
You know, as excited as I was about this last night, and as much as I want it to be novels, I think she has just been hired to do a full adventure path's worth of Pathfinder'S Journals. She mentioned it in a post about serialized fiction, and I don't think she would have grouped a set of six novels into a post on that topic. Maybe it'll be a new line or something of short stories released as a separate publication, but either way, I'm less stoked than I was last night when I read your initial post on the chat.
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Lol.. Mike vs Amber.. the brawl of the century. :)
Thunderdome... Two men enter. One man leaves.
err...Thunderdome... One man and one woman enter. One of them leaves, possibly the woman because a good kick to the kneecaps can really spoil someone's day and as much as I like Mike I don't think even his Ninja-like skills could survive a vicious kneecapping like that, so it looks like Amber will be writing the Pathfinder Novels, well at least the first one 'cause by that time Mike will have had time to plan his revenge from his wheelchair and wheelchair rage is just as much a killer as road rage only slightly less spoken about in polite circles, so if we're looking at a Trilogy then Part 1 will be by Amber and Part 2 by Mike but by that time they will probably be too busy plotting revenge a gainst the other that a new champion will arise and lock them both up inside the Thunderdome and throw away the key, taking the credit for all three as they leave Amber and Mike to maul, pike and chainsaw each other into oblivion.
**deep breath**
**pant, pant, pant**
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One of the main things I want from my Pathfinder Novels is to really flesh out the game world. I learnt more about the FR Campaign Setting from reading a crapload of novels than I did from reading slightly less than a load of crap of supplements.
A write up for a setting in a supplement is good, but it's nothing compared to actually reading an exciting story that takes place within that setting.
I do agree though that it should include the Iconics as the protagonists. They are already there and have backstories and personalities, why not use them.
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If it is a Journal for the Adventure Path, it seems likely to me to be be for AP #4 or later, since the first episodes of Second Darkness (AP #3) will be in the stores by September. (I may be in error in assuming that Paizo would want to run journals in batches of half a dozen concurrent with an Adventure Path.)
Edit:
Comments section on the livejournal Lilith linked to seems to confirm that it will be for Pathfinder.
It will be a serial, so it will be coming out in the monthly Patherfinder...
Since AP4 is going to be set in Cheliax, we might see a shift away from Eando Kline and pick up another Pathfinder or protagonist. I know that the Pathfinders are not welcome in Cheliax, so it could be something else. She did mention is being "dark fantasy" which could tie it in to the infernal nature of the nation.
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PATHFINDER FICTION CONFIRMED!
Then last week a new opportunity popped up. Everything came together: the timing, the tone, the comfort zone, the people. The project editor said I could mention it "whenever and wherever," so here goes: I'll be writing some serial fiction for Pathfinder, the RPG setting from Paizo Press. A dark fantasy tale, told in six "episodes." I've worked with Paizo before and have a very high opinion of their professionalism and their products. The email discussion with the editor gave me a strong sense that we were on the same page, which is always a good thing. They don't need the first episode until late September, which meshes perfectly with my writing schedule. And I'm in the mood to write the sort of story they're seeking. It all works. I am, in short, tickled.From Elaine Cunningham's LiveJournal blog.
Hmmm... a tale though. Kinda rules out the Journals if you ask me, unless the journals are going to be written more fluidly... like a journal written by an adventurer as he descended into the underdark and didn't make it out, but other adventurers found the journal.
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One of the main things I want from my Pathfinder Novels is to really flesh out the game world. I learnt more about the FR Campaign Setting from reading a crapload of novels than I did from reading slightly less than a load of crap of supplements. A write up for a setting in a supplement is good, but it's nothing compared to actually reading an exciting story that takes place within that setting.
*nods*
Novels would only help bring the setting to life, showing us the personality of people and their culture... which is why I don't want to see fiction set in it's own corner of the setting. What's the point if I can't play there?
I do agree though that it should include the Iconics as the protagonists. They are already there and have backstories and personalities, why not use them.
That and show their relationships and interactions with eachother. :)
Great news about the stories, but even if that hadn't happened, remember, there's always fan-fiction...
I'd also love to see a Pathfinder comic book series, but I'm not sure how feasible that would be...Paizo already has a fiction-publishing arm, but comics are something different. Maybe a webcomic?
Comics are probably the least feasible of all. Comics stores are littered with the corpses of failed RPG comics from DC's AD&D comic all the way through the newest incarnations of Dragonlance and Drizzt comics. Mainstream comic fans won't touch them (for the most part) and RPGers demand a higher quality than you can generally find in them.
I guess it could be done, but I think it should probably be the LAST thing on the growing list of things we want from Paizo...
I'd also love to see a Pathfinder comic book series, but I'm not sure how feasible that would be...Paizo already has a fiction-publishing arm, but comics are something different. Maybe a webcomic?
Comics are probably the least feasible of all. Comics stores are littered with the corpses of failed RPG comics from DC's AD&D comic all the way through the newest incarnations of Dragonlance and Drizzt comics. Mainstream comic fans won't touch them (for the most part) and RPGers demand a higher quality than you can generally find in them.
I guess it could be done, but I think it should probably be the LAST thing on the growing list of things we want from Paizo...
I don't know. You are probably right regarding a traditional book, but a webcomic would probably work. Downer was only once a month and many people liked it (I never figured out what was going on myself :). At once a week (or less) it could work as comics would not be able to change the world quickly, but could add a lot of flavor-especially in the art category. It could even be free to subscribers.
I am glad to hear about Cunningham though. O:) And I might also try some fan fiction (but probably not except as practice for my other writings :).
The Dragonlance and Drizzt comics are doing very well actually. So well they've start another D&D comic line to do a cross between all the settings.
Really? I hadn't heard that. I just know that they seem to never leave the shelf and usually wind up in the discount bin pretty quickly. At least around here.
I don't know. You are probably right regarding a traditional book, but a webcomic would probably work. Downer was only once a month and many people liked it (I never figured out what was going on myself :). At once a week (or less) it could work as comics would not be able to change the world quickly, but could add a lot of flavor-especially in the art category. It could even be free to subscribers.
Maybe Paizo could convince Rich Burlew to bring OotS over to Pathfinder!
One of the main things I want from my Pathfinder Novels is to really flesh out the game world. I learnt more about the FR Campaign Setting from reading a crapload of novels than I did from reading slightly less than a load of crap of supplements.
A write up for a setting in a supplement is good, but it's nothing compared to actually reading an exciting story that takes place within that setting.
I agree 100% with the following caveat:
Paizo has to provide oversight to ensure campaign consistency/integrity.
I was a big fan of the original two DragonLance trilogies. Once it got opened up to other authors, a great deal of setting consistency went out the window. There were some good stories told, but nothing ever rose to the level of what I considered to be the two canonical trilogies because I could never get past the glaring inconsistencies.
An approach that could work is for certain authors to be assigned as the "in-character" voice of particular characters/iconics. That way you could pass off discrepancies as differing points of view, much as was done in the Thieves' World anthologies.
I absolutely do not want to see different interpretations of the iconics by different authors where they are all "officially correct".
I also don't want a kingdom to suddenly change characteristics b/c of an author change either.
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That's because Dragonlance suffers from setting stagnation. Nothing progresses without Tracy and Margaret. All the novels written by other authors are filler or backstory novels who's outcome we already know.
(The new Lost Chronicles are very good, fill in some of the gasp of the Chronicles and Legacy trilogies.)
That said, consistency is important.
That's because Dragonlance suffers from setting stagnation. Nothing progresses without Tracy and Margaret. All the novels written by other authors are filler or backstory novels who's outcome we already know.
(The new Lost Chronicles are very good, fill in some of the gasp of the Chronicles and Legacy trilogies.)
That said, consistency is important.
Agreed. However, I felt taking shots at the Forgotten Realms novels was too close to shooting fish in a barrel so I went the DragonLance route.
Agreed. However, I felt taking shots at the Forgotten Realms novels was too close to shooting fish in a barrel so I went the DragonLance route.There are a lot of good novels worth checking out. Head over to candlekeep.com if you're interest. They'll help you find the right now.
I agree. Unfortunately, for every good FR novel I can find, I can point to more that were ok at best. The tone and depiction of the setting varied wildly from series to series and author to author. I got tired of searching for gold and picking up lemons.
I'll have to check out that site - the FR books I liked, I tended to really like.
I want Pathfinder fiction... be it novels , short stories or comix. How about publishing a anthology like GW's old 'Inferno!' . It had several short stories , plenty of good art & a few short comics to boot. Have it come out quaterly & have one or two trilogies a year in addition to it & it'd be golden. Anymore news on the Cunnimgham stories ? I think a a anthology like 'Inferno!' would be awsome. I'd collect & read them often.It would also be a way of testing the water with unknown or newer authors & artists. That & be a way to see if longer comics would be desired.
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They won't do comics, you can be certain of that. Lisa Stevens said that there isn't enough synergy between the comic book industry and the gaming industry. Of course, Paizo does what it does, SURPRISE! Anyway, she knows the numbers that prove it too.
The first books also won't be anthologies. There has to be "Big Name" authors on the covers in order to push the line hard for the first year and a half. An anthology would sell well over Paizo's subscriber network, but it would meet skepticism in the big commercial bookselling world. Big names have a verifiable bookselling track record. This would appear in the system booksellers use to make decisions on picking up a new line of books or not. There is no way around it.
The anthology will most likely introduce new authors and some we want (such as those on the Paizo team, say....ERIK MONA). Erik Mona said that anyone at Paizo would be excited to write a full-fledged fiction novel, but the fact is that it would take them out of their normal work cycle which would hurt Paizo's efforts in the RPG/Chronicles side of things. They do not consider that a worthy sacrifice, but an anthology would be doable in the later stages.
And of course, this is from what I understand. I am sure they have their own ideas, heheh.