Blasphemy! When did Cuthbert's alignment get changed from Lawful Neutral to Lawful Good? When did he ever begin accepting Lawful Evil clerics? How could he if he's Lawful Good? Arg!
Blasphemy! When did Cuthbert's alignment get changed from Lawful Neutral to Lawful Good? When did he ever begin accepting Lawful Evil clerics? How could he if he's Lawful Good? Arg!
In most (all?) 1st and 2nd ed Greyhawk sources (inlcuding the WoG boxed set from 1983), St. Cuthbert's alignment was LG (N) - Lawful Good with Neutral tendencies.
Well, ha-rumph, I believe everything I read in the PHB ... so I'm with the St. Cuthbert is LN -- with a big emphasis on the Lawful.
You old timers may remember the good old days, when kindly old St. Cuthbert did his healing out of the goodness of his heart and a righteous cause stirred him to action.
Well, it's the 21st century now, and St. Cuthy is bad ass who don't take no guff from any wussy LG deities. He's stopping out evil on his terms, and that's the way it's gonna be. You all can get on board or get left behind.
Ha-rumph!
IIRC (and the books are at home and I'm not) St Cuthbert of the Cudgel was LN back in the From The Ashes boxed set.
And while I know some 'Hawkers aren't fans of that work, it lends some credence to the alignment existing prior to the PHB needing an LN deity.
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IIRC (and the books are at home and I'm not) St Cuthbert of the Cudgel was LN back in the From The Ashes boxed set.
And while I know some 'Hawkers aren't fans of that work, it lends some credence to the alignment existing prior to the PHB needing an LN deity.
LG (LN) in From the Ashes, just like in the '83 boxed set. You need to check the card that lists the gods, it isn't in the Atlas of the Flanaess.
Sooo...if he is in fact LG, how can he have LE clerics and absolutely no NG?
Sooo...if he is in fact LG, how can he have LE clerics and absolutely no NG?
I assume that the LE clerics mentioned are a minor cult that does not draw it's power from St. Cuthbert. Several of St. Cuthbert's ideals would be appropriate for the LE cultists and only minor changes would be required for them completely match the cultist's evil.
(Game mechanics aside) there's a difference between LN(G) and LG(N)? They're both represented by the same plane, Arcadia, that Cuthbert resides on.
Personally, I'd chalk up the difference to semantics (and semantics which would make for awesome theological spats among his clergy).
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(Game mechanics aside) there's a difference between LN(G) and LG(N)? They're both represented by the same plane, Arcadia, that Cuthbert resides on.
Personally, I'd chalk up the difference to semantics (and semantics which would make for awesome theological spats among his clergy).
As usual, Todd, I like your argument and general way of thinking. :)
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Well that's been the best breath of fresh air the core faiths articles have given, in that we now have more than vauge info. We have dogma, and lots of story potential.
Before Core Faiths:
"Um yeah Wee Jas is this chick with a thing for death and magic. She must be this goth chick."
"Hextor? Like a Barbarian but lawful, HEXTOR SMASH!"
Core Faiths makes you want to do more than pick a deity that fits with your alignment.
I'm with you, Matt- The next time I play a cleric, it will simply HAVE to be a Cuthbertinian. Crumpled hat, cloak, cudgel, the works. More ranks in Professions and Crafts than in Knowledges. Will likely carry hand-crafted copies of the Parables of the Wise Fool and the other book of the faith to hand out to people.
That's one thing that really curdles my milk about this change: No more Core Beliefs. I mean, the Vecna article made Vecna interesting again, and Hextor? I basicaly ignored Hextor until I read his article. I'd kill (lawl) for a Nerull article. If anything can make that guy interesting again, it's him. But that's me- I like death gods...
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That's one thing that really curdles my milk about this change: No more Core Beliefs. I mean, the Vecna article made Vecna interesting again, and Hextor? I basicaly ignored Hextor until I read his article. I'd kill (lawl) for a Nerull article. If anything can make that guy interesting again, it's him. But that's me- I like death gods...
*nods* I'd have liked a Zuoken article as well, since he's an XPH 'Core' Deity.
Guys, I gotta say that your kudos about the Core Beliefs articles give me the shivers. I'm really happy you enjoyed them so much, because I really enjoyed the opportunity to do pages of material on each of these GH deities. And kudos to Erik and the Paizo gang for wanting to do them in the first place. :)