well, I have a battle coming up against skaven, whatever their engineering guild is this weekend; 1000 points; am playing choas mortals and have built 3 different army lists, but sheesh, it sure looks like I am going to get pasted. I saw this guys 1k pt army last week at it had nearly 80 guys in it; 10 of which are jezels, one warp cannon and a whole bunch of guys with repeater pistols. Am a bit intimidated; I have never lost a game ever; had several draws and all by never been wiped or even given up a marginal victory; everyone is crowing that I am going down. I am going through the book and codex over and over to find something I can do to hang with that many numbers and that much firepower.
has anyone had success against skaven with choas mortals that can offer some advice; I have only played them twice; mostly play empire in fantasy and play a lot more 40k. I have noticed that in the ongoing worldwide campaign that choas is really doing poorly; and as expected the elves and brettonia are doing the best; on guy in our group is the number two wood elf player worldwide, hehe he changed from dark elves when I spanked him but hard.
anyway; am bit nervous about this game; could use some insight.
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well, I have a battle coming up against skaven, whatever their engineering guild is this weekend; 1000 points; am playing choas mortals and have built 3 different army lists, but sheesh, it sure looks like I am going to get pasted. I saw this guys 1k pt army last week at it had nearly 80 guys in it; 10 of which are jezels, one warp cannon and a whole bunch of guys with repeater pistols. Am a bit intimidated; I have never lost a game ever; had several draws and all by never been wiped or even given up a marginal victory; everyone is crowing that I am going down. I am going through the book and codex over and over to find something I can do to hang with that many numbers and that much firepower.
has anyone had success against skaven with choas mortals that can offer some advice; I have only played them twice; mostly play empire in fantasy and play a lot more 40k. I have noticed that in the ongoing worldwide campaign that choas is really doing poorly; and as expected the elves and brettonia are doing the best; on guy in our group is the number two wood elf player worldwide, hehe he changed from dark elves when I spanked him but hard.
anyway; am bit nervous about this game; could use some insight.
Only played FTB once. Otherwise, i play a weekly campaign of WFRP.
Best of luck...
Thoth-Amon
You are going to be outnumbered! Attack their general, force them to take fear and leadership tests, break their ranks and give your troops items and banners that mess with the skaven rubbish moral. If they have large units make sure to flank them so they break.
Apart from that -good luck! ;)
Edit: Ulthuan Forever!
Well, I went with a mortal tzeentch army with two heroes and one undivided wizard all level two sorcereresses and two chariots of tzeentch and completely wiped the skaven from the field; by turn 6 he had not one rat left on the feild and I had only taken one wound to a chariot so a flawless victory on my part. the guy was a pretty poor general and let me flank his whole army; he didnt bring any wizards or heroes against me.
Great victory!! Congrats--never played WH, but it sounds and looks intriguing.
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I need to get further into fantasy, I picked up a lot of stuff a few years back when I wanted to be an outrider, and only played once or twice.
I have a few k of empire and about the same of orcs and gobbos
(the orcs and gobbos or for sale)
Anyway, congrats on the victory, I only get to do such things in 40k occasionally...
I loved swatting down the "unbeatable" khorne army in two turns in my last tourney
Khorne is not unbeatable; you just have to prepare for some tuff heroes; The Empire can beat anyone on any given day, I am not saying they are the tuffest or anything; just am saying they can hang with anyone and are not pushovers; I played them for decades; am trying something new with chaos.
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ahh, that was a khornish 40k army i referred to...
I had wanted to play bretonnia, back in the day they came in the box, but I didn't like the way they went with the new army books, so they are shelved, and my empire would be my main, if I ever played.
Oh and I have some high elves... well really I have an army concept, a lord on a dragon, one squad, and a desire to play but everything I hear says to wait for their new book
yeah, the new books have everything cheaper, but only a few of them are out so far. 40k Khorne is never a problem for my Tau; the hardest army I faced was the flippin Eldar.
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The most devastating defeat i ever had was at the hands of dark eldar... 6 10 man squads with 2 dark lances each...
I at 1k of marines, including a scratch built land raider from before the new model came out...
it was two turns before i folded
I haven't faced the new eldar, my marines are pretty solid, my tau have won a whoopping 1 game so far, making their record 1/803978012984109... and my guard aren't much better
Eldar tanks and walkers seem to have way to many defenses; geez they had multiple saves against everything; i just couldnt even hurt one. Their troops died like flies, but sheesh I had to have nearly everyone shoot at the same walker so the silly thing would fail a few saves and everything is glancing against them as well, was a tuff tuff fight.
I have yet to loose playing my tau and I have been playing them since they were first released; usually play every other week with taking some breaks or about 20 or so games a year against any opponent; havent played agaisnt another tau guy; that would be wierd though.
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well, I have a battle coming up against skaven, whatever their engineering guild is this weekend; 1000 points; am playing choas mortals and have built 3 different army lists, but sheesh, it sure looks like I am going to get pasted. I saw this guys 1k pt army last week at it had nearly 80 guys in it; 10 of which are jezels, one warp cannon and a whole bunch of guys with repeater pistols. Am a bit intimidated; I have never lost a game ever; had several draws and all by never been wiped or even given up a marginal victory; everyone is crowing that I am going down. I am going through the book and codex over and over to find something I can do to hang with that many numbers and that much firepower.
has anyone had success against skaven with choas mortals that can offer some advice; I have only played them twice; mostly play empire in fantasy and play a lot more 40k. I have noticed that in the ongoing worldwide campaign that choas is really doing poorly; and as expected the elves and brettonia are doing the best; on guy in our group is the number two wood elf player worldwide, hehe he changed from dark elves when I spanked him but hard.
anyway; am bit nervous about this game; could use some insight.
Get stuck in to them!
Your great strength is your powerful troops like the knights and warriors but these don't stand a chance against continuous shooting and a warp cannon. Plus those jezails are deadly, I saw a 1500 pt convention army with 36 of them and you just cannot stand back.
That means you need to be in to him within two turns, so the marauders and knights need to charge and hit the right targets (not storm vermin et al) or as suggested go round the sides.
Also use lots of chaos warhounds to screen the fire in turn 1 and hit the cannon etc.
Finally I hate skaven magic (not that keen on magic in 7th ed anyway). I always take maximum spellcasters, and a banner of wrath in the knights to lay down some serious magical damage. At 1000 pts though the Lore of Fire has the most decent spells for combat.
What about Marks, is your Army Undivided? If so, then you could take Archaons Horde from the Storm of Chaos book and that gives you a few little extras (although no hellcannon at 1000pts).
Finally as a rare choice you could include a couple of Spawn, Spawn of Slaanesh are like grease lightning and they cause fear too. That should get in amongst the ratmen.
Cheers
Thanks for the input; my general is undivided so I can take units with any mark under him which is cool.
we just had one of our massive tank battles, meaning 9 tables put together and a free for all with anyone who has a thing with an armor value or a monsterous beast feilds everything they can hopped up as much as you can at no point limit; some guys fielded like 50 tanks, but most of us had like 10 or so; I took second place with my Tau having one hammerhead with 6 kills (was crazy that I had a devilfish with 4 kills, wierd eh and no missled used). Anyway, I wond a 10 dallor gift certificate. I was in a real nutcracker surrounded and taking on 4 guys at once; was a fun afternoon. As soon as they post the pics, I will let you guys know the link. I fielded 5 Piranah, 2 devilfish, two hammerheads and killed 15 tanks overall. My piranah and devilfish mostly rained death down on troop carriers and bink models while my hammers took on main battle tanks and walkers.
well, bank to the nemisis campaign; last time I looked I was tied for 1st place for chaos in the country. Will be probably taking on wood elves or high elves next; that is going to be real tuff also.
Looks like my next battle in the nemisis campaign is going to be high elves; sheesh, dont know much about their army list...except their calvary is somewhat better than mine; ie they have lances and move faster and their general troops are faster; i dread bolt throwers.
I never really played but i bought the battle of skull pass set and i won a raffle, two actually, at the local shop and won a lizardman army and lord croc gar.I bought the army book for my lizardmen and my wife wants to play wood elves and bought the army book.ill have to sit down some time and learn to play...it does seem like a lot of fun.
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High Elves is a different kettle of fish entirely.
My chaos force was murdered by them.It was their magical items and spells that did the real damage, everything else worked well together but the magic ... One wizard had a ring that made him immune to fire (magic or otherwise), watch out for that.
Ranked up units of elven spearmen as well hurt us.
Cavalry and chariots added to the pain, in fact the worst part was their general mobility. They kept fleeing from my charges and then rallying as part of some nasty trap or another.
My guess is that you need to try and get your hands on their book or have a practice or two before the real battle.
Anyway the high elves are about to be re-vamped at the end of the year, which will only make them nastier, so now's a good time to play them.
Cheers
hehe; I figure it is not worth trying to match all their special units with high priced guys; am thinking to go for numbers; is a 1500 pt battle so am thinking two units of 20 maurader horsemen and 15 chaos furies and three hero types and try to dampen their magic with dispel scrolls. I should then outnumber his forces and hopefully with a rank bonus be able to crack his units and hopefully not die to bolt thrower skewers. Am not to worried about his core choices, sheesh, but he has a whole lot of special and rare choices from hell. I dont figure taking any foot troops will be worthwhile as they will never get engages as all the elves are faster than they are and heavy horse might be worthwhile, but doesnt leave me with many troops so will probably not get the outnumber bonus or much rank bonus and if I get charged, that will not be good; lot of tuff decisions to make.
Don't marauder horsemen count as light cavalry? If so, then you should use smaller units (5 or 6 per unit). You can't get any rank bonus from light cavalry, and losing large units from combat resolution isn't fun.
true; no rank bonus, but can get bonus for a standard but still might be unwise to take; hmm; 5 or 6 just doesnt let you take more than one loss before a panic test; guess I will look again at the knights and maybe sheild them from fire with dogs or mauraders. I had forgotten they were fast calvary and the no rank bonus.
to magic or not to magic seems to be the question; am thinking even with all khorne I cant shutdown the magic phase and with 3 mages am not sure I can controll it that way either; choices choices; wonder what he is considering about me as I can go all thug or all mage or mage/thug or hehe anything but shooting. Hardest part of this game is trying to prepare for any scenario, monster, magic, special units; hehe keeps me up at night.
well, took Chaos chosen knights of khorne and a exalted hero in them; 15 marauder horsemen, 14 furies and an exalted demon of khorne; had a tough fight; marauders were a meatsheild and ran off the field in the second turn do to shooting, but dragged his dragonrider calvary out of position for two turns and saved my knights from several vollies of the dreaded bolt throwers; the furies killed a bolt thrower and a archer unit, but got killed by a side hit from the spearmen; my knights destroyed his spearmen, his blademasters and my exalted killed a unit of archers who failed a break test; then pursued into and killed the other bolt thrower; the turn 6 battle was a hold your breath as my deamon was way out of position at the destroyed bolt throwe and it was my khorn knights against his dragon knights, but I killed enough to outnumber and was riding a demon so caused fear and he rolled an 11 so luck was my way; he was fleeing on turn 6 but I could not catch him. Massacre won by Chaos, but a very tough and fun game.
He only had one mage; so had enough dispel dice to shut him down; wonder how my magic guys would have done.
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Skaven have poor Ld. Fear affecting models are a must.
Other than that I don't know either army all that much.
I suggest Chaos Send in its own Skaven Troops...With a Demon Leader. That can go along way to throwing off leadership issues and realy make them a scary foe to be reckoned with. With a bit of confusion and leadership, you can recruit the enemy.
Does anyone remember a miniature with Rats using Muskets (late 80's-early 90's)? I dont think it was Citadel Miniatures.
hehe I dont have any or remember any minis of rats with muskets, but then I dont know any old rat players.
hehe I am playing fantasy to take a break from a long 40k campaign though a couple of weeks back we had a giant tank battle with, I think the final count was, 223 tanks; i took second place :)
We are all doing the Nemisis Campaign in our group.
Any of you ever play Mordheim? I used to have a Witch Hunters warband and had lots of fun with them -didn't win much though. ;)
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I have whored myself out to everything GW has recently made aside from blood bowl to one degree or another.
I missed out on some of the really old stuff, like space hulk and the other board games...
Personally, I am of the opinion that 40k 4th is having a massive identity crisis, and hopefully it will rise like a pheonix in 5th edition.
The whole amazingly versatile lists (IG, SM, 'nids) vs the carved in stone (eldar, dark angels) is really starting to offend me. I can't understand why they can't seem to get a vision together, and use it.
GRRRR
Ok, really i am pissed because i started a massive project i have been putting off for years, to goet all my marines put into actual permanent squads, with all the appropriate conversions, and they are talking about doing another SM codex more like the dark angels or blood angels.
I was about to order 75$ worth of bits to get my sergeants how i wanted, and finish out my squads... now it is back on the shelf and i am taking a "wait and see" attitude
Well, the main game store we all play at was so impressed with our 200+ tank battle; that now they are pitching to us interest in a massive infantry only battle where everyone brings their infantry and we all mob each other :) WH40K, I dont have many tanks, but I have loads of infantry.
well, Nemisis Crown is over; need to check my standing; was #1 in the SW region last week :)