Oh jeez, back in the day, we didn't even HAVE fermented yak milk. We had to eat ROCKS. They didn't taste very good, let me tell you. Sort of like McDonald's Filet O Fish, but with more calcite.
And school? I had to walk thirty miles to school every day, which was hard, because it took me three days to go that far. It was uphill both ways all year round in the snow and bitter cold, bugs, heat, rains of acid, burning comet storms and dragon attacks. Often, all at the same time.
Oh, those were the days...
When I was a primordial goo we only had each other to eat and we had no senses other than the desire to split in two.
I saw BOC free in 1986. Buck Dharma. Woah.
And Savatage opened for them. At first the guitar wasn't plugged in. There were these two old guys behind me straight out of the untitled thread, shouting "durn it up!!! Uh caint heer thu git-dar!!!"
I saw Savatage in Long Island back in the eighties. I heard their singer died a while back.
Speaking of which... hey old gamers... did you all play that first experimental text adventure Hall of the Mountain King? When I was a kid I got a chance to play it on a big Wang at the university. (watch it)
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When I was a primordial goo we only had each other to eat and we had no senses other than the desire to split into two.Oh jeez, back in the day, we didn't even HAVE fermented yak milk. We had to eat ROCKS. They didn't taste very good, let me tell you. Sort of like McDonald's Filet O Fish, but with more calcite.
And school? I had to walk thirty miles to school every day, which was hard, because it took me three days to go that far. It was uphill both ways all year round in the snow and bitter cold, bugs, heat, rains of acid, burning comet storms and dragon attacks. Often, all at the same time.
Oh, those were the days...
Well...
S%@%! Why does someone always have to one-up my threadjackeriness?
I had it in cueiform.
(edit) before they invented "n."
You must have the Sumer time blues.
Do you usually play a Kish?You must have the Sumer time blues.I had it in cueiform.
(edit) before they invented "n."
I played a benefit concert in Kish to raise money to buy Zababa a knish once. Does that count?
Well...s!%!! Why does someone always have to one-up my threadjackeriness?
Let is all revel in our threadjackerishnous.
Oh Wow... I just saw three people mention Morrow Project on one page. I'm stunned and thrilled. Such a great game, I wish I knew where my copy went. :(
Oh Wow... I just saw three people mention Morrow Project on one page. I'm stunned and thrilled. Such a great game, I wish I knew where my copy went.
Yeah, it’s an oldie but goodie; one of the few “high-tech” games I would play. I remember the days of Metamorphosis Alpha, Aftermath, 007, Paranoia, (not to mention Traveler, et al) and a slew of other RPGs that were futuristic. I just couldn’t get in to them the way I did D&D.
Speaking of “oldies but goodies”, does anyone out there have a copy of City-state of the Mad Overlord they’re willing to part with really cheap or know where I can get one really cheap? By “really cheap” I do mean next to nothing, a couple of bucks or so? Or, how about Thunderhold or Palace of the Vampire Queen?
You'll take my life, but I'll take your's too....
You'll fire your musket but I'll run you through...
Those lines were actually running through my head as I posted.
Blue Oyster Cult maybe
I call foul, because the guy who INVENTED the Melnibonean mythos played drums for BOC. Too obvious an in-game connection!
Blue Oyster Cult maybeI call foul, because the guy who INVENTED the Melnibonean mythos played drums for BOC. Too obvious an in-game connection!
Moorcock just co-wrote Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars, Black Blade, and Great Sun Jester with BOC singer Eric Bloom (Edit: last two songs with J. Trivers as well) Did he actually get onstage with them once and beat skins??
EDIT: Wait, I see he performed live with them at the 1987 Dragon Con.
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Speaking of “oldies but goodies”, does anyone out there have a copy of City-state of the Mad Overlord they’re willing to part with really cheap or know where I can get one really cheap? By “really cheap” I do mean next to nothing, a couple of bucks or so? Or, how about Thunderhold or Palace of the Vampire Queen?
Do you mean "City State of the Invincible Overlord"? (I don't recognize "... Mad Overlord" -- and if you mean CSIO, searching for the latter won't work very well.)
There have apparently been five different versions of CSIO (per Wikipedia); I consider the Guide to the City State a part of the first edition. IME, they all command respectable prices at auction. The most available is probably the d20 edition that's currently sold at retail.
(Sorry, but I'm not interested in selling any of my old Judges' Guild stuff.)
Yeah, it’s an oldie but goodie; one of the few “high-tech” games I would play. I remember the days of Metamorphosis Alpha, Aftermath, 007, Paranoia, (not to mention Traveler, et al) and a slew of other RPGs that were futuristic. I just couldn’t get in to them the way I did D&D.Speaking of “oldies but goodies”, does anyone out there have a copy of City-state of the Mad Overlord they’re willing to part with really cheap or know where I can get one really cheap? By “really cheap” I do mean next to nothing, a couple of bucks or so? Or, how about Thunderhold or Palace of the Vampire Queen?
I bought it for the concept. We played it a few times and my party LOVED it. I started on the sci-fi games as well, so I've played most of those you mentioned. We tried all of them, but our hearts belonged to D&D, we always came back.
My wife's a big BOC fan... odd, when you consider that she never listened to anything other than Dance and Hip-Hop until she met me (shrugs).
007
Compared to 2e, Victory Games 007 rules were like an ice pack after being hit by a 2 x 4. We even converted our 2e characters to 007 at one point and played part of the campaign under those rules. (And actually enjoyed it better than with 1e or 2e.)
My opinion, an old gamer should have 20 years gaming under his belt, no matter the game. If you have played D&D for 20+ years then you have played at least 2nd ed. I think as far as D&D goes, you need to have played 1st ed but when it was in print. To have played in the late 80s or later is not the same. A youg gamer started with 3rd ed or 3.5. If you played any time in the 90s and started with 2nd then you are maturing, you have passed adolesecse into adulthood.
AS for me, I started in the spring of '79 at the age of 11. I played a basic fighter given to me to get started. We played B2 and i fell in love with it. All the orcs had Pig heads. The next day we played C2: The Hidden Shrine of Tomoakan. I tok the pre rolled charactor Cair, an Elf Magic user/ Thief. I liked the charactor so much i keept it ran it up to 49th/33rd MU/Thief. I made my own charactor sheets because all i could find were Basic D&D sheets and my AD&D charactor whould work on it. I still have every version of Cair. I bought the PHB and the DMG in 79 and still have both books in great shape. I do have the DDG with the Melnibonain and Nehwan Mythos. (by the way, Moorcock can be mostly associated with the British band Hawkwind. They were all friends back in the 60's before the band was formed and not only do they perform songs that moorcock has written for them, but he has performed with them many times. I have a live album they did, with moorcock narating called "The saga of Elric of Melnibonae" which is bassicly book one. a good band, check them out) I have most of the 1st ed modules as well as the Greyhawk box set. I had that map on my wall.
to edit. the Hawkwind album is "The Chronicle of the Black Sword".
I made a smooth transition to 2nd ed, where my homebrew campaign started. I vehemently rejected 3rd ed even though many of the changes incorprated our own house rules. I picked up 3.5 only because i had been playing the D20 Star Wars and liked the game mechanics.
I could so go on. Any way, I have always liked these types of threads. I like hearing what others have done, remembering what i have done and hearing aobut the stuff done before I got involved in the game. Especially the Avalone Hill people. I used to have an old Axis and Allies published by Avalon Hill. It fell apart.
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Oh, you're also an old gamer if when Iron Maiden's "The Trooper" came out and it was the main song you played on your boom-box during combat in a game. It was on tape casette too. That and "Two Minutes to Midnight".
Boo-yah! Of course, they were on different albums, but that didn't matter because I made an AD&D ass-kicker mix tape. Mostly Maiden and Accept, with some stuff off Metallica's "Kill 'em all" and, yes, BOC. Good times!
I've played on and off for about 20 years now (I'd rate myself a level 13 gamer), but I've never owned (or played with) the colour-coded box sets. I've never played Planescape, and I never cared for Ravenloft or Dark Sun. And I'm not in any way old school - compared with the material WotC and Paizo are putting out these days, most of the "classic" stuff was, in so many words, hooey. Even as a 12-year old, I thought "Keep on the borderlands" was dumb. The development of AD&D/D&D is conclusive evidence that evolution works...
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I played Hallowed Be Thy Name (vox and bass) when I was 17, opening up for TNT. It was my first real show and 1,500 TNT, TT QUICK and Sacred Steel fans went nuts... because they actually thought they were going to see TNT later that night. Some kind of snafu with TNT pulling out last second because their entire pyrotechnic show was disallowed inside the county center at the last moment over insurance reasons.
I'm so glad I got off the stage when I did. Fifteen minutes later and they would have had my unsigned head.
Considering how much hairspray that building must have contained, it was probably a good thing that the flamethrowers were disallowed...
Considering how much hairspray that building must have contained, it was probably a good thing that the flamethrowers were disallowed...
That was a bit before the guys were using hairspray, but the girls would have sent the place up in seconds.
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This must have been the "Knights of the new thunder" tour, right? At that time, TNT was going through a miraculous transformation from a band of greasy losers singing in Norwegian about loose women and motorcycles fronted by the leather dude in this video (which, incidentally, is regarded as the biggest Norwegian rock classic of all time...) into the Tony Harnell-led super-slick pop metal outfit of the late 1980s. Quite the change - and for the better, too. As for the hairspray, well...
This must have been the "Knights of the new thunder" tour, right?
I didn't know a thing about them at the time, other than that everyone else seemed to know who they were. About six years later Ronni le Tekro would hear my demo at a place called Fireball Management and say he really liked my voice.
I thank him for that. :)) Very gracious.
So, in Seville, they called Zababa "Figaro."
This is not verified by wikipedia.
That's easy enough to fix. ;-)
Zababa, the patron god of Kish, an ancient Sumerian city.
Also a great baby talk word.
Also sounds like something I'd like to eat, even though I don't know what it is.
hehe Heathansson strikes again :) not sure what this has to do with the topic though, but coffee out of the nose is always a hoot.
Compared to 2e, Victory Games 007 rules were like an ice pack after being hit by a 2 x 4. We even converted our 2e characters to 007 at one point and played part of the campaign under those rules. (And actually enjoyed it better than with 1e or 2e.)
We played a stint of 007 during the 2nd ed. days too. What I remember most is the optional character flaws - every single person in our group took 'ego-signature'. To us it wasn't even a flaw. If we ever killed anyone it was hilarious, I can just imagine the cops finding some assasinated diplomat pratically buried in 'calling cards': a red rose, the ace of spades, a razer blade under the tongue, an insignia branded into their wrist, and a current copy of the wallstreet journal.
I think a bunch of us also took the flaw 'lecherous', it was James Bond after all... If I recall I think that was how most of our characters ended up getting arrested and captured.
I'm an old gamer. ...
Transitioned to AD&D 1e: December 1980
I guess since I refer to it as AD&D I am an 'old gamer,' though great wyrm is a better term. All you hatchlings refer to it as 1ed. Let alone the blue and red boxes (do those become .25 and 25 ed?)
Back in my day...
...we had to color our own dice in order to read the numbers, no one pre-inked them in a factory for us.
...buying a character sheet was a luxury (a luxury I tell ye) we had to steal college ruled paper from our homework notebook.
...quiltboards were the only grids and graph paper was expensive. Dry erase? what's dry erase?
...most monsters looked like Modrons (with crayon on their faces), no one made us critter packs.
...we had to hide in the basement to avoid the demon-worshipper hating troglodytes the FLGS was actually a comic shop then and did not have a table for anyone to play on.
...we went straight from a +1 longsword to a +5 holy avenger and had to kill the dragon to get it, there were no magic shops.
..when there was a ruling dispute the DM had the final word (and a blue dragon with teleportation skills). We agreed or we got 'et. We did not have any electonic forums for discussion.
...monsters didn't have classes, we just fought more monsters...in the snow...uphill.
Yeah, I fought monsters in the snow, uphill, both ways.
I played 1e while it was still in print, and remember the big deal when Forgotten Realms first came out. I made my first FR characters under 1e rules, and all my friends were excited (and maybe a little annoyed) when 2e first came out (not too long after the first FR sets, but my memory may be compressing that time).
I'll have to wrack my brains for more stories of how old of a gamer I am, but that's all I've got for now.
Let's just say my gaming age is like my computer age. There's people who've played with older gaming systems than I (say, the original booklets that would become D&D),but not many.
Just like I used to play on old Commodore PETs and TRS 80s, and connect to the Internet at 300 baud. Using those modems with soft cups you stuck the phone handset into, rather than connecting the line to the modem. There's people out there who've been computing and using the Internet longer than I have, but not many.
Blue Oyster Cult maybeI call foul, because the guy who INVENTED the Melnibonean mythos played drums for BOC. Too obvious an in-game connection!Moorcock just co-wrote Veteran of a Thousand Psychic Wars, Black Blade, and Great Sun Jester with BOC singer Eric Bloom (Edit: last two songs with J. Trivers as well) Did he actually get onstage with them once and beat skins??
EDIT: Wait, I see he performed live with them at the 1987 Dragon Con.
I'm pretty sure he was the guitarist for Hawkwind at one stage.
Fun fact: The only other thing I know about Hawkwind is that on an episode of the Young Ones Neil says something like "this music's heavy man, can we put on some Hawkwind or Marillion?" Then Vivian probably clubbed him into unconsciousness with a cricket bat or something.
wow; Scott you brought back an old memory; wow buying character sheets. I havent done that in ages since pc became popular, but in the old days I had these great Armory Character sheets; blast from the past; nobody does this anymore; none tech peeps just download one of the various character sheets and we more savy just use and Excel program so that any change in stats or points is configured to update every other thing that uses it.
Been a long time since I have seen someone write a character on paper and ask; uhm what order are the stats in; uhm; Str, then what Int? Damnabit; you just spilled your Coke on Bob the halfling; Bob is drowning; anyone got another sheet of paper <someone offers a purchased character sheet> cool dude; wow this rocks; but hey, I am not gonna use this until I get to 5th level; cause I might die; anyone got a piece of paper?
hehe lol the old days.
I thought it would be fun to resurrect this thread.
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Back in my day...
...we had to color our own dice in order to read the numbers, no one pre-inked them in a factory for us.
I STILL have to explain to people that the RED numbers are high and the BLUE numbers are low on my colored in d20. Then I explain it came from the original set and they get all "oh, you're like, old, right". Sigh.
An old gamer is one that can't fully remember when it was he started playing DnD, just that it was sometime in the middle 1970's. :-)
I remember trying to get our local game store (the only one around) to get in copies of Chainmail because DnD required those rules for combat and the brain dead owner only ordered DnD. (imagine an 11 year old trying to explain this to a chess guy.) There, that should carbon date me pretty good. Does anyone remember when that is?
The ironic thing is the updated sets were already out, just hadn't gotten to us yet. So I played a bit with the chainmail then moved over to the "new improved" version.
I've played DnD at least once a month or so for over 30 years. Sometimes everyday (college is great!), sometimes less then that, but on average. I'm very lucky.
So really it's all relative. The OP is age 24. He's not even old. Bastard. :-)
Pete
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I first started playing with 2.0 it only lasted 2 sessions before the DM went into the military.. next time i played was college and 3.5.... but before that I was reading all the original modules and dragon magazines in the teens that my uncle had left at my grandfather's house - I had been doing this since I was 7. I am now 24. which am I?
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I will turn 50 at the end of this coming August.
Thank goodness, the highest I'd seen so far was 39, and I was afraid that, at 40, I would have to be the one put out to pasture...
We used Gods, Demigods & Heroes in my 1st D&D game, and stuff from Judges Guild (Dark Tower!) and Arduin Grimoire. But I played a lot of Villains & Vigilantes, too.
Played every edition since (and a dozen or so other game systems), liking some changes, not being too fond of others.
Upgraded a year or so ago to the 2nd edition of Mutants & Masterminds, so I guess I'm not too old to adopt a new system from time to time (although I still prefer the 3rd edition of GURPS and the old 13 Clan World of Darkness with Sons of Ether and the Technocracy).
I will turn 50 at the end of this coming August.
I started playing in February 1977, so I’ve been at it 30 years. (That’s why Doug and I may tie – he’s 3 years younger but has been playing 3 years longer – so it’s a tie, at best). I couldn’t play much earlier than that because the game had only been published for 2-3 years before that, and I had to enlist in the USAF to get out of the small town I grew up in and get introduced to real life before I found it.
I turn 38 this year, but I come pretty close to this. I think I first played "D&D" -- this wacky homebrew thing that bore no relation to actual D&D, and was played with a single six sider -- at about age 9 or 10, which would have been '79/'80. I was playing actual 1e D&D by '82, and played under 1e for a long time. It was a big thing for our group when 2e came out. We'd been playing in the Realms for a while, and were excited for the new edition. We were excited whn the Option books came out.
Then I stopped playing D&D for a while, mostly because none of my players wanted to play it. THey wanted to play Shadowrun. I even had periods where I didn't play for a year or more.
But that's all to say I'm definitely an old gamer. Fatespinner counts as an old gamer for me. He's been playing a while, too.
Wow. Just shows how little I was paying attention this morning. The post was made almost nine months ago, but I made an almost identical post to my last one, only about eight posts upthread!
Wow. Just shows how little I was paying attention this morning. The post was made almost nine months ago, but I made an almost identical post to my last one, only about eight posts upthread!
That's so bizarre when that happens. At first it feels lousy, because... well, how stupidly forgetful are we? But then it's kind of comforting to know that at least we're consistent. :)
That's so bizarre when that happens. At first it feels lousy, because... well, how stupidly forgetful are we? But then it's kind of comforting to know that at least we're consistent. :)
That's very kind of you, Jade. I was just going to blame it on the fact that us old people repeat ourselves a lot.