
![]() |

The Monster Manual has a pseudo dragon egg going for 10,000 g.p. So it's gotta be more than that.
Also, since it's such a rare item,...the sky is the limit. You have to remember that there's scads of loaded nobles and high powered wizards who'd love to get ahold of a dragon egg.
I hear "side quest."

ZeroCharisma |
2 people marked this as a favorite. |

The Draconomicon has excellent information pertaining to gestating, hatching and raising dragons as companions, familiars, etc.
IIRC, it does not provide rules for cost of eggs, but I would expect them to be no less than tens of thousands of gp. If someone in one of my campaigns put me on the spot, I would say 50k gp, but perhaps varying by size and/or other factors, so maybe 40k for a White, 60K for a red, for instance.
Keep in mind that this hypothetical dragon egg merchant, leaving aside his dubious moral outlook which permits him to traffic in intelligent creatures, has to be a) knowledgable in dragonkind and b) have the means and patience to keep the egg vital. This would in and of itself be expensive and hazardous, upping the asking price significantly. If the sale itself was illegal that would add a few coins to the pot and posession of the egg would be quasi-legal in most societies.
That said, have at it. I think it would be fun. I had a druid in my last campaign raise a Black Dragon from egg to wyrmling and he had a blast playing proud poppa to the creature, and I saw no real game-balance issues at the level we were playing (15-18 in this case) at all.
Perhaps at lower level, but by the time the egg hatches, he should be high enough to either gain the dragon as a cohort, companion or familiar if you are willing to adjust the rules accordingly. Just keep in mind the game is not called Dungeons & Dire Badgers and your perspective as a DM should be clear and balanced regarding the latest addition to the family. To clarify, I mean that dragons do tend to be powerful for their CR, but minor adjustments can be made on the fly and if everyone is having fun, then they win!... Oh, that was the other thread *g*

Saern |

I'd just like to re-emphasize that if we're talking true dragon here (chromatic or metalic), it's the sale and purchase of a sentient creature, which some may consider slavery. Not to mention the danger in procurring the egg and keeping it (and yourself) safe. Back to the legality, the dragon is also an extremely potent creature, often with heavy political and religious connotations. The priests of Heironeous will certainly be miffed when they here you bought a gold dragon, or will seek the destruction of your red dragon baby. The king probably also has some objections to you having a pet that might bring down the fury of a creature of near deific power upon his nation.
That would be an interesting bit of lore, now that I think of it... a whole country destroyed by a dragon simply because on of its eggs was stolen and sold there.

Aramil Naïlo |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

As my main NPC deals in everything that can be found, inlcuding any artifacts he can get his hands on (he's the leader of the most prosperous guild in the planes), I've had exp with this before and can honestly say this: with the danger of procuring the egg, the magical costs to keep the egg a live egg until it's sold, dealing with the political issues (paying off nobels to keep the egg and keep outta trouble), traps and guards to keep such valuable merchandise from being stolen, transportation, possible religious issues in the area, the fact that it could be considered slavery, the fact that a signle dragon is enough to desimate an entire empire, blah blah blah... A dragon egg is reasonably worth more than 1.5 mill gp, modified certain above factors and the type of dragon of course. Unless someone in the country runs a dragon farm, a draconic companion (other than faerie dracs and drac turtles(included here for the benefit of my players who insist a dragon turtle is a dragon)) or the like are out of reach for unless the pcs are high lvl (practically epic) or come from families to whom 100's of 1,000's of gold are like pocket change.

HELLFINGER |

Well, a more easy and dangerous way to get a dragon egg would be going into a dragon's lair and stealing one from its nest. I can garantee you that most of my players would rather face a furious mommy dragon than having to pay a trillion platinum for the lil' egg. You could even creae a 'mini adventure' involving the pc's going after the damn egg. Who knows?

![]() |

Well, a more easy and dangerous way to get a dragon egg would be going into a dragon's lair and stealing one from its nest. I can garantee you that most of my players would rather face a furious mommy dragon than having to pay a trillion platinum for the lil' egg. You could even creae a 'mini adventure' involving the pc's going after the damn egg. Who knows?
Yeah, but then the baby dragon grows up and asks you, "what happened to my mommy?"
And you say,...uh...I...killed her...for her loot....And then a tear wells up in the baby dragon's eye. Then the baby dragon flambeauxes you.

Fyraxis |

HELLFINGER wrote:Well, a more easy and dangerous way to get a dragon egg would be going into a dragon's lair and stealing one from its nest. I can garantee you that most of my players would rather face a furious mommy dragon than having to pay a trillion platinum for the lil' egg. You could even creae a 'mini adventure' involving the pc's going after the damn egg. Who knows?Yeah, but then the baby dragon grows up and asks you, "what happened to my mommy?"
And you say,...uh...I...killed her...for her loot....
And then a tear wells up in the baby dragon's eye. Then the baby dragon flambeauxes you.
*Question: Are dragons born with their alignments, or only tendencies? Could an otherwise evil dragon (black, for example) be brought up and solidly aligned to good?
If so, the answer to the baby dragon's question would just be the truth... mostly. She was a completely evil force that had to be "taken care of" and the party is REALLY, REALLY sorry for the baby dragon... ;)
Aramil Naïlo |

Heathansson wrote:HELLFINGER wrote:Well, a more easy and dangerous way to get a dragon egg would be going into a dragon's lair and stealing one from its nest. I can garantee you that most of my players would rather face a furious mommy dragon than having to pay a trillion platinum for the lil' egg. You could even creae a 'mini adventure' involving the pc's going after the damn egg. Who knows?Yeah, but then the baby dragon grows up and asks you, "what happened to my mommy?"
And you say,...uh...I...killed her...for her loot....
And then a tear wells up in the baby dragon's eye. Then the baby dragon flambeauxes you.*Question: Are dragons born with their alignments, or only tendencies? Could an otherwise evil dragon (black, for example) be brought up and solidly aligned to good?
If so, the answer to the baby dragon's question would just be the truth... mostly. She was a completely evil force that had to be "taken care of" and the party is REALLY, REALLY sorry for the baby dragon... ;)
That might have been rhetorical but I'm answering it anyways. Since crystal dragons occasionally steal white dragon eggs and raise the young to be neutral (my guess), I don't see why a red couldn't be raised to be lawful good. However, genetics does seem to breed strong tendencies... And white dragons are more like animals in a dragon's body anyways...

Aramil Naïlo |

Which actually brings up somthing else I thought of to solve this problem. Since dragons possess powers beyond that of any mortal, and a fair amount of immortals, are sentient and smarter than almost anything else, and are direct decendents of a god (I've been in since 2nd and still use Io), you could say that obtaining and raising a dragon as a companion would be impossible. Of coarse other things would have to be taken into account... I suggest my dragon farm idea ;)!!

Fyraxis |

Forgettng for the moment the actual "how" of aquiring the egg, I would think that, theoretically, you could raise a dragon as a companion. The key word being companion, as in friend, not pet... Once old enough, the dragon would decide on its own whether or not you were a good enough friend to merit sticking around...

The Jade |
1 person marked this as a favorite. |

This gets into nature versus nurture (of which I personally think it's 80/20) combined with a D&D universe evil as actual force.
The Book of Exalted Deeds covers redeeming an evil dragon. Now was that dragon evil from birth? I truly believe so. It's not that a good character's harsh environment can't teach him evil and brutality (Conan's formative years just plain sucked), and an evil creature being raised lovingly will certainly cause it do its darndest to behave and not murder wantonly. But I see that as being an exceptional case. Most evil creatures raised by good are like wild deers being raised in cabin. One day, about a year or two in, the call of wild will have that stag running right through you to get outside and never return. Nothing personal, the deer is, despite your best attempts to dress it up as a French maid and teach it to walk on hind legs, acting wildly as it was made to. Evil creatures are thus made to act evil. So a red dragon being raised by goodly adoptive parents staying good is, IMO, an extremely rare case and worthy of legend.
A red dragon can be raised by well tempered tinker gnomes but when orc scouts attack the gnomes' village and knock the dragon's adoptive aunt to the ground he isn't just going to attack to defend, he's going to torture and devour the insurgent orcs then fly off to slaughter their entire supply line all the way back to their soon-to-be-broiled chief.
The gnomes will be happy for the protection but something was lost on this day and will never be the same... Raxis has tasted the blood of enemies and his gleaming predatory eyes reflect a leash snapped. That which tethered Raxis to the good conduct of his diminutive adoptive clan has been rendered ash with his first vengeful blast of fire.

![]() |

There was this scorpion and this turtle. The scorpion was on one side of the river, and needed to get to the other side because enemies were after him.
So he says, "hey, turtle, can you give me a ride across the river there?"
The turtle says, "no. You'll sting me."
The scorpion says, " I wouldn't do that. You'd be helping save my life."
So the turtle gives him a ride; it makes sense to him. And halfway across the river, the scorpion stings the turtle on the head, paralyzing him.
The turtle, before he goes under, says, "scorpion, why did you do that? Now we'll both drown."
The scorpion replies, "I'm sorry turtle. I couldn't help myself. It's my nature."

Aramil Naïlo |

Fizzban wrote:I think that question is the same as are people born good or evil, or do we learn to be good or evil? Who knows, but we don't have solid proof of our creator in DnD, dragons do.
Fizz
This gets into nature versus nurture (of which I personally think it's 80/20) combined with a D&D universe evil as actual force.
The Book of Exalted Deeds covers redeeming an evil dragon. Now was that dragon evil from birth? I truly believe so. It's not that a good character's harsh environment can't teach him evil and brutality (Conan's formative years just plain sucked), and an evil creature being raised lovingly will certainly cause it do its darndest to behave and not murder wantonly. But I see that as being an extreme case. Most evil creatures raised by good are like wild deers being raised in cabin. One day, about a year or two in, the call of wild will have that stag running right through you to get outside and never return come. Nothing personal, they are acting as they are made to.
Evil creatures are thus made to act evil. So a red dragon being raised by goodly adoptive parents staying good is, IMO, an exceptional case and worthy of legend.I see a red dragon can be raised by tinker gnomes but when orc scouts attack the gnome's village and knock his aunt to the ground he isn't just going to attack to defend, he's going to torture and devour the insurgent orcs then fly off to slaughter their entire supply line all the way to their soon to be broiled chief.
The gnomes will be happy to know that their boy handled their business so well but something will never be the same... Raxis has tasted the blood of enemies and his gleaming predatory eyes reflect a leash snapped. That which tethered Raxis to the good conduct of his diminutive adoptive clan has been rendered ash with his first vengeful blast of fire.
While I agree, I don't think it's so one sided. You must remember that the only real animal in the dragon family is the white dragon (and dragon turtle, if you include it). Reds, blacks, and the rest are all sentient, with an intelligence surpassing any mortal and (possibly) most libraries. I must also present a scenario that purhaps you did not see. A gold raised by orcs? Nature vs. Nurture, but the other way around. If the gold did separate himself, she would likely still be battling against how she was raised. Not to bring my life into this, but being raised through brute force and yet doing your best not to deck someone when they do something that you don't like or agree with is also a big battle. Their is also the Do'Urden scenario. Possibly someone is just born different, their nature is against thier background and stands even agaisnt the way they are raised. Na vs. Nu is a complicated situation. Then again, maybe I just make it that way.

The Jade |

I don't see it as completely one-sided, just mostly one-sided. Every dragon egg raised by gnomes becomes a good dragon? Not in my campaign. D&D doesn't use weakly statted commoners as PCs. PCs tend to be the stronger (physically or mentally) exceptions of their kind. Thus, a Drizzt can happen, but all drow raised by good folk are not Drizzt. He's the exception-to-the-rule legend. As a near mythic rarity, he gets to do his own thing, even fight in drag if he wants to.
If we cohabitate with a cannibal ghost for ten years can we get it to see that haunting and eating children is wrong? I'm just asking for a mention of Casper, aren't I? You might say dragons are smarter than ghosts but I don't see intelligence as being the same as moral awareness and soulful pliability. Brilliant people don't necessarily have more choice over how they're going to act around others. Most of the hardcore geniuses I've ever known are so socially inept they can't help but to insult people during a first meeting. Shouldn't a smart person be able to get over their bad wiring and hang out with everyone fraternally? You'd think so, wouldn't you?
I said it was a great rarity, not an impossibility. I think with little effort we can ascertain that monsters with a description that suggests an inherently evil alignment are likely to be inherently evil. Not that this is the source of my argument, but I'll bring it up again: That's why the BOED says that getting an evil dragon to become good is a very difficult, near impossible thing to do. If a bunch of head pets and a good education were all that was required to turn that bad boy around, I don't think a special prestige class would be needed to redeem wicked creatures.
Think about it, it's like saying that better school system and softer sweaters would have orcs behaving politely and acting just like the decent folk of Happyshire. The same way criminalism and aggression can pass from a father to the son he's never met... so passes evil. This isn't the real world. Evil in D&D is something you can touch and die from. I see it as a passable genetic/spiritual trait. Watusis are tall, Pygmies are short, Red Dragons are evil.
That's what I think anyway. :)

![]() |

Heathansson wrote:The scorpion replies, "I'm sorry turtle. I couldn't help myself. It's my nature."Exactly what I was thinking, my man. Well recalled.
I've been stung in the head by so many scorpions that it's imprinted in my brain by now.
I guess I believe that if NATURE doesn't overcome NURTURE in some way, shape, or form, then NURTURE does away with the organism.
The Jade |

I've been stung in the head by so many scorpions that it's imprinted in my brain by now.
I guess I believe that if NATURE doesn't overcome NURTURE in some way, shape, or form, then NURTURE does away with the organism.
It's like people changing their stripes from bad to good. It certainly can happen. But usually it's just PR and you get burnt for trusting them. Eventually you stop putting your hand out to feed things. So when you meet someone who has actually spiritually evolved for the better it is mind blowing. An unexpectedly special and rare moment.

![]() |

It's like people changing their stripes from bad to good. It certainly can happen. But usually it's just PR and you get burnt for trusting them.
My favorite is when the "prodigal son" tries to give you a massive guilt trip for keeping him at arm's length. Luckily, my upbringing makes me immune to guilt trips. It's like a drow's spell resistance to me.

The Jade |

My favorite is when the "prodigal son" tries to give you a massive guilt trip for keeping him at arm's length. Luckily, my upbringing makes me immune to guilt trips. It's like a drow's spell resistance to me.
I hear you. I'm the exact same way. Gotta do what you have to do. I was as idealistic as anyone, but enough scar tissue and you have to learn to hang back and stay out of it sometimes.
"I'd like to make amends."
"You made 'em. Accepted. Bye now."

The Jade |

I remember back in 1ed., I think you could say you were doing subdual damage to a dragon, and once you gave the dragon enough of a beatdown, the dragon called you "sir" and would fetch your slippers and fiss you a sammich.
I thought that the subdual approach just put you in a situation whereby you could put the dragon in bondage and sell it (for whatever reason). Kind of like what they did to Kong.

Jeremy Mac Donald |

*Question: Are dragons born with their alignments, or only tendencies? Could an otherwise evil dragon (black, for example) be brought up and solidly aligned to good?
I'd say this is the sort of thing every DM has to decide for themselves based on their view of what a Dragons place in the cosmos is.
Dragons are so powerful that they eventually grow to be God like and in many D&D campaigns they are more then just another monster and are instead tied deeply to the worlds creation story. Personally I answer this by saying that dragons alighnments are essentially innate but I don't even use Dragon Gods cosidering Dragons to be essentially aspects of the world itself. YMMV.

Jeremy Mac Donald |

Also before one gets to charging two billion gp for a Dragon Egg keep in mind that the things can be acquired with a number of different feats. I'd charge 10,000 gp and make the player pick up some appropriate feats. Even here the player might well complain – normally if you pick up a feat you get the creature free of charge. So, if your using these feats in your campaign then, by RAW, dragons are free to characters of the correct level.

Reflex for Half |

Wow.
That is more of a reply than I ever expected.
THAT is why I use the paizo messageboards.
Thanks to everyone. Since I am relatively inexperienced and new to the game, I'll probably just slap a large pricetag and several feat prerequisites to the dragon, and tell the PC what a moral dilemnia this is. Maybe a sidequest or two to go with it...
Again, thanks.

Aramil Naïlo |

I don't see it as completely one-sided, just mostly one-sided. Every dragon egg raised by gnomes becomes a good dragon? Not in my campaign. D&D doesn't use weakly statted commoners as PCs. PCs tend to be the stronger (physically or mentally) exceptions of their kind. Thus, a Drizzt can happen, but all drow raised by good folk are not Drizzt. He's the exception-to-the-rule legend. As a near mythic rarity, he gets to do his own thing, even fight in drag if he wants to.
If we cohabitate with a cannibal ghost for ten years can we get it to see that haunting and eating children is wrong? I'm just asking for a mention of Casper, aren't I? You might say dragons are smarter than ghosts but I don't see intelligence as being the same as moral awareness and soulful pliability. Brilliant people don't necessarily have more choice over how they're going to act around others. Most of the hardcore geniuses I've ever known are so socially inept they can't help but to insult people during a first meeting. Shouldn't a smart person be able to get over their bad wiring and hang out with everyone fraternally? You'd think so, wouldn't you?
I said it was a great rarity, not an impossibility. I think with little effort we can ascertain that monsters with a description that suggests an inherently evil alignment are likely to be inherently evil. Not that this is the source of my argument, but I'll bring it up again: That's why the BOED says that getting an evil dragon to become good is a very difficult, near impossible thing to do. If a bunch of head pets and a good education were all that was required to turn that bad boy around, I don't think a special prestige class would be needed to redeem wicked creatures.
Think about it, it's like saying that better school system and softer sweaters would have orcs behaving politely and acting just like the decent folk of Happyshire. The same way criminalism and aggression can pass from a father to the son he's never met... so passes evil. This isn't the real...
I'm not trying to say that nurture always wins, and I apologise if it seems that I am. Before I continue I apologise if my post seems all over the place. No, intelligence does not make one more aware. It does, however, seem to make a one more aware. Maybe I'm just an exception in this world if what I'm saying isn't true. Sometimes ones nature is stronger than their nurture, and vice versa. If you want you could base it off of their willpower, maybe use the averaged value of int and wis. Of coarse, just because someone is a genius that doesn't mean they are completly aware of what's going on, which is prolly where wisdom (common sense and logic) comes in. I comepletely understand. And, saying this while hoping that my players aren't reading it, in my campaign dragons are the bases for magic. If dragons were to be eradicated magic would dissapeer (someone please give me the correct spelling for that!). Which also means that deities would only be people who were so great they deserve recognition. Tendencies, however, are mostly bred into a race, which means that they could possibly be bred out of atleast a group of that race. And if a good party travels with a cannibalistic ghost then yes, he could eventually see that what he's doing is wrong. Then again, just like everything else, right and wrong are all based on point of view.
I think I'm done. Jade, I kinda like you. This is fun.

HELLFINGER |

There was this scorpion and this turtle. The scorpion was on one side of the river, and needed to get to the other side because enemies were after him.
So he says, "hey, turtle, can you give me a ride across the river there?"
The turtle says, "no. You'll sting me."
The scorpion says, " I wouldn't do that. You'd be helping save my life."
So the turtle gives him a ride; it makes sense to him. And halfway across the river, the scorpion stings the turtle on the head, paralyzing him.
The turtle, before he goes under, says, "scorpion, why did you do that? Now we'll both drown."
The scorpion replies, "I'm sorry turtle. I couldn't help myself. It's my nature."
Now, that's just plain stupid-and kind of offending since mi zodiac sign is scorpio.(lOl) It just surprises me that everytime I hear someone talking about thearchery and nature vs. norture someone ALWAYS has to go say that 'bout scorpions...
If the story had a LITTLE bit more of truth in it, the scorpio would've waited till they were at the other side of the river so the scorpion would safely cross and let the turtle die
HELLFINGER |

I think that question is the same as are people born good or evil, or do we learn to be good or evil? Who knows, but we don't have solid proof of our creator in DnD, dragons do.
Fizz
Well, let me just enlighten you for a bit: Let me talk about that drow with lavender eyes, yes Mr Do'Urden. He was born in a %$^* evil badass drow society(ever heard of a good one) but even then he knew that a good life doesn't involve backstabbing your allies.
What I think is that it takes a lot of character to "make a change" to your allignment. Whatever that means...
HELLFINGER |

Does anyone know how available dragon eggs are, and how much?
One of my players wants to raise a dragon, and I think I can handle the actual raising with Handle Animal checks, but how much to just get an egg?
Please help!
i'D say that if you feel like screwing your pcs, you could make them buy it for the average super expensive price and then when the pcs are walking with the egg, an old-time rival bull rushes him and they drop the egg...
"Holy *&(%!!! That cost me 100.000.000.000.000..... platinum"
"Hum...Look at the bright side- That should make a helluvan omelet"
"Before or after I %^&*^% kill the mofo who bullrushed me??"

HELLFINGER |

HELLFINGER wrote:Well, a more easy and dangerous way to get a dragon egg would be going into a dragon's lair and stealing one from its nest. I can garantee you that most of my players would rather face a furious mommy dragon than having to pay a trillion platinum for the lil' egg. You could even creae a 'mini adventure' involving the pc's going after the damn egg. Who knows?Yeah, but then the baby dragon grows up and asks you, "what happened to my mommy?"
And you say,...uh...I...killed her...for her loot....
And then a tear wells up in the baby dragon's eye. Then the baby dragon flambeauxes you.
You could just lie to the baby dragon:
"What happened to my mommy?"And yous say,"Well, you know, your mom was a very busy evi dragon. She couldn't take care of her eggs b/c she'd rather cause havoc in Ansalon"
Or if you are not exactly a LG pc and wish that one of your buddies "retires" for good, " Well, I thought you knew wut happened to your mom. My buddy Raistlin hear killed her in cold blood, so he could use her remains as spell components"
Andd then i is Raistlin, and not YOU, who will have ass "flambeauxed"

The Jade |

I'm not trying to say that nurture always wins, and I apologise if it seems that I am. Before I continue I apologise if my post seems all over the place. No, intelligence does not make one more aware. It does, however, seem to make a one more aware. Maybe I'm just an exception in this world if what I'm saying isn't true. Sometimes ones nature is stronger than their nurture, and vice versa. If you want you could base it off of their willpower, maybe use the averaged value of int and wis. Of coarse, just because someone is a genius that doesn't mean they are completly aware of what's going on, which is prolly where wisdom (common sense and logic) comes in. I comepletely understand. And, saying this while hoping that my players aren't reading it, in my campaign dragons are the bases for magic. If dragons were to be eradicated magic would dissapeer (someone please give me the correct spelling for that!). Which also means that deities would only be people who were so great they deserve recognition. Tendencies, however, are mostly bred into a race, which means that they could possibly be bred out of atleast a group of that race. And if a good party travels with a cannibalistic ghost then yes, he could eventually see that what he's doing is wrong. Then again, just like everything else, right and wrong are all based on point of view.
I think I'm done. Jade, I kinda like you. This is fun.
The sentiment is shared, Aramil, thank you.
I suppose if one could start a breeding program to suppress genetic traits, one, in the D&D world could apply the same technique to breeding in or breeding out certain spiritual traits. But, as with dog breeding, I'd see that taking a few generations to facilitate as opposed to just raising a red dragon up from the egg in a kindly manner and having it not eat the cat. That said, if ever good aligned red dragons are for sale, tell me when, where, and how much!

kahoolin |

Hey, man. At least McDonald's doesn't make a filet-o-scorpion sandwich. Being a pisces is hell, man.
Try growing up a male virgo - the only zodiac sign that is by definition a human female. I always wanted to be a Leo.
And with the Dragon egg thing (see, I can be on topic sometimes), unless the PC is an elf won't he/she, you know, be a decrepit oldster/dead of old age by the time the dragon is old enough to say it's first word? Or are they planning to dose it up with potions of Speed Growth or something equally morally dubious? I thought Dragons grew over millenia. It's not going to be any use in the PC's lifetime.

Aramil Naïlo |

Heathansson wrote:Hey, man. At least McDonald's doesn't make a filet-o-scorpion sandwich. Being a pisces is hell, man.Try growing up a male virgo - the only zodiac sign that is by definition a human female. I always wanted to be a Leo.
And with the Dragon egg thing (see, I can be on topic sometimes), unless the PC is an elf won't he/she, you know, be a decrepit oldster/dead of old age by the time the dragon is old enough to say it's first word? Or are they planning to dose it up with potions of Speed Growth or something equally morally dubious? I thought Dragons grew over millenia. It's not going to be any use in the PC's lifetime.
Actually, even a young dragon can be useful. And look at the long-term advantages:The dragon can be a companion to your PCs kids, grandkids, and even great-great grandkids before taking off.

HELLFINGER |

Heathansson wrote:Hey, man. At least McDonald's doesn't make a filet-o-scorpion sandwich. Being a pisces is hell, man.Try growing up a male virgo - the only zodiac sign that is by definition a human female. I always wanted to be a Leo.
And with the Dragon egg thing (see, I can be on topic sometimes), unless the PC is an elf won't he/she, you know, be a decrepit oldster/dead of old age by the time the dragon is old enough to say it's first word?
HAHA, male virgo(JK) lol..
And yes, by the time your baby dragon is a youngster your great adventurer is gonna be a grampa!!.. " So gramps, your gonna ride me or what?" the dragon said
" Of course[gets on dragon's back and feels his back hurt like hell] godamnit!!! How the hell can Elminster manage himself with 200 years!?!?"
** Give up on the dragon and get yourself a pegasus!!!

Frats |

Try growing up a male virgo - the only zodiac sign that is by definition a human female. I always wanted to be a Leo.
Try being a male virgo in Holland, where the Zodiac sign is 'Maagd' which literally means 'Virgin'
Not my favourite Zodiac sign either, but there's little I can do about that.