About two weeks ago I posted a question on who the next article in the series would be about. While several people made suggestions/requests, the question remains unanswered. James Jacobs, if you're out there, can you tell us? If you can't because of job issues, that's okay, but several of us would really like to know. Even a small hint if nothing else. Thanks in advance...
Also: are there stats out there for Iggwilv? These would be kind of cool as well.
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I'm working on the next Demonomicon, and as far as I know it's set to continue the pattern of one every 4 issues. I could be wrong though. As to who it's gonna be this time... let me run it by the Dragon editors tomorrow and see if it's too late to drop any hints.
As for Iggwilv's stats, she's at least a 30th level wizard. She's never been officially statted up. Yet...
Thank you. You rock. Now we just need to give the yugoloths some love...
nasty! ;)
Iggwilv's 3.5e Stats by Rick "Duicarthan" Miller
He's statted her up as a Fiendish Human Wizard 26 / Thaumaturgist 5 / Archmage 5
Any word for us, James? (waits eagerly...)
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Nope; they won't let me lift the curtain on this one yet. It'll be in issue #353, I hear. I turn over the final text in like 10 days. There's a new monster, an updated monster from 1st edition days, a new prestige class, and of course the demon lord in question. CR 28, it's looking like, though that could change in either direction over the next ten days...
thanks James, all of that is great news. :) can't hardly wait!
Thank you for replying. I understand that you can't say anything and I appreciate your response anyway, James. I will, however, take an educated guess. My guess is based on three factors.
First: there are 14 demon lords in FC1 and 6 have already been done, thus leaving 8 possibilities (assuming of course that you are sticking with said 14; the whole premise is based on that...).
Second: For whatever reason, (maybe I read something a while back, I'm not sure...) I don't think that the "big five" demon lords (Demogorgon, Graz'zt, Orcus, Jubilex or Yeenoghu) will be done until all the other nine are finished. Perhaps that's because there is so much info already about them? Again, I'm going with my gut. Also, CR 28 would be waaaay to low for Demogorgon, Graz'zt or Orcus considering the ratings of past subjects (Was that my clue, James?).
Third: That leaves us with 3: Pale Night, Obox-Ob and Malcanthet. Of these 3, Obox-Ob (who would be really cool to see) is probably too powerful for a CR 28. Now we're down to 50-50. Someone asked in my previous posting of this question about Malcanthet and you responded that it would be an interesting challenge so I'm choosing Pale Night. Why? Because every time I use logic to answer a problem, I'm bloody wrong! If I guess the opposite of this (would have chosen Malcanthet), I just might be right...
Or maybe I'm just a weirdo with too much time on my hands? It will be interesting in March to see if I'm right...
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That leaves us with 3: Pale Night, Obox-Ob and Malcanthet. Of these 3, Obox-Ob (who would be really cool to see) is probably too powerful for a CR 28. Now we're down to 50-50. Someone asked in my previous posting of this question about Malcanthet and you responded that it would be an interesting challenge so I'm choosing Pale Night. Why? Because every time I use logic to answer a problem, I'm bloody wrong! If I guess the opposite of this (would have chosen Malcanthet), I just might be right...
I believe that Malcanthet has a relatively large impact on Maure Castle, and that two levels have already been submitted to Dungeon for that whole sub-adventure path, so perhaps your instinctual guess is the right one (having just come from a college exam, I clearly remember what they all say about sticking with your first guess). You're right about the Big Three, though; 28 is way too low a CR for Demo, Orcus, or Graz'zt. Obox-ob might still be in the running, though; the FC1 reports him as still gathering the shattered vestiges of his once-colossal might, so that level of CR might be right for the lord of the obyriths coming back from the grave.
i'd say that Mal, as an apparent personal favorite of James, is likely. :) not guaranteed, but definitely likely.
graz'zt is also a fair bet, and i think it's between the two of them personally. graz'zt in BoVD was only CR24, so i could definitely see a bump up to 28 as a possibility.
i'd say that Mal, as an apparent personal favorite of James, is likely. :) not guaranteed, but definitely likely.
graz'zt is also a fair bet, and i think it's between the two of them personally. graz'zt in BoVD was only CR24, so i could definitely see a bump up to 28 as a possibility.
Yep, my gut says Malcanthet. However, I've been on a very bad streak over the last two months (nothing to do with D&D), so I'm not really sure of my judgement anymore. Regarding Obox-Ob, I realized moments after I posted that he is rebuilding his status and power so CR 28 might be okay.
I do have one other demon lord question though: If mighty ol' Dagon (my favorite d. prince) is so old and so smart and knows just about everything there is to know about the Abyss (and a whole lot more), why is he only INT 22 (or 24 from the article)? If you compare him to the other lords, he's actually on the lower end: a couple @ 18 and then several tied at 22. Graz'zt is all the way up at 33 and even Orcus is higher...
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It's not that Dagon's intrinsicly smarter than other demons, it's that he's OLDER than most other demon lords. He has a long memory, and the gift of prophecy as well. The fact that he somehow knows things that smarter demons don't is a big part of his mystique, and why he's still around (since the other demon lords are kind of afraid of him... what might he know about them?).
The fact that he somehow knows things that smarter demons don't is a big part of his mystique, and why he's still around (since the other demon lords are kind of afraid of him... what might he know about them?).
Or what might Father Dagon prophesize about the other demon lords? Perhaps the time and place of their downfall? Their weaknesses? Should it be in Dagon's best interest to "remove" them, how would these younger, upstart demon lords combat such a threat?
Mwah-hah-hah...
Meh...if he can tell the future, he should just play the damn lottery.
Father Dagon has no need of your paltry physical money - he wants your sooooooooul!
Pay up, lycanthrope! ;) :D
Aww, shoot. He's scared I'd take over.
I'd put him on bottom feeder duty in my aquarium.
Clean my aquarium, Dagon!
Eh, he'd use your scruffy hide as a toliet brush! :D
~Cheers~ Go DAGON!!! Get that were-weasle!!! Have him as a snack!!! Go Dagon!!!
Yer mudder's got five heads, you Pale Spawn Window Unit!
Yer just jealous that me mudder can give me 5 times the love, you mouse spawn! ~thoughtful look~ Humn, does that mean you get the royalties?
Who you callin' mouse spawn you albino tree gecko!
Well, for one, it is Gecko, not Geico! ~rubs my hands as I realize all the advertizing windfall headed my way~ And second, calling you a Mouse (S)pawn is insulting all mice out there. So I am sorry for insulting all the mice out there. Besides, Mickey the Were-Mouse will be having a talk with you sometime today! Have fun!
better get Aflac! Your epidermis is got a date with a bootmaker, yah varmint!!!
Yea, right!!! You couldn't get close enough to skin me even if you tried. As for you, well... All I can say is roasted wolf does not taste too good. That is the only reason you have escaped my wrath. Not tasty enough for my refined taste buds! ~breaths some fire right at your feet~ So if you want to try, go on ahead, Were-nerdwolf!!!
Iggwilv's 3.5e Stats by Rick "Duicarthan" Miller
He's statted her up as a Fiendish Human Wizard 26 / Thaumaturgist 5 / Archmage 5
Well that version was an old epic conjecture of mine, on where she "could" go. Not so much, what she is. However, were I given the chance to really stat her out. First off, I'd relax a bit more. Then I'd go this route.
Iggwilv NE; female human sorcerer 14/fiend-blooded 10/archmage 5
Reasons why this fits...
The sorcerer class works well b/c it reflects that Iggwilv is a seducer a charmer, but none too interested with the studies of magic but rather the means to an end itself.
To further these abilities and throw a kick in there I chose the fiend-blooded prestige class from Heroes of Horror. This befits her being able to bear Iuz, not to mention a lot of the fascination with summoning other-planar beings. Also considering an abyssal heritage would allow her to live longer. So theres a bit of a bonus too.
And finally archmage, this being her pent-ultimate acheivement and likely through the aid of one Zagig Yragerne.
Anyway tell me what ya think.
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Iggwilv's 3.5e Stats by Rick "Duicarthan" Miller
He's statted her up as a Fiendish Human Wizard 26 / Thaumaturgist 5 / Archmage 5
Well that version was an old epic conjecture of mine, on where she "could" go. Not so much, what she is. However, were I given the chance to really stat her out. First off, I'd relax a bit more. Then I'd go this route.
Iggwilv NE; female human sorcerer 14/fiend-blooded 10/archmage 5
Reasons why this fits...
The sorcerer class works well b/c it reflects that Iggwilv is a seducer a charmer, but none too interested with the studies of magic but rather the means to an end itself.
To further these abilities and throw a kick in there I chose the fiend-blooded prestige class from Heroes of Horror. This befits her being able to bear Iuz, not to mention a lot of the fascination with summoning other-planar beings. Also considering an abyssal heritage would allow her to live longer. So theres a bit of a bonus too.
And finally archmage, this being her pent-ultimate acheivement and likely through the aid of one Zagig Yragerne.
Anyway tell me what ya think.
I thought only divine casters could be thaumaturgists? Am I missing something here. A Wizard/Thaumaturg/Archmage build isn't possible so far as I can tell. If there is something I am missing let me know, because I have a conjurer PC that would love to take some levels in the Tharmaturgist PRC.
I thought only divine casters could be thaumaturgists? Am I missing something here. A Wizard/Thaumaturg/Archmage build isn't possible so far as I can tell. If there is something I am missing let me know, because I have a conjurer PC that would love to take some levels in the Tharmaturgist PRC.
You are correct I messed up the build initially and confused Cosmic Descryer with Thaumaturgist. DOH! Hence why I'd redo her completely.
What I'd really like to see and what I have been tinkering with for the Demonomicon is Tuerny the Merciless (of the Iron Flask fame) as well as Iggwilv herself. Iggwilv teamed up with Tuerny in the Greyhawk adventure, Return of the Eight and apparently had become a Nalfashnee demon. So adding him to the Demononicon would make a bit of sense. I tinkered with a VERY high level version of him on my webpage. Again, however I would modify even that to something a bit more logical.
I guess it could either be the Queen of Chaos or Miska the Wolf Spider. Since he did said a monster from 1e would be updated...and these two did not make their debut until the dark days of second edition....I guess that leave the spyder-fiends out. So I guess it could be the Dire Whiner...!
As for Iggwilv's stats, she's at least a 30th level wizard. She's never been officially statted up. Yet...
I'd personally also give her at least quasi-deity (divine rank 0) status--probably even demi-deity status (which is what Gygax considers her, at least according to the Slayer's Guide to Dragons).
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I thought only divine casters could be thaumaturgists? Am I missing something here. A Wizard/Thaumaturg/Archmage build isn't possible so far as I can tell. If there is something I am missing let me know, because I have a conjurer PC that would love to take some levels in the Tharmaturgist PRC.Well that version was an old epic conjecture of mine, on where she "could" go. Not so much, what she is. However, were I given the chance to really stat her out. First off, I'd relax a bit more. Then I'd go this route.
Iggwilv NE; female human sorcerer 14/fiend-blooded 10/archmage 5
Reasons why this fits...
The sorcerer class works well b/c it reflects that Iggwilv is a seducer a charmer, but none too interested with the studies of magic but rather the means to an end itself.
To further these abilities and throw a kick in there I chose the fiend-blooded prestige class from Heroes of Horror. This befits her being able to bear Iuz, not to mention a lot of the fascination with summoning other-planar beings. Also considering an abyssal heritage would allow her to live longer. So theres a bit of a bonus too.
And finally archmage, this being her pent-ultimate acheivement and likely through the aid of one Zagig Yragerne.
Anyway tell me what ya think.
For what it's worth, I like this build a lot, and it does make a lot of sense. As for the Thaumaturge, he needs to be able to cast Lesser planar ally. This is a divine spell, but it could be replicated through a Limited wish, so I would let 13th level arcane casters who know and use this spell qualify for this PrC.
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What I'd really like to see and what I have been tinkering with for the Demonomicon is Tuerny the Merciless (of the Iron Flask fame) as well as Iggwilv herself. Iggwilv teamed up with Tuerny in the Greyhawk adventure, Return of the Eight and apparently had become a Nalfashnee demon. So adding him to the Demononicon would make a bit of sense.
Agreed! Tuerny would make an awesome demon lord.