
James Keegan |

A scantily clad necromancer riding a skeletal giraffe eating evil cotton candy out of a flaming tree would be even better. Let's stay with the theme.
For me, getting out one's goth fetish kicks with a hot vampire works better than a hot necromancer chick. I mean, enchantresses, sorceresses and bards are more likely to have high charisma scores so I would rather see THEM scantily clad. But, hey, that's how I like it.
One of my PCs in my game before school played a female half-orc barbarian named 'Shump' where he deliberately played up her low charisma by making her a valley girl with a severe growth hormone excess. She was a walking mountain of death in combat, but mostly by accident and she was also deathly afraid of spiders. While investigating a cult of Graz'zt in Saltmarsh, she would always try to use her 'feminine wiles' on male suspects to get information. Never really worked, but man was it fun to roleplay. She also carried her rhinestone studded greataxe around like a purse.

Saern |

A scantily clad necromancer riding a skeletal giraffe eating evil cotton candy out of a flaming tree would be even better. Let's stay with the theme.
For me, getting out one's goth fetish kicks with a hot vampire works better than a hot necromancer chick. I mean, enchantresses, sorceresses and bards are more likely to have high charisma scores so I would rather see THEM scantily clad. But, hey, that's how I like it.
One of my PCs in my game before school played a female half-orc barbarian named 'Shump' where he deliberately played up her low charisma by making her a valley girl with a severe growth hormone excess. She was a walking mountain of death in combat, but mostly by accident and she was also deathly afraid of spiders. While investigating a cult of Graz'zt in Saltmarsh, she would always try to use her 'feminine wiles' on male suspects to get information. Never really worked, but man was it fun to roleplay. She also carried her rhinestone studded greataxe around like a purse.
That sounds like a character more than worthy of a prominent role in a novel!

![]() |

Thank you. It feels good to have some support and feedback.
I have no idea what any of that is like; my mother is a saint.
It pisses me off, though. I wish I had some kernel of wisdom to impart to you, but anything I said would be useless along those lines.Just know that we are all pulling for you. Try not to let the "bad one" get inside your head and give you a brain fart. I know it's hard.

The White Toymaker |

For me, getting out one's goth fetish kicks with a hot vampire works better than a hot necromancer chick. I mean, enchantresses, sorceresses and bards are more likely to have high charisma scores so I would rather see THEM scantily clad. But, hey, that's how I like it.
It all depends. If your necromancer does their tricks by being a Cleric or a Dread Necromancer, chances are good that they'll have a pretty solid charisma score. One of my more interesting characters is a Dread Necromancer who dresses up as a noble. She even has multiple outfits -- one of them a falconing outfit, because her Imp Familiar spends most of its time in the shape of a hawk.
Of course, if your necromancer is just a specialist wizard, that doesn't necessarily make them any less attractive, since "comeliness" or appearance isn't an ability score in 3.5, but it does make it probable that they'll be significantly less likeable.

Saern |

Ah, it's good to have something to hate in D&D again, rather than real life!
I hate psionics. I can't even remember if I've made a post like this before, but chances are I have. I saw the Eberron psionics thread, and I nearly detonatd in there, but I managed to hold on to enough self-control to save it for the appropriate channel.
Are they overpowered? I don't know, I haven't really thought about it that much. I think they are stupid. What a waste of time to come up with the 3rd edition psionics system!
It's the freaking MANA system. None of this power-point crap. It's MANA. And mana has no place in D&D! D&D uses spells per day, or uses per day. Even things that aren't spells are always limited by uses per day, from spell-like all the way down to extraordinary abilities (unless of course they have no limit). Nope, I want a wizard that uses mana. So, let's take the time to write a whole freaking book on them, reprinting a ton of stuff (this is just like Haste, but it's PSIONIC, ooooo.....).
Divine and arcane magic are as different as night and day when considering in-game explanations. But, they use all the same rules! NOOOO, psionics are so differentishillyically they need all their own types of items and rules and mechanics and whatever stupid s&+% we feel like throwing out to sell this damned book that's a total waste of time to even pick up off the shelf.
Psionics use their mind to produce magic? Isn't that what all casters, specifically wizards, do? NOOOO, psionics are so specialismistically that they do it all on their own, with no need for books or components!
...
......................................
THAT'S A G*$ D@+NED SPELL-LIKE ABILITY, YOU RETARDS!
Not the freaking mana system! NO NEED for it. NONE. Truenamers, shadowcasters, and binders use magic that is far more removed from wizardly and clerical magic, speaking in-game and mechanics-wise, than anything of any damned psion, but they still use uses per freaking day! And they have all the same damned types of items! Shadowcasters have to use specific shadowcaster items, but it's no different than an arcanist not being able to use a cleric's scroll. But, they're still scrolls and wands and all that stuff.
NOOOO, not psionics! They need all their own treasure types that are completely left out of every core book and totally incompatable with the rest of the system! Hey, look, I shoved a needle full of LSD up my ass and forgot this was 3rd edition, where internal consistency matters!
Every other class uses the same schools of magic. Even if it's a supernatural or spell-like ability of a creature or a class feature or WHATEVER, it's still defined in one of the normal schools of magic when needed.
NOOOO, not psionics! They have metabolismationistic spells and tempororificationismistical spells, or "powers", I should say.
And despite all this superly awesomeness differentiationism, all the damned psionics resistance is transparent to spell resistance!
I hate psionics! Saern smash! SAERN SMASH!!!

The Jade |

I'm all for absurd for the sake of absurd, but when there isn't any irony or humor in it, it just doesn't function. It just becomes purely about the artist or art director's goth fetish.
I understand ass moves magazines but I'm so tired of every female character looking like a saline bag stripper. It's just an unimaginative scope, having to see, ad nauseum, one of one body types for women and one of two for men. The message seems to be that heroic equals boodilicious. That Aranea cover on Dungeon... I feel like I should hide it lest people think I'm simpleminded and 14. FYI, I stopped being simpleminded and 14 when I turned 30, thank you.
I've already seen that few on Paizo agree with my view on this issue--and as I said I do indeed understand the business of it--but business and art are not always the most fitting of friends. I'd rather see a necromantess have a foot tall Venus dentata (if you know what I'm sayin') running up her abdomen than big fluffy deatht*ts. Clearly that's not publishable but you get me. Don't say you don't. Like Jimmy K said, give her a rash.

Valegrim |

Lol Saern; your so inhibited; let some loose; tell us how your really feel about psionics; I just hate it when people are so closed up; hehe rofl.
O deformed one, did you like Fat Moma in the "you want to be a superhero" tv thing; she was a terrible superheroine.
Here is something that really gets my goat; all the damn reality tv shows. They are pure tripe; now they have a new one of the non survival survival show that is gonna be racial; sheesh as if we dont have enough race problems in America, why do we have to have shows where people all treat each other like crap; my wife watches these and wants me to watch them with her and many of these people are just horrible. If I was ever in one of these I would hope there were a few other gamers so we could play; when someone got voted out we could write signs like; the elf is about to die; so and so needs more food (from Gauntlet)and none of that weepy crap about how so and so screwed so and so; it would be honest and real stuff like; hey buddy; you were the cleric; you should have healed me; now your out of here.

The Jade |

Yeah, gimme ugly and fat heroes. I can relate to that.....
I'm a tall, in-shape rogue (begin your closet adoration... ... ... Now) so this view of mine isn't coming from a place of personal insecurity. Once again, I know that people look to glamour, not realism, for their fantasy art. I just find it's often the same rehashed portrait over and over and over again, with little evolution. My point wasn't political, only that the genre bored me a bit. Others love it. I get that. I'm only speaking for myself in a rant thread.
Ugliness, as in the case of the necromancer lady, was mentioned because it seemed more appropriate for the class. Yet I was more speaking to missing out on a greater variety of bodytypes in fantasy art. You aren't ugly because you've got heft. There is no reason why a monk shouldn't have an affinity for baked goods and +40 pounds to prove it. Think Robbie Coltrane when he was younger punching out an orc and saying something pithy. That's the stuff.
See, now this is why people won't give the dwarves any love...
The men in fantasy art are all body waxed like the monthboys of a Castro street fireman calender. I've seen guys that are seven feet tall and could bench a house. They're not steroid dudes. They're just naturally big and stout. Those are your fighters. And the wizard girl who sits inside all day and stays home each night studying arcane forumulas by dim lamplight? Gotta look like a poodled out Vivid girl to go along with her Nobel level smarts, right?
When fantasy gets too fantastic, I can no longer to relate to it.

kahoolin |

Well, the thing that made me see red in the golem discussion was the reference to things about the morals of binding an unseen servant... never mind the fact that you don't bind anything, but rather create a force the does menial tasks, and not a spiritual force, but just a physical force to sweep, etc. There's no morals to it. That, combined with several other such references, made me think back to the threads on morals that have cropped up over the last few months and the various statements within that only pretended to actually present a logical argument. I certainly don't want to start a conflict or anything, I just needed to vent, and I knew the exact place to go. It wasn't anything, so don't stress over it.
I guess that is aimed at me, so allow me to defend myself if I may...
Sorry I didn't go and read the spell description of Unseen Servant before I posted. I haven't in fact read it for probably several years (I can't remember a player of mine ever using it), so you could forgive me for thinking, based on the name, that it was some sort of elemental creature being bound. IF in fact it WAS some sort of elemental being (though I admit that in this case it wasn't), my query about the morality of such a situation would have been perfectly justified. It is neither poorly thought out nor in some sense unrelated to the discussion. I merely got my facts wrong with regard to that particular spell. Sorry again.
But while you are calling people's thought (or lack thereof) into question, and putting your cards on the table qualifications-wise, I shall do the same. I laud you for thinking deeply about ethics and morality. I have always done the same throughout my life. In fact I am currently in the process of writing an honours thesis in philosophy, in particular the field of ethics, after finishing my bachelor's degree with High Distinctions in both practical and applied ethics and meta-ethical theory. You could say in fact that ethics is my field of expertise, in a professional sense, which is why I enjoy respectfully participating in ethical discussions with people from all walks of life. I particularly enjoy the ones on Paizo as the people are intelligent and thoughtful and the framework of D&D gives a ready-made artificial model for the discussions, something philosophers often end up having to create anyway when talking ethics.
Unlike many people I have encountered both on the internet and in real life (and I am not speaking of anyone here thankfully), when discussing ethics with people who don't have my depth of education in the field I make a conscious effort NOT to bamboozle with jargon or overly-abstract ideas, nor to draw attention to my qualifications in this field. I am not interested in proving how smart I am, pushing an agenda, or winning an argument. I am genuinely interested in the study of ethics and morality because I believe that it is important, and should be discussed whenever possible. If it seems to you that I have said something thoughtless may I suggest that it is probably more likely that I am attempting to draw attention to an aspect of the discussion that hasn't yet been addressed.
In the case of my list of possible unethical spells my reasoning was this: In order to solve an ethical problem it is often useful to try to find occurences that are similar yet different to the one under discussion so that we may see if there is any general rule that people follow when making moral judgements in such instances. If there is not, then perhaps we can try to make one, maybe by expanding our analogues even further. If there is such a rule, then we can see if we can also apply the rule to the specific situation we are discussing.
And for the record nothing I said was a non-sequitur. They were attempted analogies, not arguments, and made no claims or conclusions.
In the end, I'm happy whenever people talk about ethics. But you're right; If someone says something about ethics that you think is thoughtless it's probably -though not always ;)- because they haven't thought about it as much as you have. But that is no reason to hold someone in contempt or get angry. The fact that they are even discussing it is a good thing in my book. Alot of people just spout what their parents or teachers told them for their entire lives without ever questioning it. Conversation is IME how people learn.
I understand that you just wanted to vent, but your rant kind of made me want to vent too, as I feel you have misunderstood my intent not just in this discussion, but perhaps in other "morality threads" too. Oh well. No hard feelings, I'm over it now :)
Hey this thread really works!

![]() |

Dude. Kahoolin.
I was once perusing a book a friend of mine had about "amoral familialism." I was wondering, is that a concept that sees general use in your field, (it was an older book) and if so, what "alignment" from D&D would you say is the closest fit to that way of operating?
Every time I see your name, I think about this book I read about Cu Chulainn. He had a geis that said noone or nothing was allowed to awaken him, he had to wake up every morning under his own power. No alarm clock for Cu Chulainn, man!

kahoolin |

Dude. Kahoolin.
I was once perusing a book a friend of mine had about "amoral familialism." I was wondering, is that a concept that sees general use in your field, (it was an older book) and if so, what "alignment" from D&D would you say is the closest fit to that way of operating?
Every time I see your name, I think about this book I read about Cu Chulainn. He had a geis that said noone or nothing was allowed to awaken him, he had to wake up every morning under his own power. No alarm clock for Cu Chulainn, man!
"Amoral familialism" is I think more of an old sociology term, but it does certainly pose questions about the universalization of ethical principles (damn it, now I'm talking in jargon!)
It's a description of a group that applies it's morality only to those in the immediate group isn't it? I forget who invented the term, but people use it to decribe mafia organizations, and I suppose it applies to things like terrorists and freedom fighters too; any group which by it's very existence prevents inter-group co-operation. Basically anyone who has total loyalty to their group, but doesn't bat an eyelid about doing "evil" things to someone outside the group. You're right, it is tricky to define in D&D terms. I feel like calling it "Lawful Chaotic" but obviously that's not allowed! If there was a group like that in my campaign I would probably judge them Lawful Evil, as they have a group loyalty but are capable of harming others outside their group with little provocation. It doesn't even fit that precisely though, as usually LE beings are portrayed as betraying each other if they can get away with it.
And I must say I am thankful I don't suffer that particular geis, or I wouldn't have much money right now. I do share Cu Chulainn's geis of not eating dogs however.

![]() |

The book I was reading considered a poor village somewhere and the interactions of its inhabitants, but I see where it could apply to the mafia. Essentially, in this village, a family looks after its own well being, and will do horrible things to outsiders if necessary to survive. Other humans essentially stop meeting the definition of human, and their fates become moot to the insular family unit.
The book also presented a situation through which the members of the village, if able to perform a certain cooperative venture, would reap tremendous material benefits, but they were incapable of attempting this venture due to a general lack of distrust amongst the villagers. It was very distressing to read.
I don't eat dogs, either.

James Keegan |

Cu Chulainn was a pretty cool character. He couldn't eat dogs because that's where his name came from and couldn't refuse hospitality. So, in order to kill him, you would have to offer him a meal of dog. Darned if he does, darned if he doesn't. I think they also decided on who was going to be his wife with a peeing contest. Cu Chulainn had some...odd hangups.

![]() |

Cu Chulainn was a pretty cool character. He couldn't eat dogs because that's where his name came from and couldn't refuse hospitality. So, in order to kill him, you would have to offer him a meal of dog. Darned if he does, darned if he doesn't. I think they also decided on who was going to be his wife with a peeing contest. Cu Chulainn had some...odd hangups.
They shoulda challenged him to a spell your name with pee contest. He'd be at a disadvantage.

kahoolin |

The book I was reading considered a poor village somewhere and the interactions of its inhabitants, but I see where it could apply to the mafia. Essentially, in this village, a family looks after its own well being, and will do horrible things to outsiders if necessary to survive. Other humans essentially stop meeting the definition of human, and their fates become moot to the insular family unit.
The book also presented a situation through which the members of the village, if able to perform a certain cooperative venture, would reap tremendous material benefits, but they were incapable of attempting this venture due to a general lack of distrust amongst the villagers. It was very distressing to read.
I don't eat dogs, either.
Yeah, it seems that the defining thing is the dehumanization of those outside the group, and it seems like those villagers were an extreme case. That is really sad.
I've heard about the vendetta culture of places like rural Italy and the Mountain people in the US. It seems characteristic of very isolated human groups before mass communication. It seems that if a village is isolated for long enough the little differences between families begin to seem as vast as the differences between nations.

![]() |

I hate that the same day I have to go through Pre-Canna (spelling?) with the church (for my wedding) is the same day they are having World-Wide D&D Game Day.
I hate that the computer system at work doesn't allow us to load software onto our own computers. It makes websurfing (only at lunchtime, of course) a pain in the ass. Damn those IT...naah can't say that, they are just doing their jobs.

Saern |

I'm glad you had no hard feelings, Kahoolin. Although I didn't actually aim the rant at anyone, at least in my mind, I can see where it could be offensive. The great thing about the rant thread is that everyone knows everyone else is just letting off steam, so it's easy to get over.
Now that I know your field of study, all those ethical threads you keep posting make a lot more sense and have a much greater meaning!
My particular frustration lies in the frame of reference I picked up at my high school, where I would see people metaphorically banging their head in a wall, when standing right next to a doorway. Attempts to help them resulted in counterattacks against me, so I've developed a (minor, I hope) flaw that I can jump to conclusions about people's level of sense, considering how little of it has been displayed to me by people in general. There's another aspect of myself I need to work on.
Hey, the rant thread, once again, leads towards some level of constructive energy!

Lilith |

I hate the fact that I was so scatterbrained over the weekend it felt like I really didn't get anything done that was remotely relaxing. *sigh* Oh, to be able to work from home!
I did, however, find some really cool books at Barnes & Noble and did character sketches for Syrinx's Graven and the Battle Babes art contest.

d13 |
It was a re-run so maybe we already covered this somewhere.
First of all, I dont make it a habit to watch "Wifeswap". Reality TV (although there are a few terrific exceptions) is pretty much the lowest form of television in my opinion. And since television can get pretty crappy anyway, that is saying a lot.
But did anyone else see last night's episode? One of the swapped wives lived with her family (husband and two home-schooled children) in a complete fantasyland. They dressed up in gaudy renaissance costumes, they ate medieval style food, and they all participated in their favorite pastime, Dungeons & Dragons.
**Well, they called it "Fantasy Roleplaying" in the show, probably for legal reasons, but they had the battle mat out, the screen, OK everybody here knows what D&D looks like**
I do not dress up when I play this game. If you do, then that is totally cool. I try to live my life by the rule, "if it makes someone happy and they aren't hurting anyone, more power to them". I think that is a pretty solid credo and, honestly, I have D&D to thank for it. I've have met a lot of cool, intelligent, interesting people through this game. But does it bother anyone else that the only time popular culture ever sees anyone involved with our hobby they happen to be camping outside the theatre in costume before the opening of "Star Wars" or "The Lord of the Rings"? Not everyone who plays this game fits that mold. Can we please bring a little balance to the Force?
If saying "Its ok that you dress up" and then blasting the woman for her lifestyle choices seems contradictory, let me qualify further why the woman drove me crazy. It wasn't just the dressing up and the food and bellydancing and mock Olde English speaking; she was sheltering her children and had (it appeared from TV so who knows truly) enforced her fantasy on them to a degree that was unhealthy. There is a line that gets crossed where fantasy takes on more importance than reality and I have a serious problem with that.
Ughh. I am just tired of the way our game is perpetually stereotyped by the main of society. We dont all wear Imperial Stormtrooper Armor to the Star Wars films. We dont all secretly want to be Pirates. Some of us have active social lives outside the gaming community/industry.
Why have we, as a gaming society, been reduced to nothing more than a punchline for Conan O'Brien?

d13 |
d13 wrote:I wanna be a pirate.We dont all wear Imperial Stormtrooper Armor to the Star Wars films. We dont all secretly want to be Pirates. Some of us have active social lives outside the gaming community/industry.
Well. . .
I do too. I didn't think it would be fair to not implicate myself somewhat in my ranting.(casting stones anyway)

![]() |

Why have we, as a gaming society, been reduced to nothing more than a punchline for Conan O'Brien?
Mostly because extremes sell.
I too don't watch Wife Swap much, but I did see one where one woman was some Star Wars freak who played some online Star Wars game something like 10-12 hours a day. She never interacted with her two kids or her husband and the rest of the family basically gave up on her.
What I think is especially funny (or sad depending on how you view it) is that a lot of people take things like that for cannon. As if every person who enjoys Star Wars locks themselves in a corner playing on the computer and sees the sun maybe twice a month.
That show will also use a lot of religious fanatics that will give good religious people a bad name. Normal Christians do not go around exorcising every piece of furniture that might be a little uncomfortable.
They find the most extreme people (of all types) on that show and if anyone thinks that the people on that show are "normal" -- well, they need to get out more...
One of the best references to D&D in the media was on the Buffy the Vampire finale (IMO). Another good reference was on one episode of Freaks and Geeks.

d13 |
One of the best references to D&D in the media was on the Buffy the Vampire finale (IMO). Another good reference was on one episode of Freaks and Geeks.
I'm glad to hear about these -- I wish I had seen them. Because I honestly couldn't think of one example from the recent media where people involved in the hobby were depicted in any way other than "laughable, hopeless dorks."
the only reference I could think of was the kids playing D&D at the beginning of E.T. and that was a while ago. . .

![]() |

Moff Rimmer wrote:I'm glad to hear about these -- I wish I had seen them. Because I honestly couldn't think of one example from the recent media where people involved in the hobby were depicted in any way other than "laughable, hopeless dorks."
One of the best references to D&D in the media was on the Buffy the Vampire finale (IMO). Another good reference was on one episode of Freaks and Geeks.
In Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the group was simply waiting for the right time for something to happen and so a few of the people got Giles to play some D&D to kill some time and to help take some of the intensity out of the situation. A couple of really good lines and a reference to Trogdor the Burninator.
In Freaks and Geeks, the geeks were volunteering in the AV department at school and one of the freaks was "forced" to do it as well as a kind of punishment. The geeks were talking about their campaign, the freak started asking questions and getting interested and asked if he could join in. The end showed him finishing one adventure, having a lot of fun, and asking to join in next time (which I don't think was shown -- I didn't watch much after that).
But, you are right. These examples are much more the exception rather than the rule.

Saern |

It was a re-run so maybe we already covered this somewhere.
First of all, I dont make it a habit to watch "Wifeswap". Reality TV (although there are a few terrific exceptions) is pretty much the lowest form of television in my opinion. And since television can get pretty crappy anyway, that is saying a lot.
But did anyone else see last night's episode? One of the swapped wives lived with her family (husband and two home-schooled children) in a complete fantasyland. They dressed up in gaudy renaissance costumes, they ate medieval style food, and they all participated in their favorite pastime, Dungeons & Dragons.
**Well, they called it "Fantasy Roleplaying" in the show, probably for legal reasons, but they had the battle mat out, the screen, OK everybody here knows what D&D looks like**
I do not dress up when I play this game. If you do, then that is totally cool. I try to live my life by the rule, "if it makes someone happy and they aren't hurting anyone, more power to them". I think that is a pretty solid credo and, honestly, I have D&D to thank for it. I've have met a lot of cool, intelligent, interesting people through this game. But does it bother anyone else that the only time popular culture ever sees anyone involved with our hobby they happen to be camping outside the theatre in costume before the opening of "Star Wars" or "The Lord of the Rings"? Not everyone who plays this game fits that mold. Can we please bring a little balance to the Force?
If saying "Its ok that you dress up" and then blasting the woman for her lifestyle choices seems contradictory, let me qualify further why the woman drove me crazy. It wasn't just the dressing up and the food and bellydancing and mock Olde English speaking; she was sheltering her children and had (it appeared from TV so who knows truly) enforced her fantasy on them to a degree that was unhealthy. There is a line that gets crossed where fantasy takes on more importance than reality and I have a serious problem with that.
Ughh. I am...
That sounds suspiciously like my Proginetor and her trained baboon of a third husband. What was this woman's name? They didn't live in Virginia, did they?

Valegrim |

I just have to scream; my wife is driving my absolutely crazy; I think she needs an institution; she is sometimes calm, loving and rational; the next moment unhinged, crying and in despair about everything; whew; thanks for the rant space. It is hard to be calm and supportive when your wife is in such pain. I sure am glad these boards are here for a game I love and the diversion it offers and filled with such good peeps.

Saern |

I'm not sure of your specific situation, Valegrim, and I'm hestitant to ask for fear it would be too much, but from what you describe, I can relate. When my mother was dying of cancer, she would wake in the night and couldn't help but pace the house screaming in pain. It only got worse from there. She started having swings in emotions like you describe when the morphine got to her.

![]() |

It sucks how people who don't give a f*%k can screw up an otherwise great person Valegrim. My wife's mother is/was an abusive, alcholic who used to make-up problems that the kids did so the step-dad(s) would line them up and whoop their asses. It would tire the step-dads out so my wonderful mother-in law didn't have to take so much whooping. She threw her kids into the lions den. At least the step-dads never did anything of a sexual nature and just(yeah, just!) used emotional and physical violence.
My wife is a great woman but the underlying damage can rear its' ugly head at some weird, unexpected times and just wreak havoc. I have tried so hard to be understanding and supportive but when she starts reverting to the self-defense technique of tearing and beating me down emotionally to prove herself superior I just want to scream WTF!!! Instead I walk away and try to stay calm. She comes around and tries to apologize for herself which I always say is accepted, but sometimes those words hit with the X4 critical hit and an apology, no matter how real, just doesn't fix it.
I don't know your sitch, but I can relate. We are all a bit crazed at times but some hide it better or healed faster than others. All you can do is be there (whether that means a shoulder to cry on or the bravery to make the decision to get help for them). The soul takes much longer to heal than the heart and we bear the scars forever.
FH (scarred like me)

![]() |

Aberzombie wrote:I hate drinking too much mead last night....You got mead? Where did you get it? How can I get some? You live in Philly so the supplier has got to be nearby! Come on, man, I need some mead! Gimme some mead, man! I NEED MEAD!!!!!
Just a little bit.......FH (looking for a fix)
The first one's always free. Bwahaha.

Hardkore |

Aberzombie wrote:I hate drinking too much mead last night....You got mead? Where did you get it? How can I get some? You live in Philly so the supplier has got to be nearby! Come on, man, I need some mead! Gimme some mead, man! I NEED MEAD!!!!!
Just a little bit.......FH (looking for a fix)
Fake man you should look into brewing some of your own. My brother got into it. He hasn't perfected the recipe yet but it's getting there. From what I here Mead isn't too hard to brew.

![]() |

Aberzombie wrote:I hate drinking too much mead last night....You got mead? Where did you get it? How can I get some? You live in Philly so the supplier has got to be nearby! Come on, man, I need some mead! Gimme some mead, man! I NEED MEAD!!!!!
Just a little bit.......FH (looking for a fix)
My chick and I went to the Pennsylvania Renassaince Fair this past weekend. It was founded and is run by Mount Hope Estates and Winery. The Winery runs a store right outside the entrance/exit to the fair. We just went in to look around and I saw the bottles of mead. Unfortunately, I only purchased one bottle, and it is almost gone.

![]() |

Fake Healer wrote:My chick and I went to the Pennsylvania Renassaince Fair this past weekend. It was founded and is run by Mount Hope Estates and Winery. The Winery runs a store right outside the entrance/exit to the fair. We just went in to look around and I saw the bottles of mead. Unfortunately, I only purchased one bottle, and it is almost gone.Aberzombie wrote:I hate drinking too much mead last night....You got mead? Where did you get it? How can I get some? You live in Philly so the supplier has got to be nearby! Come on, man, I need some mead! Gimme some mead, man! I NEED MEAD!!!!!
Just a little bit.......FH (looking for a fix)
I was gonna skip going this year but I guess I gotta now!
Thanks man!Oh yeah....
I hate that I can't buy mead, grog and other older-style drinks without a bunch of rig-a-ma-roll.
FH

Valegrim |

Thank for the support guys; well, it seems my wife and I both had pretty screwed up childhoods with all kinds of nastiness; sigh, I thought we were doing pretty good there for the last 13 years, but it seems things in my wifes head kinda exploded and now we are all in therapy and she is stayin with her mom with the kids; nuff said; just a real hard time which is why you see me lurking the threads here a lot more so I dont go crazy, that and I love this game. I just needed to rant cause life shouldnt be like this and being happy and secure with someone shouldnt be so bleeding hard. hehe I know my friends mean well, they figure that now that I have more free time on my hands, I can run a few more games.

Saern |

Valegrim wrote:....... they figure that now that I have more free time on my hands, I can run a few more games.Keeps you from thinkin' too much.
Which can do a lot more harm than it can good at times. Valegrim, I just hope that you are able to make it through whatever this is without any more pain than necessary.

farewell2kings |

Here's the Reader's Digest way to make mead:
You need two 5 gallon glass jugs, a fermentation lock (about $1.50 at a homebrew supply store), a rubber stopper for the jugs with a hole in the middle for the fermentation lock (about $1 at a homebrew store), some 3/8" plastic hose, a big cooking pot, 15 lbs of honey, wine yeast, some "yeast nutrient" (available in a brewing shop for about $3), 5 gallons of purified water, 20 wine bottles, 20 corks and a bottle corker (about $15 at a brewing supply store or internet outlet)
Put 3 gallons of water in fridge. Sanitize the glass jugs with bleach solution and rinse. Boil 2 gallons of water. Add honey. Stir. Boil about 10 minutes, skim foam off top. Put cold water in 5 gallon jug, add hot "honeywater" to 3 gallons of cold water in jug, add yeast nutrient, add yeast, put fermentation lock on top. During the first week you'll need to attach the rubber hose to the top of the jug so that the excess foam can drain out. Let the hose drain into a bucket filled with mild bleach solution. Let sit 1 month. Siphon liquid off sediment on bottom and transfer to the 2nd 5 gallon jug (also sanitized). Let sit 1 month. Tranfer again. Repeat until no sediment remains. Transfer liquid to bottles. Cork. Let sit 6-18 months. Drink.

farewell2kings |

Thank for the support guys; well, it seems my wife and I both had pretty screwed up childhoods with all kinds of nastiness; sigh, I thought we were doing pretty good there for the last 13 years, but it seems things in my wifes head kinda exploded and now we are all in therapy and she is stayin with her mom with the kids; nuff said; just a real hard time which is why you see me lurking the threads here a lot more so I dont go crazy, that and I love this game. I just needed to rant cause life shouldnt be like this and being happy and secure with someone shouldnt be so bleeding hard. hehe I know my friends mean well, they figure that now that I have more free time on my hands, I can run a few more games.
Hang in there, dude.

![]() |

Now, I understand you want to hire prn. people so's you don't have to pay agency technologists a bazillion dollars an hour.
But, YOUR F88888G ADD SHOULD SAY PRN NOT PART-TIME!!!!
Waste my g88j8N time, when I could be at work, home, watching the kids, while my wife drives halfways across Dallas to find out you don't want part-time, you want prn.
IF YOU QUIT TREATING PEOPLE LIKE A88888LES, MAYBE YOU COULD KEEP SOME PERMANENT STAFF, AND YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO PAY AGENCY PEOPLE A BAZILLION DOLLARS AN HOUR!!!
Dee Dee Dee!!!!

![]() |

I hate idiotic family members who wait until you are at their house to pick up something, at a pre-arranged time, who after seeing you say something like this: "Yeah, I just been laying around, I am sick with _______."
Thanks, A%#$ole, now I get to expose my kids to whatever you, in your own self-centered stupidity, managed to contract!
Now I'm sick and can't seem to do simple math, and my son is running a fever. Off to the doctor's tomorrow to see what it is! When I get better I think I'll put your f*@#ing arm in a sling so you can remember to NOT EXPOSE ME OR MY CHILDREN TO YOUR F@#%ING GERMS NEEDLESSLY!!!!
I want a Dome, a big, inpenetrable dome of force to keep a&$holes out of my life.
FH

Haun |

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE AND HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE STUPID JERKS AT SCHOOL WHO THINK THERE TIGHT AND OWN EVRYTHING! THE GUY THAT TOOK MY MAKE-OUT-BUDDY!!! AND THOSE GAY #$#%%RES WHO WANT TO START FIGHTS OVER IT!!!! IF YOUR GOING TO HIT ME DO IT DONT TALK ABOUT IT FU$$#$%%$!!!!!!!!!!!!

![]() |

I hate idiotic family members who wait until you are at their house to pick up something, at a pre-arranged time, who after seeing you say something like this: "Yeah, I just been laying around, I am sick with _______."
Thanks, A%#$ole, now I get to expose my kids to whatever you, in your own self-centered stupidity, managed to contract!
Now I'm sick and can't seem to do simple math, and my son is running a fever. Off to the doctor's tomorrow to see what it is! When I get better I think I'll put your f*@#ing arm in a sling so you can remember to NOT EXPOSE ME OR MY CHILDREN TO YOUR F@#%ING GERMS NEEDLESSLY!!!!
I want a Dome, a big, inpenetrable dome of force to keep a&$holes out of my life.FH
People who are sick need to STAY HOME. My day job is in customer service. People bring in all kinds of sicknesses without a second thought. I catch EVERYTHING.
But a lot of my income is as a singer, and if I can't sing, I don't get paid. I probably need a new day job, but they're not easy to find. And anyway, there's no reason for people to be spreading their germs around to anybody!