HA! Victory is mine! No longer am I bound as a slave to dial-up; I have internet now! I think that was a pretty big challenge to overcome. Where's my XP?!
HA! Victory is mine! No longer am I bound as a slave to dial-up; I have internet now! I think that was a pretty big challenge to overcome. Where's my XP?!
How the hell much does that cost? And where do you live?
hehe, I needed a smile. Sheesh this sorta wife problem I have is likely to make my head explode; sure is a headache.
Me, too! Me, too!I'm curious as well.
P.S. What's my "Style" like? =p
HA! Victory is mine! No longer am I bound as a slave to dial-up; I have internet now! I think that was a pretty big challenge to overcome. Where's my XP?!How the hell much does that cost? And where do you live?
Around $60/month (I think; I'll have to check again, and that's not counting installation, which is a few hundred), but it's worth it when your old speed was a whopping 20-28 Kb/s. It also helps when you get rid of your phone line as well. :) I just finished an 80 Mb download for WoW; previously, that would have taken around a day to complete, maybe more. Now? 20 minutes. Hear that? It's the sound of my mind blowing.
Oh, and I live near in Indiana, but near Louisville, KY (about 30-60 minutes away depending on route, traffic, and how fast you drive).
Watch me turn green with envy. Damn you, Saern. :P
After having read all the posts (whew) I would like to take the opportunity to rant on a few things.
1) A What is the attention span of the designers/writers of this material? They pump out more stuff than Steven King.
It is called revenue my friend: cash, currency, hard-spegetti.
They need to keep producing material, so you will keep buying it.Otherwise, what more do you need to buy once you invest in
the basic books.
Creative DMs who do not have to buy adventures, or the
latest adventure path, are pure evil. They need
cash spending game junkies who buy games as a substitute
for love.
I order you to buy a new game or game product once a week !!
If you do not do this you are a terrorist and hate your Mom.
2) Dogs and dog owners. Stop barking. Stop using my front lawn as a dumping ground, or at least have the courtesy to pick it up.
It is called a pellet gun. Preferebaly buy one
at a game store.
3) The growing lack of personal responsibility. Is noone responsible for his own actions anymore? Get hit by a car and get your check. Take a pill for some perceived illness. Blame society for a guy who goes on a killing spree. Sue Nabisco for making tasty cookies which got you fat. Stop it already!
You need to work three jobs and buy me food and pay my rent. Why?
Because you are so selfish and need to show you are worthy.
4) Language/grammar. If you come to America to make it your home, then become an American....
Wow, I completely agree with you.
ps. now get back to work!
Wayfinder, PaizoCon Founder
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The English language is stupid...
Trying to teach my 6 year old to read.
Silent 'e' at the end of a word make the vowel in front of it 'say its name', right? (Name, cane, time, fine, etc.)
So what happened to 'come', 'have', 'some', & 'give'?
Who came up with this stuff?
I have a 6-yr old boy as well. Much to our surprise, he has picked up reading pretty well. We used the LeapFrog stuff to get him used to all the weirdness that is the english language...their Letter Factory videos and games are really good. He has a LeapPad and LeapBook too.
A lot of knowing all these words is just a matter of recognition...seeing 'give' and hearing it several times and then remembering how it sounds.
Spelling, however...that is the next BIG hurdle!
The English language is stupid...
Trying to teach my 6 year old to read.
Silent 'e' at the end of a word make the vowel in front of it 'say its name', right? (Name, cane, time, fine, etc.)
So what happened to 'come', 'have', 'some', & 'give'?
Who came up with this stuff?
A couple of drunk pig farmers, one Norman and one Saxon, about 1,000 years ago, to see if they could get their respective villages to fall for it; it was all completely on a lark, just a prank. They roll in their graves with laughter today.
You've reminded me of a joke told to me by an old boss, who claimed to be an english major in college (and interestingly, ended up an air traffic controller).
There was a redneck boy raised on a farm, who was always told by his daddy that he should pay attention in school so he could someday go to college and make a better life for himself. He was a smart kid, did well in school, and ended up earning a scholarship to an ivy league school. His first day, he was amazed at the size of the campus, but found himself a bit lost. So, he decided to ask for directions.
He looked about for the first person coming his way, approached them, and said, "Excuse me, but could you tell me where the..." but the person snubbed them, and walked off without letting him finish asking his question.
Another person came by, but again they walked off. After a couple more times of this, he got frustrated at how rude people were, and decided he wouldn't let the next person snub him so easily.
The very next time someone came along, he jumped in front of them and wouldn't get out of the way. Quickly, he said in a clear voice, "Excuse me! Could you tell me where the admissions office is at?"
The man stopped, frowned, and stated arrogancely, "You stupid hick. Don't you know that you /never/ end a sentence in a preposition? Now, get out of my way!"
The redneck paused, considered this wisdom, and replied, "You know... you're right. Let me rephrase that." And without getting out of the man's way, said, "Excuse me. Could you tell me where the admissions office is at, jackass?" :)
Why the hell is only half my keyboard working? Thank the gods that the letter keys, space, numbers and punctuation is all just fine (as you can probably surmise by now). But things like my tab and delete keys seem to be asleep, on strike, dead, or a combination thereof. In short: argh. Not a full blown "ARGH!!!!!"; just argh.
The English language is stupid...
Trying to teach my 6 year old to read.
Silent 'e' at the end of a word make the vowel in front of it 'say its name', right? (Name, cane, time, fine, etc.)
So what happened to 'come', 'have', 'some', & 'give'?
Who came up with this stuff?
Nobody, in general the words are old. As language evolves and the rules change its all the periphery words that switch to follow the new rules. Really common words though don't switch, their used so often by everyone that they continue to follow the old rules of grammer. Rules that children etc. no longer automatically pick up. Instead, as time goes on we simply memorize the word and somehow categorize it as being one that does not follow the rules.
I popped around the internet and found a really cool comparison of early modern english (in and around the 1600's) versus middle english and old english.
My source is here
Our father which art in heauen, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heauen.
Giue us this day our daily bread.
And forgiue us our debts as we forgiue our debters.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliuer us from euill. Amen.
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Oure fadir þat art in heuenes halwid be þi name;
þi reume or kyngdom come to be. Be þi wille don in herþe as it is doun in heuene.
yeue to us today oure eche dayes bred.
And foryeue to us oure dettis þat is oure synnys as we foryeuen to oure dettouris þat is to men þat han synned in us.
And lede us not into temptacion but delyuere us from euyl.
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Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum
si þin nama gehalgod tobecume þin rice gewurþe þin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofonum
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us to dæg
and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice.
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notice that the word 'us' is the same in all three. Their are about 13 words still in common usage from old english and pretty much all of them are in very common usage, so common that they don't change as the language evolves.
Well, I could answer all the English questions, as I am like one of the five guys in the world that seems to know this oddball stuff, but then what would you rant about; ranting like this is healthy for you :)
BIG RANT! ARGHH! I am such a wuss with women...except when I am not.
Sexism sucks!
I am in an office with the majority of people are female. And funny enough they occupy all the managment positions. I get crap from female co workers (like greetings of Hi f***er!) and get to hear how men suck, are pigs, should pay for everything, a-holes, etc. What can I say? I'm the guy. I've mentioned it to my supervisor. Her response "Well stand up for yourself." Oh greet idea. So I should stand up for myself (without knowing if I'll get backing) so they can make my life more sucky. Sigh. It's funny I can break a persons neck without difficulty but dealing with emotional manipulative people... with can't I just use what I'm good at? Cause it's "Illegal". Bah!
Hey Sebastian! Could you take a look at what ArchLich’s posted?
Sexism sucks!
I am in an office with the majority of people are female. And funny enough they occupy all the managment positions. I get crap from female co workers (like greetings of Hi f***er!) and get to hear how men suck, are pigs, should pay for everything, a-holes, etc. What can I say? I'm the guy. I've mentioned it to my supervisor. Her response "Well stand up for yourself." Oh greet idea. So I should stand up for myself (without knowing if I'll get backing) so they can make my life more sucky. Sigh. It's funny I can break a persons neck without difficulty but dealing with emotional manipulative people... with can't I just use what I'm good at? Cause it's "Illegal". Bah!
I’m not a lawyer, so don’t take my word as gospel. But I believe this has all the earmarks of a serious sexual harassment lawsuit. You have a hostile work environment, it is making you uncomfortable, you complained, your manager did nothing, and HR didn’t investigate the claim. Sexual harassment goes both ways, the law doesn’t just protect women from men.
Sebastian, do you have any advice?
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Hey Sebastian! Could you take a look at what ArchLich’s posted?
Sexism sucks!
I am in an office with the majority of people are female. And funny enough they occupy all the managment positions. I get crap from female co workers (like greetings of Hi f***er!) and get to hear how men suck, are pigs, should pay for everything, a-holes, etc. What can I say? I'm the guy. I've mentioned it to my supervisor. Her response "Well stand up for yourself." Oh greet idea. So I should stand up for myself (without knowing if I'll get backing) so they can make my life more sucky. Sigh. It's funny I can break a persons neck without difficulty but dealing with emotional manipulative people... with can't I just use what I'm good at? Cause it's "Illegal". Bah!I’m not a lawyer, so don’t take my word as gospel. But I believe this has all the earmarks of a serious sexual harassment lawsuit. You have a hostile work environment, it is making you uncomfortable, you complained, your manager did nothing, and HR didn’t investigate the claim. Sexual harassment goes both ways, the law doesn’t just protect women from men.
Sebastian, do you have any advice?
Sorry, you're out of my specialty here. The only thing I would say is to consult an attorney sooner rather than later if you think you might bring a suit. If you wait too long, the statute of limitations can cut off your right to redress.
Fair enough – I wasn’t sure what your area of practice is but thought it was worth asking. Thanks for the reply!
Well, good luck ArchLich! I hope things get better, no matter what you decide to do. No one should have to put up with that kind of crap at his or her place of employment.
That sucks, Archlich. I've been in situations like that. Not every day, but still.
I once went to a party where it was just myself and my friend as the only guys there. At first I was excited because I like girls. But then, you know, they started talking about menstuation and things like that, literally sitting in a circle to talk about menstuating.
I'll tell you right now, I have no problem with menstuation. Hey, it's the crappy thing that women have to put up with until around the age of 60 and I'll never know what it's like. However, being in a room where there really is no way to join the conversation and said conversation proceeds for upwards of an ungodly twenty minutes without any sign of stopping...my friend and I jangled our keys and did the,"Welp, guess it's about time we get going" thing.
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Y'know, it's a b~@&$ when there's 5 guys and 1 girl around, or 5 girls and one guy around...it's just the way stuff is. When it's one girl, I usually try to have her back in the spirit of chivalry and fair play. When I'm the "Lone Gun" I just use my "tunnel vision/selective hearing" racial feat to protect my sanity. As a younger pup I'd get snarky brave, but that rarely ended well.
That being said, it's also a b+!*& to be outnumbered at work. Been there/done that. My usual is to say, "oh, I've heard the baleful sound that is the lament of the single she-human before. We're all such bastards, though; we can't help it, it's beyond our control" while pantomiming a violin solo. "We should be pitied, not vilified."
Then I'd go off into my little corner/cubicle/mancavern and sulk. I think using your "selective hearing" ability works well too. They all know that we have it. All their "a-holes" have selective hearing.
I don't know what I'd do to reply to "hello f*****." Probably say, "geez, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?" Or, "yup. That's what I was put on this planet for." Jeez. I'm sorry; been there/done that. I guess the only consolation is pretty soon they'll inevitably all be fighting amongst themselves, and you can just sit back and watch. It's almost a physical law, man. You'll be in the clear.
My favorite all time, though, is when I can make somebody "too mad to talk to me" and they give me the silent treatment. I sit around wondering.....how I can keep the "punishment" up? Gosh, it's so hard, to make them mad enough to keep it up w/out letting on what you're up to. I'm an expert at this, so I don't suggest you try it.
And as a final suggestion, you are the ONLY one there, I don't care who says anything different, that will DEIGN to CHANGE a TIRE. Remember this, homes. Use it to your advantage. It's the last bit of "male magic power" left to us.
Yours, Tongue fully in cheek,
Heathansson.
When I talked to a manager about something like this a few years back I described my situation as if it was "someone else", and narrated it so that the "someone else" was a woman being harassed by men. After getting her agreement that this was harassment I explained that exactly this was happening to me, and that it was her responsibility to do something, which she did. She was a very cool lady and used my narrative technique on the women who were harassing me and the problem was solved.
Thankfully, over the years I've realized that these types (pigs) are a minority, both among men and women.
I get tired of people (especially DMs) who lay down the law about rules when they don't know the rules. I had a DM recently who ruled that my daughter's riding dog's bite attack was piercing damage and so couldn't go through the DR of a monstrosity that was pounding us to paste. I could have showed him what the rule was, but he didn't want me looking things up in the Monster Manual during the game. I told him that I was dead certain that the bite was not solely piercing damage and he declared that he had made his ruling and we needed to move on.
Only an idiot rules against a father who's trying to keep his 10 year-old daughter's character alive and won't let the player use the accursed rulebook to show him the accursed rule.
I get tired of people (especially DMs) who lay down the law about rules when they don't know the rules. I had a DM recently who ruled that my daughter's riding dog's bite attack was piercing damage and so couldn't go through the DR of a monstrosity that was pounding us to paste. I could have showed him what the rule was, but he didn't want me looking things up in the Monster Manual during the game. I told him that I was dead certain that the bite was not solely piercing damage and he declared that he had made his ruling and we needed to move on.
Only an idiot rules against a father who's trying to keep his 10 year-old daughter's character alive and won't let the player use the accursed rulebook to show him the accursed rule.
Normally the response to arguing is "move on" but those DM rulings are supposed to add to the speed of the game and the fun of the game. After all it is only a small amount of damage, I would think the DM was trying to make sure you didn't "foil" his "well conceived" monster attack.
And by the way, thanks for all the support. It doesn't happen ever day but it happens.
We were fighting a troll skeleton. It was dishing out 15 to 20 points of damage a round.
Since our party was made up of a 3rd level bard (a good cheerleader, but a lousy fighter), a halfling rogue 1-wizard 1 (fighting undead wasn't her forte, either), her dog, my 4th level cleric (running around healing the barbarian like crazy), a 1st level barbarian (repeatedly unconscious after getting some love from the troll bones), and an 3rd level archer (useless against the skeleton), the dog was potentially the most effective damage dealer left standing (doing 1d6+4 with the bard's inspirational boost).
Who won?
After fighting for a while, one of the PCs cast Protection from Evil on himself and the thing was unable to hit him. This gave us the clue that the skeleton had been summoned, so he "corked" it away from the other party members until the summons' duration ran out. The DM hadn't actually been tracking the rounds, so we fought it for about 16 rounds (The DM admitted afterward the thing should have only been around for 10).
The party won, but it cost us nearly every consumable we had. Two potions of Cure Light Wounds, 2 flasks of alchemist's fire, a scroll of Lesser Orb of Acid and about 14 charges from a wand of cure light wounds were burned up, a ridiculous cost for a third-level party.
DM admited he screwed up so politely ask him/her to add to the next treasure pile to help keep the game going.
Sexism sucks!
I am in an office with the majority of people are female. And funny enough they occupy all the managment positions. I get crap from female co workers (like greetings of Hi f***er!) and get to hear how men suck, are pigs, should pay for everything, a-holes, etc. What can I say? I'm the guy. I've mentioned it to my supervisor. Her response "Well stand up for yourself."(Snip, snip, snippity, snip...)
I'm sorry that I hijacked your discussion with my rant the other day!
I work in a very "PC" environment, where double standards like that are still common, where I've seen coworkers receive formal discipline for cussing and a guy can get fired for "ogling" a woman. You need to inform your coworkers politely that you don't feel comfortable with the tone of their comments. Quietly document exactly what happened, what you did to address it and any supervisory response. Bend over backward to be friendly, courteous, and thoughtful, so that there is no question that you have a personal anuimus against any of the people involved.
If things don't significantly improve, take it up the chain to a higher level supervisor. When you produce your file of notes with dates, names of the staff present, what happened, and your supervisor's inadequate response, I guarantee that you'll get attention. Nothing frightens middle management like an employee who's clearly "building a file" to prepare for possible legal action.
DM admited he screwed up so politely ask him/her to add to the next treasure pile to help keep the game going.
Actually, I plan to avoid gaming with him in the future. I have been gaming for over 30 years; if someone is unwilling to believe me when I cite the rules with 100% confidence and won't let me show him where it's quoted, I'm done with him. This was an RPGA event, so he isn't allowed to alter the scenario, nor to add to the treasure later.
Everyone makes mistakes (I certainly have!), but most people listen to others when they say that they are 100% confident about something.
Actually, I plan to avoid gaming with him in the future. I have been gaming for over 30 years; if someone is unwilling to believe me when I cite the rules with 100% confidence and won't let me show him where it's quoted, I'm done with him. This was an RPGA event, so he isn't allowed to alter the scenario, nor to add to the treasure later.
Everyone makes mistakes (I certainly have!), but most people listen to others when they say that they are 100% confident about something.
Looks like differing styles of play to me. Personally I'm right there with you - I'd stop the game and look up the rule but I'm not kidding myself that stopping for 8 minutes in the middle of a fight takes something away from the atmosphere. Being a mechanically inclined DM who thinks the rules take precedence over atmosphere its a price I'm willing to pay but a lot of DMs have a 'make a ruling now and look it up later' philosophy. That bite happens to be piercing/bludgeoning and slashing is not actually intuitive. Bite damage should be just piercing if one is trying to use logic but natural attacks are all three for simplicities sake.
Ok, so before I start I know I'm drawing a huge target on myself but...
I hate druids. They are overpowered, too easily Min-Maxed, no codes of conduct, no gods to oversee their actions and they get to have "True Neutral" the laziest alignment ever!
Ever druid I've seen choses the "worships nature" BS. Paladins can worship "good as a force" but at least they have a clear code of conduct. Druids are just nature clerics that don't get the negatives of clerics. They don't get the negatives of polymorph either. I mean natural spell? Casting while in forms that can't gesture or speak? Wizards, sorcerers or anybody else can't get that.
Remove the natural spell feat from the game completely and then the class would be fine.
In fact I think in the future I am banning True Nuetral and Natural Spell. Maybe even the whole worships nature as a force too.
Your thoughts?
Ok, so before I start I know I'm drawing a huge target on myself but...
I hate druids. They are overpowered, too easily Min-Maxed, no codes of conduct, no gods to oversee their actions and they get to have "True Neutral" the laziest alignment ever!Ever druid I've seen choses the "worships nature" BS. Paladins can worship "good as a force" but at least they have a clear code of conduct. Druids are just nature clerics that don't get the negatives of clerics. They don't get the negatives of polymorph either. I mean natural spell? Casting while in forms that can't gesture or speak? Wizards, sorcerers or anybody else can't get that.
Remove the natural spell feat from the game completely and then the class would be fine.
In fact I think in the future I am banning True Nuetral and Natural Spell. Maybe even the whole worships nature as a force too.
Your thoughts?
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. target draaaaawn...
FIRE!Who cares if they have Neutral? Alignment counts not. Deeds do (okay, I'm not sure how that works out, actually...) What I mean is that anybody can be Neutral, but the Druids have to. You want a lazy alignment class, get one with no restrictions. As for overpowered, well, look at dwarves. You want an underpowered thing? Half-orcs. As for feats, they are not an advantage. every feat has the same power, otherwise you'd have to be less careful about creating them. Being able to qualify for a feat is not an advantage, or you would have to be more careful creating a one. who cares if they can worship nature? they have to be devoted to it, just like paladins. Druids have a clear code of conduct: Protect nature. Paladins have a clear code of conduct: Protect the innocent. Monks are overpowered. Maybe paladins are. Perhaps the arcane casters. Maybe clerics. But druids are not, are not overpowered.
Ever druid I've seen choses the "worships nature" BS.
As for that, they don't exactly have a choice.
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Ok, so before I start I know I'm drawing a huge target on myself but...
TARGET ACQUIRED. LOCKING ON. FIRING IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
I have yet to use natural spell just because I usually do the PHB2 variant of shapeshift, so I think that if you wanted to remove it then go for it but I would also consider making the variant Shapeshift rule replace the whole "I can be of any form I wanna be" rule.I also find that I always take a god of nature as my patron deity so that rule wouldn't effect me.
Now one thing to remember is that the spontaneous summons spells absolutely suck. Nobody likes wasting a whole round casting a spell.
That's all I got. Nothing too awful. I personally hate Tome of Battle. Druids look real tame compared to anything in that book, especially when you start adding a couple other supplements to the mix.
TARGET IS CONFIRMED: DESTROYED.
Ever druid I've seen choses the "worships nature" BS.As for that, they don't exactly have a choice.
They could worship a nature god. Which I think will be the only option in the future in my campaigns.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. target draaaaawn...
FIRE!
Who cares if they have Neutral? Alignment counts not. Deeds do (okay, I'm not sure how that works out, actually...) What I mean is that anybody can be Neutral, but the Druids have to. You want a lazy alignment class, get one with no restrictions. As for overpowered, well, look at dwarves. You want an underpowered thing? Half-orcs. As for feats, they are not an advantage. every feat has the same power, otherwise you'd have to be less careful about creating them. Being able to qualify for a feat is not an advantage, or you would have to be more careful creating a one. who cares if they can worship nature? they have to be devoted to it, just like paladins. Druids have a clear code of conduct: Protect nature. Paladins have a clear code of conduct: Protect the innocent. Monks are overpowered. Maybe paladins are. Perhaps the arcane casters. Maybe clerics. But druids are not, are not overpowered.
I don't care about neutral alignments. It's true neutral that I have a problem with. or more correctly I have a problem with people choosing that alignment specifically because of the "I balance my actions" explanation of why they can get away with anything that isn't the outright destruction of nature.
Half-orcs aren't underpowered but then neither are they overpowered. Orcs suck and so half-orcs should also not be the most pleasant. They should never have been made a main race in the first place.
Dwarves over powered? Please explain. They seem in line with elves and such.
Feats are all equal??? Sure they are. Sure they are.
What does protect nature entail? How is that an exact code? Does "protecting innocents" qualify has how paladins must fight honorably, never lie or use poison?
Monks are overpowered? I could understand where you might be coming from. But explain.
But that is just an excuse, the issue is not "Hey lets make everyone more powerful!" but "Hey lets make sure this doesn't get out of hand".
TARGET ACQUIRED. LOCKING ON. FIRING IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
I have yet to use natural spell just because I usually do the PHB2 variant of shapeshift, so I think that if you wanted to remove it then go for it but I would also consider making the variant Shapeshift rule replace the whole "I can be of any form I wanna be" rule.
I also find that I always take a god of nature as my patron deity so that rule wouldn't effect me.
Now one thing to remember is that the spontaneous summons spells absolutely suck. Nobody likes wasting a whole round casting a spell.
That's all I got. Nothing too awful. I personally hate Tome of Battle. Druids look real tame compared to anything in that book, especially when you start adding a couple other supplements to the mix.TARGET IS CONFIRMED: DESTROYED.
Hmmm I'll look into the PHB 2. And thank you for actually choosing a god.
Summon be full round? I'm pretty sure it is just a standard action like all spells.
And I don't have ToB in my games.
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Summon be full round? I'm pretty sure it is just a standard action like all spells.
Not all spells have a casting time of 1 standard action. Most do, but not all.
Summon spells have a casting time of 1 round. Not a full-round action, 1 round. You start it on one turn, it takes your move action and your standard action that round, and it comes into effect the next round.
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Summon be full round? I'm pretty sure it is just a standard action like all spells.
Summoning is a full round. I have always liked the idea of creating a summoning expert, but the number of feats needed to take to make it worthwhile mean that you won't really be good at it until much later in levels.
As far as wild shape is concerned -- bring it on. My experience is that their AC drops significantly making them far, far easier to hit. There are some prestige classes that allow them to wild shape into other creatures and those are tough to keep balanced.
As for alignment -- when people start using their alignment as an excuse for their crappy actions, then I would have a serious sit down talk with the player.
Not all spells have a casting time of 1 standard action. Most do, but not all.
Summon spells have a casting time of 1 round. Not a full-round action, 1 round. You start it on one turn, it takes your move action and your standard action that round, and it comes into effect the next round.
Thanks for the clarification! Looked it up and your right:) Guess I shouldn't trust my player who was using them as standard actions last night :(
I'm mightily sick of the preposterous over-reactions to every little bit of news that pops up about 4E. I swear messageboards make otherwise normal people act like a village hall chock full of scandalized old ladies. So today's rant is a response to this thread. I didn't want to provoke a flame war with all of our new members over there.
D&D is a game that we play for fun. Why does anyone care if they change the cosmology? Keep using the Great Wheel! Why not? No-one's forcing anyone to adapt here. The only people this can really affect are new players who come to D&D for the first time with 4E and so won't know their Elysiums from their Asgards. No-one on this board fits that description. The rest of us have a choice.
So freakin what if the new MM says Demons are stupid rampaging monsters and Devils are deliciously devious masterminds? If you don't dig that then ignore it. You've got the old books. Use the stats and not the fluff. Or make up your own stats. If it says a Balor has INT6 ignore it. Give him INT23 if you like. Whatever.
The only reason I can think of for someone to make a genuine (ie non-hysterical) complaint about this is if you are a stickler for tradition and you are upset that something that has been in existence for 30 years is changing.* I can see that. But if that's your reason, then again, JUST IGNORE THEIR NEW FLUFF. Hey, you'll be saving money.
Honestly people, get a grip.
Thank you!!! I am seriously as tired of this as you are. I play Palladium Games and when R:UE was announced there was hype and talk and it all turned out to be for want. I am not saying the same thing is going to happen here but enough already....Any rules changes are strictly guidelines for use or discard
As far as wild shape is concerned -- bring it on. My experience is that their AC drops significantly making them far, far easier to hit. There are some prestige classes that allow them to wild shape into other creatures and those are tough to keep balanced.
Well the problem isn't the wild shaping itself but it being coupled with wild armour, natural spell, stat increases (biggest problem being apes, dire apes, legendary apes, tigers etc.) and wildshaping Prestige Classes etc.
Ok, so before I start I know I'm drawing a huge target on myself but...
I hate druids. They are overpowered, too easily Min-Maxed, no codes of conduct, no gods to oversee their actions and they get to have "True Neutral" the laziest alignment ever!Ever druid I've seen choses the "worships nature" BS. Paladins can worship "good as a force" but at least they have a clear code of conduct. Druids are just nature clerics that don't get the negatives of clerics. They don't get the negatives of polymorph either. I mean natural spell? Casting while in forms that can't gesture or speak? Wizards, sorcerers or anybody else can't get that.
Remove the natural spell feat from the game completely and then the class would be fine.
In fact I think in the future I am banning True Nuetral and Natural Spell. Maybe even the whole worships nature as a force too.
Your thoughts?
I happen to agree with you...To a point. I think that a person who wants to play a druid should truely understand what that class is and does. I tend to think, from my experience that most who decide to play Druids tend to underpower their class by sheer lack of understanding.
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Well the problem isn't the wild shaping itself but it being coupled with wild armour, natural spell, stat increases (biggest problem being apes, dire apes, legendary apes, tigers etc.) and wildshaping Prestige Classes etc.
Make sure that you read up on all the errata and FAQ from the Wizards site regarding wild shape and druids in general. You could also argue that the character can't change into something they haven't seen. How many legendary apes has the character come into contact with?
Prestige classes can be problematic though. One of the players in our group was trying to see just how broke some of the classes were. There was a prestige class that allowed him to wild shape into magical creatures (remorhaz rather often was chosen) and eventually into constructs (iron golem was often times chosen). DR 15/adamantine was a bit difficult to overcome with normal animals or other creatures. It was a bit nuts.
Hey glad for all the responses. Feel free to post more. After all I might have missed something.
Monks are overpowered? I could understand where you might be coming from. But explain.
Monks have a lot of good things. Personally, i don't really think so. I just thought it sounded good.
Half-orcs aren't underpowered but then neither are they overpowered. Orcs suck and so half-orcs should also not be the most pleasant. They should never have been made a main race in the first place.
Half-orcs are underpowered. Compare them to dwarves. They only have a few special abilities, and they aren't that good. Darkvision? Whee. Dwarves have that. Orc blood? Whoopee. that's as much of a disadvantage as an advantage. And don't bring elves into it! they should be way too powerful to be a PC race. In Tolkien's book, they were way more powerful than in D&D. People just like elves (thanks in part to Orlando Bloom)so they brought down the elf so we could play them. And made them 100 subraces.
I don't care about neutral alignments. It's true neutral that I have a problem with. or more correctly I have a problem with people choosing that alignment specifically because of the "I balance my actions" explanation of why they can get away with anything that isn't the outright destruction of nature.As for the balance actions thing, I agree. People have abused that alignment. But without that, I think it should be fine.
Feats are all equal??? Sure they are. Sure they are.Feats are supposed to be equal, even if they sometimes aren't.
What does protect nature entail? How is that an exact code? Does "protecting innocents" qualify has how paladins must fight honorably, never lie or use poison?
Don't rant to me about the not-using-poison thing. I think that they shouldn't think that. It's ridiculous. But don't blame me.
But that is just an excuse
These were not excuses. They are examples.
Bah; druids are not overpowered; Clerics are overpowered with all their mamby pamby spells; good armor; decent fighting; down with clerics; up with druids! I just might have to lock and load on the next sorry gm that tries to tell me (if I play a druid) that I cant turn into a bear cause I have never seen one; sheesh; as if the power isnt coming from a nature diety who certainly knows freakin simple @ZZ bear!
hehe now that is a rant :)
Gnomes are overpowered is coolness; yeah, they are way to cool for the game :)