Bring back Yugoloths!


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Please bring back conversions of Yugoloth that hasn't yet been converted, like the Baernoloth, Dhergaloth, Hydroloth and the 3 breeds of Guardian Yugoloths! Yugoloths need loving too!

Though there're some tanar'ri I would like to see converted, like the molydeus.

And the Hordlings from the Gray Wastes, bring them back too!


This is why you need to read Dungeon too . . . Hordlings were already converted for 3.5 in Dungeon, as they play a part in "Chambers of Antiquities" in Dungeon #124.


KnightErrantJR wrote:
This is why you need to read Dungeon too . . . Hordlings were already converted for 3.5 in Dungeon, as they play a part in "Chambers of Antiquities" in Dungeon #124.

They did Hordling conversion already?

Bah, this is why I wish I knew what material was in Dungeon so I could know whether or not to purchase it. I wish they didn't do conversions n Dungeon and kept it to Dragon only. :(

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Razz wrote:
KnightErrantJR wrote:
This is why you need to read Dungeon too . . . Hordlings were already converted for 3.5 in Dungeon, as they play a part in "Chambers of Antiquities" in Dungeon #124.

They did Hordling conversion already?

Bah, this is why I wish I knew what material was in Dungeon so I could know whether or not to purchase it. I wish they didn't do conversions n Dungeon and kept it to Dragon only. :(

Other converted monsters that have appeared in Dungeon recently: froghemoth, flumph, true ghoul, nabassu demon, Kerzit, tyrg, colchlin demon, hetfish, slow shadow...

There will be more to come in Dungeon, if only because I'm a sucker for the old school cool. :)


James Jacobs wrote:
Razz wrote:
KnightErrantJR wrote:
This is why you need to read Dungeon too . . . Hordlings were already converted for 3.5 in Dungeon, as they play a part in "Chambers of Antiquities" in Dungeon #124.

They did Hordling conversion already?

Bah, this is why I wish I knew what material was in Dungeon so I could know whether or not to purchase it. I wish they didn't do conversions n Dungeon and kept it to Dragon only. :(

Other converted monsters that have appeared in Dungeon recently: froghemoth, flumph, true ghoul, nabassu demon, Kerzit, tyrg, colchlin demon, hetfish, slow shadow...

There will be more to come in Dungeon, if only because I'm a sucker for the old school cool. :)

Oh man Froghemoth? Flumphs!? NABASSU?! Which issues were these? :(


Nabassu was issue 112 I believe (the first Maure Castle issue)...


James Jacobs wrote:
There will be more to come in Dungeon, if only because I'm a sucker for the old school cool. :)

i really need to get inspired to write a good adventure for Dungeon that incorporates some conversions... ;)


BOZ wrote:
i really need to get inspired to write a good adventure for Dungeon that incorporates some conversions... ;)

Return to the Return to the Keep on the Borderlands???


heh, or re-expidition to the barrier peaks... ;)

of course, i have long wanted to write an adventure based around a very odd zoo/circus...

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BOZ wrote:

heh, or re-expidition to the barrier peaks... ;)

of course, i have long wanted to write an adventure based around a very odd zoo/circus...

heh...

Before we decided on updating "Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure" for Dungeon #112, Erik and I were hoping to update "Expedition to the Barrier Peaks" in the magazine, including filling in all those blank rooms on the map with more stuff. Alas... our initial investigations into this project revealed that we'd need a 200 page magazine to pull it off, so we went for a shorter module instead (and even then had a devil of a time fitting that in; the original draft of "Maure Castle" would have required an additional 20 or so pages of magazine!).

In any case... while we welcome adventures that update old monsters or that are inspired by old adventures (or are even sequels to old adventures), we aren't really interested in proposals that update old adventures. When/if we do something like this again, we'll be soliciting the rewrite from an author we've already worked with.


heh, no worries, i had no intention of even trying to update EttBP. ;)

now, an adventure featuring classic monsters... that can be done. ;)

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BOZ wrote:

heh, or re-expidition to the barrier peaks... ;)

of course, i have long wanted to write an adventure based around a very odd zoo/circus...

You can use the sideshow from the adventure the devil's box if you have the issue. Sorry i don't know which number.


Which yugoloths needed conversions now?

I know Baernaloths, Derghaloths, Hyrdoloths, those Gacholoths from Dungeon #49/Monstrous Compendium Annual IV...while they're at it, giving us the new Oinoloth, Charon and Anthraxus is also a must. That could be a nice article in and of itself.

should put in another 3 yugoloths, brand new ones though. 3 new, 4 old, Oinoloth, Charon, and Anthraxus. That'd be a nice yugoloth article.

Hey, while we're at it, how soon can we see an actual Yugoloth issue maybe? Huh? Huh!? Sounds like an issue many would enjoy.


someone may have sent in a query for such an article, but i have no idea who. ;)


BOZ wrote:
someone may have sent in a query for such an article, but i have no idea who. ;)

If that was you...and they accept it...and publish it very soon, then I bow to you and will perform a yugoloth ritual suicide that will bind my spirit to your awesomeness!

*lol*

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Boz isn't the only one who sent in a query. ;)

Still waiting to hear back on it though. *'lothy grin*


OK here's the deal. Are there maps to EttBP online that the general public can access? If so...why don't we, as a community, revamp it for 3.5? Why wait for someone to give it to you? Be a part of bringing it back to life!


i never said that i did any such thing. *looks innocent*


See, Monster Manual 4 has 3 new yugoloths, none of which are the ones that should be converted.

DRAGON! YOU ARE OUR LAST HOPE! :D

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James Jacobs wrote:
...There will be more to come in Dungeon, if only because I'm a sucker for the old school cool. :)

And that is why I now have a subscription!

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Bring back yugoloths? I'm trying! They're new ones, not conversions, though...

*goes back to patiently waiting to hear back from that query*


Any chance Yugoloths are featured in a Fiendish Codex III?


So far 3 posters on this thread have sent in queries on yugoloths...come on folks at Dragon, you know you want to! :D

Dark Archive

Yugoloths? I love these guys...:)
Does anyone know if there're 3.5-stats for the arcanoloth somewhere?


Absinth wrote:

Yugoloths? I love these guys...:)

Does anyone know if there're 3.5-stats for the arcanoloth somewhere?

Check the MM3

Scarab Sages

James Jacobs wrote:
BOZ wrote:

heh, or re-expidition to the barrier peaks... ;)

of course, i have long wanted to write an adventure based around a very odd zoo/circus...

heh...

Before we decided on updating "Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure" for Dungeon #112, Erik and I were hoping to update "Expedition to the Barrier Peaks" in the magazine, including filling in all those blank rooms on the map with more stuff. Alas... our initial investigations into this project revealed that we'd need a 200 page magazine to pull it off, so we went for a shorter module instead (and even then had a devil of a time fitting that in; the original draft of "Maure Castle" would have required an additional 20 or so pages of magazine!).

In any case... while we welcome adventures that update old monsters or that are inspired by old adventures (or are even sequels to old adventures), we aren't really interested in proposals that update old adventures. When/if we do something like this again, we'll be soliciting the rewrite from an author we've already worked with.

Make the Re-Expedition to the Barrier Peaks a 200 page hardbound book and i will buy it. That would be awesome!

Thoth-Amon

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Allen Stewart wrote:
Absinth wrote:

Yugoloths? I love these guys...:)

Does anyone know if there're 3.5-stats for the arcanoloth somewhere?
Check the MM3

Checked. It's not in there...

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There are no 3.5 stats for arcanoloths yet, but they woefully need updating from their 3.0 stats in MM2. Moreso than anything else in that book, I think!

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James Jacobs wrote:
There are no 3.5 stats for arcanoloths yet, but they woefully need updating from their 3.0 stats in MM2. Moreso than anything else in that book, I think!

This really sounds good...:D


So to anyone who has sent in a yugoloth query, have any of you received a reply on it? Was it taken or passed on?


actually, that was one of three queries i was expecting to hear a reply from but have not as of yet... (sent in the Yugo query around February)

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My yugoloth query was rejected. Not even looted for CCVI. Alas.


Really? That sucks.

I wonder what's the gripe with yugoloths? Come on Dragon, accept them! You know you want to!

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Razz wrote:
So to anyone who has sent in a yugoloth query, have any of you received a reply on it? Was it taken or passed on?

I'm still playing the waiting game. As of GenCon though, my query was sitting with a few others waiting for a decision.

*goes back to writing the next Baernaloth story for PW*


same here. i wouldn't be surprised if they are are on hold because WotC is deciding whether or not to do FC3. :D

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For those of us feeling a bit pensive as we're waiting to get a yay or nay on yugoloth related ideas, or just other submission queries, a part of a scene I was writing up the other day for a story seemed relevant in some fashion at least as far as tone goes: tedium, waiting, worry, expectations, etc.

So let me share while we're all waiting.

Shemmy wrote:


Azcajal ap Shelloth stood and looked out across the Waste from his vantage point above Oinos, three miles up on a balcony carved from the tower of his ultroloth master. The arcanaloth's hands gripped the railing with such intensity that his knuckles were white and his claws curved back to the point of cutting into his palms. He was not afaid of falling from that height, nor was he simply pensive. No, he was terrified.

Time ticked by with only the wind in his face as a reminder of the passage of a commodity he treasured more in his present state even more than he ever had. An immortal being, he suddenly felt as a mortal must when confronted with their own mortality, realizing that their mayfly lives would eventually end. Azcajal felt old, he felt mortal, firmly aware of the insignificance of his own existance, and he had felt that way for an hour; ever since he had been summoned by his master and escorted to speak to -his-.

He had been given a task.

Already twitching from the periodic gusts of wind that whipped erratic at that altitude, one of the 'loth's ears canted and swiveled at the sound of approaching footsteps. As his master had taken him, so too would he escort another in the same capacity, but blessedly this time he...

Azcajal shuddered and pushed the thoughts from his mind. He at least would survive, but as for the fiend who now approached, that was a question whose answer he did not care to know.

The arcanaloth's nose inhaled reflexively and his tongue tasted the air like a serpent while his mind reached out to do the same to the dull but promising psyche behind him. Without turning his head, without betraying the fear and dread in his eyes, he already knew the identity of the other fiend. It was a nycaloth, Narsaleth the Brooding, a relatively young and ambitious fiend who he had previously marked as being potentially worthy of promotion to arcanaloth status. Azcajal had followed and tracked the progress of the other fiend till eventually he had met with him, tested him, and agreed to sponsor his trial before their mutual ultroloth masters.

The wolf-headed arcanaloth frowned and held up his hands, letting their wounds heal before turning to face the nycaloth. Narsaleth had waited months to learn how the ultroloths had taken his bid for promotion, if they would consider him or not, and the lesser fiend likely believed that the purpose for his summoning would be news on that front.

Twice his size, the nycaloth nonetheless knelt and looked up at him, spreading his wings and putting one pair of hands on the floor and holding the other up in a sign of plaintive submission.

"What did they say?" Narsaleth's eyes were anxious, pleading, even though he otherwise held his breath. His promotion was at stake. He was at the cusp of advancement, surely he was.

"I..." Looking down at him, Azcajal seemed to pause before answering, it was awkward. Could they have denied his petition even before judgment? "My advocacy of you has been taken into consideration."

That was a start. It was not a negative. But the answer was evasive, the arcanoloth had minced his words and twisted them together, but he hadn't actually answered the question.

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Well I suppose that we're not very likely to see any yugoloth article(s) in print in Dragon at this point. For shame. :(

*raises a glass to Dragon* It's been fun.


nope, that now seems less likely than ever.


BOZ wrote:
nope, that now seems less likely than ever.

Well, after all the replies WotC has been giving, there's now a better chance we'll see Yugoloth material! :D


hopefully - somehow, somewhere!

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BOZ wrote:
hopefully - somehow, somewhere!

Vile, fiendish, godless stuff. And we want in on it! ;)


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James Jacobs wrote:
There are no 3.5 stats for arcanoloths yet, but they woefully need updating from their 3.0 stats in MM2. Moreso than anything else in that book, I think!

There's a 3.5 version of an arcanoloth sorcerer 2/archmage 4 in Diplomacy (Dungeon #144). Drop the class levels for a (nasty) CR 17 update.


That I knew about.

What I am hoping for is all those yugoloth submissions that were sent to Dragon are being considered by WotC for their DI content. Considering the fact that Paizo said their queries will be in WotC's hands and WotC stated that they're continuing to accept freelance submissions.

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Razz wrote:
What I am hoping for is all those yugoloth submissions that were sent to Dragon are being considered by WotC for their DI content. Considering the fact that Paizo said their queries will be in WotC's hands and WotC stated that they're continuing to accept freelance submissions.

QFT.

But of course I'm so incredibly biased in the matter since I had one in that stack. ;)

Here's hoping. *grinning mouthful of fangs*

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Ecology of the Yugoloths!!!!!


Yugoloths were originally called Daemons in 1st edition. Daemon is the Greek word (maybe Latin and I'm confusing for Greek) for demon. I immensely enjoyed the Fiendish Codex #1, so I'll gladly spring for another book of 'daemons' in a Fiendish Codex #3.

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Allen Stewart wrote:
Daemon is the Greek word (maybe Latin and I'm confusing for Greek) for demon.

Greek. The Latin equivalent is 'genius'.

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If you like yugoloths, check out my kerexoloth on my site....


seankreynolds wrote:
If you like yugoloths, check out my kerexoloth on my site....

Interesting, I like it. Then again, I like all yugoloths, heh. Would be neat to see that published in a future WotC product (really hoping for a FC3 right now...)

I think you should also do a sidebar with a variant kerexoloth using the rules from "Tome of Magic: Truename Magic" chapter.

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