Guardian: Ferocious Vengeance


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This is regarding the Ferocious Vengeance Threat Technique.

Can someone clarify what this wording means for me:

Battlecry Playtest wrote:
You deal 2 additional damage on Strikes against creatures affected by your Taunt if they take a hostile action that doesn’t include you as a target. This bonus lasts until the end of your turn.

So:

“You deal 2 additional damage on Strikes against creatures affected by your Taunt…” - yep, I get that.

“ if they take a hostile action that doesn’t include you as a target.” Ok, but my question here is…when? Is this supposed to key into Reactions you might make, somehow, like possibly gifted by a Commander? I’m getting confused because *you* are doing more damage, but it’s because *they* are taking an action. So when does this possible extra damage happen? How long ago does the Taunt-affected foe have to not be targeting you?

“This bonus lasts until the end of your turn.” I’m not sure I understand this either. Is this meant to *not* then work with Reactions outside of your turn?

I get I’m probably being obtuse, but would like some clarification.

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I’m also a bit lost on the Threat Technique being a.. thing. Are Threats detailed elsewhere and upgraded/interacted with via feats? They just seem tacked on.

As an aside, mostly the class seems woefully undercooked in terms of what it might have achieved. There seems to be a lot missing here to give the Guardian agency. And the reliance on Taunts is disappointing. Not to mention that even if they critically fail against your taunt, they still get a bonus to hit you. I understand that is the “understood/accepted mechanic” of how Taunts work, but I just don’t like it.


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OceanshieldwolPF 2.5 wrote:
I’m also a bit lost on the Threat Technique being a.. thing. Are Threats detailed elsewhere and upgraded/interacted with via feats? They just seem tacked on.

They are basically just your flavor of tank - aggressive "I SAID HIT ME!" style or stolid wall of steel style.


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The general idea, as I get it, is that you Taunt on your turn; then on the opponent's turn, if they attack someone else, you get the bonus until the end of your (next) turn.


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Megistone wrote:
The general idea, as I get it, is that you Taunt on your turn; then on the opponent's turn, if they attack someone else, you get the bonus until the end of your (next) turn.

I think that's the idea too, but then why would it say you get the damage "against creatures affected by your Taunt"? At the start of your turn after the creature has done their hostile action, they are no longer affected by your taunt.

I think it would be clarified if the wording was something like

"Whenever a creature affected by your taunt takes a hostile action that doesn't include you as a target, you deal an additional 2 damage on Strikes against it. This bonus lasts until the end of your next turn."

So you Taunt, Creature takes the relevant action -> Vengeance kicks in. Until the end of your next turn, you deal +X damage to it. Which is, I think, the intent, but the wording is unclear.

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