Is Downer a downer?


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Creepy wrote:
I'm probably in the minority, but I actually resubbed Dungeon because I missed reading Downer. Heh.

Sweet! Tell Erik. Actually, more importantly, tell Keith Strohm! How nice that that was post 100. On the topic of George R R Martin, I'm largely ignorant. But then again, I don't really care. I'm sure he's awesome. Clearly. He sells enough stuff. My point was that it represents a popular wing of fantasy that I am wholly disinterested in. To be honest, I don't read a lot of fiction; less fantasy even. I come from a background in comics and sci-fi. I may have said this in an earlier post, but I think D&D is at its best when it follows the spaghetti-western formula. There's very little high fantasy in the games I'm in. No fealty, and less honor and chivalry. It's all pirates, cowboys and ninijas who happen to carry longswords and bows.


Hey Kyle,

I love Downer. Didn't care for it so much at first, but it totally grew on me. Now it's definitely one of the things I buy the magazine for.

Back when you had a site (ahem) there were a dozen or so Downer strips there. Being able to read them all at once helped a lot.

I *like* your artwork. Like it in it's own right, and also think it's a great fit for the story. Go you.

-- Mind, I wish someday some artist would explain to me WTF about Moebius. He seems like a Velvet Underground kind of figure ("only 500 people bought the first VU album, but 400 of them immediately started bands of their own"). You love him, Mark Crilley loves him, Espinosa loves him... more artists that I like utterly adore him, but I just don't see why. "Hit Man" is a great comic story? WTF?

But anyway: Downer rocks. Notice how many of the comments seem to fall into the category of "waah, Downer is /hard/, I don't /get/ it". Pfah. Now part of this is your part for trying to tell a complicated multipart story in two pages per month. But kudos to you for trying, and anyhow this has gotten much better since Downer went off on a relatively linear quest adventure.

The rest is people who seem to have been weaned on manga, the later Cerebus phone books, and those John Byrne Fantastic Fours where the FF would take an entire issue to get in the Fantasticar and go off and fight the bad guy. You know... /decompressed/.

Downer is more hypercompressed: something happening in every panel, big changes between panels, you have to pay attention and occasionally engage with the material. I enjoy this a lot. Not everyone does... but many of your critics seem to be the same sorts of people who were saying, waah, Grant Morrison is /hard/, I don't understand, I want the old Justice League back!

So, go Downer. (But get the damn website up, please. It's bush to have no website.)

thx,

Waldo

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Kyle's website, trapped in amber like a prehistoric bug, is pretty sweet. It's just taking too long to thaw.

--Erik


Kyle Hunter wrote:
On the topic of George R R Martin, I'm largely ignorant. But then again, I don't really care. I'm sure he's awesome. Clearly. He sells enough stuff. My point was that it represents a popular wing of fantasy that I am wholly disinterested in. To be honest, I don't read a lot of fiction; less fantasy even. I come from a background in comics and sci-fi. I may have said this in an earlier post, but I think D&D is at its best when it follows the spaghetti-western formula. There's very little high fantasy in the games I'm in. No fealty, and less honor and chivalry. It's all pirates, cowboys and ninijas who happen to carry longswords and bows.

A reading from the A Game of Thrones, by George R.R. Martin. . .

*ahem*

"Your silver is ours. Your horses are ours. Your axe and knife and hauberk are ours. You have nothing to give us but your lives. How would you like to die, Tyrion, son of Tywin?"

"In my own bed at the age of eighty, with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my ^%$#."


Waldo wrote:
Not everyone does... but many of your critics seem to be the same sorts of people who were saying, waah, Grant Morrison is /hard/, I don't understand, I want the old Justice League back!

I like Grant Morrison. Kyle is unfortunately limited to two pages a month. If Kyle had 22 like an average comic book, then maybe...

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Chris Wissel - WerePlatypus wrote:
"In my own bed at the age of eighty, with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my ^%$#."

Ok, that's officially on the reading list.

--Erik


In the interest of full disclosure, Kyle won my respect on this thread a while ago with a really great post after one of my own pointing out how I disliked his strip.

The funny thing is . . . its kinda starting to grow on me, especially the last few installments.

But . . Shhh . . . don't tell him I said that.


I'm not interested in the story. I'd be more interested in giving someone else a chance in the space.

Scarab Sages

Eric's editorial and Downer are the first two things I check out when my issue comes. Redcap boot grafts, trippin' on myconids, some Slaad/Modron lovin'... I just wish there could be more!

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