Pathfinder Secrets of Magic

any new variable action or 1 action spells that stand out?

tell us about a new archetype you like!

or a new option for an old class that’s pretty standout

I've answered a lot of questions here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/p6ydy0/i_just_got_my_pdf_for _secrets_of_magic_ama
Will wrap it up, soon ^^ Got some ironing to do...

My order processed! Let the secrets unfold!

Order done! Lets make some Magic!

any new variable action or 1 action spells that stand out?

tell us about a new archetype you like!

or a new option for an old class that’s pretty standout

Variable: Blessing of Defiance is pretty cool. Lvl 5 spell that grants a +4 status bonus to one save, chosen when you cast, for 1 round. 1 action targets you or an ally within 30ft. 3 actions targets you and all allies within 30 ft.

2 action targets you or one ally within range, but also adds an extra benefit. If you pick Fort, you get poison resistance, Reflex gives a speed boost, and Will gains mental resistance.

1 Action: As someone who loves companions (be it summons, pets, or eidolons) I like Protect Companion. It's a 1 action cantrip on all 4 lists that target your eidolon or minion. For that turn, it gets +1 AC and gives you the Life Block Reaciton. You can use that reaction when your companion takes damage. You can reduce the damage by 10, but you lose 5. It heightens every 2 spell levels to reduce by an extra 10, and costing you an extra 5, but you can pick how much you lose and thus how much you prevent

Reading through the PDF now. I'm not too far in. I just learned why you get tentacles.

(It Makes Sense In Context)

Question for the lore in the book, I believe I recall a spoiler about in-setting essays about what magic is in the Age of Lost Omens. Could someone share some of the in-setting authors/titles of these essays?

Question for the lore in the book, I believe I recall a spoiler about in-setting essays about what magic is in the Age of Lost Omens. Could someone share some of the in-setting authors/titles of these essays?

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

He is a librarian who has shown up in some PF1 Campaign Setting books. Specifically, ones purporting to be excerpts from The Book of the Damned. :)

He holds the title Curator of Apocrypha at the Forae Logos, the largest library in Absalom.

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

The book describes Djavin as "a foremost curator in my discipline: Djavin Vhrest of the Forae Logos".

The Lords of Chaos Campaign Setting back in 1e mentioned Djavin as "A librarian and researcher who holds the title of Curator of Apocrypha at the Forae Logos, the largest library in Absalom"

keftiu wrote:

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

He is a librarian who has shown up in some PF1 Campaign Setting books. Specifically, ones purporting to be excerpts from The Book of the Damned. :)

I got ninja'd hard

Feros wrote:

keftiu wrote:

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

He is a librarian who has shown up in some PF1 Campaign Setting books. Specifically, ones purporting to be excerpts from The Book of the Damned. :)

I got ninja'd hard

Happens to the best of us! :)

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

He's a librarian at the Forae Logos, Absalom's largest library. His letters appear as forewords to some 1E books (Artifacts & Legends, Occult Mysteries, etc.)

ETA: Also ninja'd. Oh well. I was going to edit this anyway, because I think you will love the Occult writeup. I went into this book not understanding why bards were the choice for occult caster (they are so different from other occult classes like psychic or occultist), but I get it now.

Paradozen wrote:

Question for the lore in the book, I believe I recall a spoiler about in-setting essays about what magic is in the Age of Lost Omens. Could someone share some of the in-setting authors/titles of these essays?

** spoiler omitted **

I went into this book not understanding why bards were the choice for occult caster (they are so different from other occult classes like psychic or occultist), but I get it now.

Big Thanks to both of you for these, that looks super interesting!

My favorite in setting article is "A Little Chat about Runes" by Queen Sorshen of New Thassilon. The former Runelord goes into some detail about Thassilonian magic...and explains something about how she fell so low. Amazing writing!

I feel like I'm becoming a runelord... of envy!!!

I'll see myself out now.

keftiu wrote:

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

He's a librarian at the Forae Logos, Absalom's largest library. His letters appear as forewords to some 1E books (Artifacts & Legends, Occult Mysteries, etc.)

ETA: Also ninja'd. Oh well. I was going to edit this anyway, because I think you will love the Occult writeup. I went into this book not understanding why bards were the choice for occult caster (they are so different from other occult classes like psychic or occultist), but I get it now.

Any particular highlights? I won’t have the book for a bit.

I know how I can get a flying mount for a Cavalier concept now! Thanks Summoner :D

Evan Tarlton wrote:

keftiu wrote:

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

He's a librarian at the Forae Logos, Absalom's largest library. His letters appear as forewords to some 1E books (Artifacts & Legends, Occult Mysteries, etc.)

ETA: Also ninja'd. Oh well. I was going to edit this anyway, because I think you will love the Occult writeup. I went into this book not understanding why bards were the choice for occult caster (they are so different from other occult classes like psychic or occultist), but I get it now.

Any particular highlights? I won’t have the book for a bit.

Fair enough. Let's see...

But read the whole thing when you can. It is incredibly well written.

As a general ratio, how much of the book is mechanics and how much of it is lore? Curious as I don't use the Lost Omens setting.

Maybe 3/10 for things that are pure flavor? It's very mechanics packed.

Curiously, the Summoner Multiclass mentions Devil Eidolons, which aren’t in this book.

Whoever wrote the Stoked Flame Stance feat chain deserves a raise. I didn’t think Monks could get cooler.

keftiu wrote:

Evan Tarlton wrote:

keftiu wrote:

Who is Djavin? Should we recognize that name?

Occult info is one of my sneaky most-wanted parts of this book.

He's a librarian at the Forae Logos, Absalom's largest library. His letters appear as forewords to some 1E books (Artifacts & Legends, Occult Mysteries, etc.)

ETA: Also ninja'd. Oh well. I was going to edit this anyway, because I think you will love the Occult writeup. I went into this book not understanding why bards were the choice for occult caster (they are so different from other occult classes like psychic or occultist), but I get it now.

Any particular highlights? I won’t have the book for a bit.

Fair enough. Let's see...

** spoiler omitted **

But read the whole thing when you can. It is incredibly well written.

John Compton wrote this. It is on the second part of the SoM's authors blogpost.

How many new ray spells are there?

What archetypes exist outside of Runelord and Soulforger?

Scorching ray, chromatic ray.

Bounded spellcaster, magus, summoner, cathartic mage, elementalist, flexible spellcaster, geomancer, shadowcaster, soulforger, runelord, wellspring mage.

any new variable action or 1 action spells that stand out?

Horizon thunder sphere, level 1 arcane/primal. Ranged spell attack for electricity damage plus dazzled for crit. Two actions range 30', three actions range 60' plus 1/2 damage on failure and can spend three more actions next round to empower the spell further (attack again and then it explodes 10' radius, plus caster sparks with electricity damaging melee attackers).

Will the summoner class archtype give an eidolon at 2nd level (like the Witch class archetype gives a familiar to 2nd level)?

Will the summoner class archtype give an eidolon at 2nd level (like the Witch class archetype gives a familiar to 2nd level)?

Yes, the Dedication feat (2nd level) gives you an eidolon, as well as the Manifest activity. You can't use Tandem actions, and only one of you can do Exploration activities at a time. It's also a weaker eidolon compared to the Summoners eidolon (Getting a 16 in any state that would normally be an 18, but getting back to 18 at 5th level.

Curiously, the Summoner Multiclass mentions Devil Eidolons, which aren’t in this book.

By any chance, does the book mention more generic fiend eidolons?

If i had a couple of questions on how a specific relic aspect and a spell work, is there a place i can ask them? Should i wait for the official release date? I'm sorry if there are "well known" rules for rules question before the book gets out, but it's my first time subscribing (and using the forum in general)

I don't want to push too much, but the biggest thing I am curious about is accuracy. I know a lot of people were saying that the lack of like a +1 rune was hurting casters, did the book add anything to make casters hit more accurately?

In a way - Shadow signet is a level 10 ring that, as a free action metamagic, allows a spell that targets AC to target either fortitude or reflex DC.

I don't want to push too much, but the biggest thing I am curious about is accuracy. I know a lot of people were saying that the lack of like a +1 rune was hurting casters, did the book add anything to make casters hit more accurately?

I'm still waiting on my order to process, but one of my players got theirs so we've been looking at it together. While there is still a lot I haven't read yet, I took a cursory look at the item pages and feats and don't see anything for helping with spell attack accuracy.

Unless you're a Magus, they won't have any trouble with their spell attacks that they use for Spellstrike.

Odd question - is the spine of this book and the Pocket Edition red or black? The pictures are different on different parts of the site. This page shows a red spine, but the 'Second Edition Rulebooks' page shows a black spine (which, IMO, looks cooler).

I don't want to push too much, but the biggest thing I am curious about is accuracy. I know a lot of people were saying that the lack of like a +1 rune was hurting casters, did the book add anything to make casters hit more accurately?

They don't and there have been a lot of designer comments on how they believe that if they did it, they would do it in the core rule book because it would change all the math.

Thank you to all you wonderful users for providing info from SoM to all that do not yet have access (like me).

Any chance we know when the Iconic character sheets are going to update? I'm interested to see how the start out.

Any chance we know when the Iconic character sheets are going to update? I'm interested to see how the start out.

I don't save a timeline for that. I'm sure Mark Moreland and the Org Play team have it on their radar.

for those who remember the playtest,
Did paizo change anything or clarifications about summoner-eidolon condition sharing?

for those who remember the playtest,

Did paizo change anything or clarifications about summoner-eidolon condition sharing?

There are some rules on what conditions effect only one of you and what effects both. Its pretty logical for most things. Spent 3-4 hours last night going over scenarios with a friend on action economy and summoner looks solid.

Two actions range 30', three actions range 60' plus 1/2 damage on failure and can spend three more actions next round to empower the spell further (attack again and then it explodes 10' radius, plus caster sparks with electricity damaging melee attackers).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but I don't read it as casting the spell and then spending 3 actions the following round and attacking again. The two round version says you use 3 actions, avoid finishing the spell, and spend 3 actions the following round. I read it as the spell doesn't happen and you don't roll an attack until the second round.

I must be missing something - why do some people have the PDF but I can’t order it?

I must be missing something - why do some people have the PDF but I can’t order it?

Subscribers get access to the PDF when their shipment is sent from the warehouse. Sometimes this is before the streetdate of the product.

I must be missing something - why do some people have the PDF but I can’t order it?

Subscribers get their PDFs when their hard copies ship. I was lucky enough to peek at a friend’s.

for those who remember the playtest,

Did paizo change anything or clarifications about summoner-eidolon condition sharing?

Yes, they have a bigger section clarifying things that tripped people up in the playtest. The one that stood out to me was clarification on Confusion.

CrimsonKnight wrote:

for those who remember the playtest,

Did paizo change anything or clarifications about summoner-eidolon condition sharing?

Yes, they have a bigger section clarifying things that tripped people up in the playtest. The one that stood out to me was clarification on Confusion.

If your Eidolon is confused you can choose to not give it any actions at all and so it would just stand there. If the Summoner is confused then you will use all of your actions as the Summoner and not give any to the Eidolon. Basically the justification is that even though you are partners, the Eidolon relies on the Summoner to exist in the world.

Ah - that makes sense. Thank you!

Fumarole wrote:

Two actions range 30', three actions range 60' plus 1/2 damage on failure and can spend three more actions next round to empower the spell further (attack again and then it explodes 10' radius, plus caster sparks with electricity damaging melee attackers).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but I don't read it as casting the spell and then spending 3 actions the following round and attacking again. The two round version says you use 3 actions, avoid finishing the spell, and spend 3 actions the following round. I read it as the spell doesn't happen and you don't roll an attack until the second round.

After rereading the spell I think you may be right.

I was right, this is my new favorite book.

The wait for my email is killing me T.T