Arcane and Divine Scrolls


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RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

I was pleased to see that the Alpha PDF makes no distinction between Arcane and Divine Scrolls. That's good. No one ever paid attention to it anyway, particularly in published adventures (when was the last time you saw an adventure that told you if a scroll of Dispel Magic was Arcane or Divine?)

I liked the flavor of divine and arcane writings being mutually illegible, but by that logic a Druid and Cleric wouldn't write the same way either. And the mechanical headache just wasn't worth it.

So if the Alpha fixed a problem, what am I asking about?

Well, I'd like it made more clear that the old rule is dead, since a non-mention might be interpreted as not changed.


Makes one wonder what the Archivist will make of it.

-S

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

Selgard wrote:

Makes one wonder what the Archivist will make of it.

-S

The Archivist?


The Archivist is a splatbook class that has access to the Divine spell list, but must put them into a spell book.

It also has the ability to learn any "divine scroll", regardless of what other class the spell may be on.

It's generally regarded as one of the top 5 powerful classes because nearly every arcane spell can be found in some form or fashion on a divine class spell list.

With the removal of the arcane/divine scroll distinction it will be interesting to see how folks alter the Archivist.
(being non-OGL, Paizo can't touch it.. but that doesn't mean forum-go'ers can't).

-S


Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Sounds like a simple fix to me, just state that the Archivist can learn spells on scrolls that are Divine spells (on the Cleric, Druid, Paladin, or Ranger spell list).

Scarab Sages

Ross Byers wrote:

I was pleased to see that the Alpha PDF makes no distinction between Arcane and Divine Scrolls. That's good. No one ever paid attention to it anyway, particularly in published adventures (when was the last time you saw an adventure that told you if a scroll of Dispel Magic was Arcane or Divine?)

I liked the flavor of divine and arcane writings being mutually illegible, but by that logic a Druid and Cleric wouldn't write the same way either. And the mechanical headache just wasn't worth it.

So if the Alpha fixed a problem, what am I asking about?

Well, I'd like it made more clear that the old rule is dead, since a non-mention might be interpreted as not changed.

The SRD includes the difference between arcane and divine scrolls.

So if we want to get rid of this difference, this MUST be specified in the new rules...

Scarab Sages

NEW RULE SUGGESTED FOR Use Magic Device using Scrolls

Instead of a DC20 + caster level, I suggest

DC10 + spell level + caster level

This skill will be then more attractive for low levels PCs and will make rogues and bards a bit more useful...

Think an DC12 is fine for your rogue activating a CL1 CLW spell (healing 1d8 + 1 hit points).

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