Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 6 (PFRPG)

Back on topic, am I the only one who suspects that the kaiju Lord Varklops (The Three Head Fiend of the Dormant Volcano) is a three-headed dragon-like creature in homage to King Ghidorah?

Back on topic, am I the only one who suspects that the kaiju Lord Varklops (The Three Head Fiend of the Dormant Volcano) is a three-headed dragon-like creature in homage to King Ghidorah?

Makes sense :3

It would cool to see more types of dragons from the first world other then linnorms. Maybe even a more powerful version of a faerie dragon. Maybe a dragon with natural invisibility, more powerful shapeshifting, polymorphing breath weapon, or creatures killed by it becomes normal plants, etc..

How about a headless dragon.

Undead or Blemmyes-like? Removable or nonexistent?

Dragon78 wrote:

Other then the new true dragons, the two-headed one, and the possibility of new linnorms and/or drakes, I wonder what other kinds of dragons we will see.

Three-Headed ones?

Three headed Linnorms! ;)

It would be cool to see dragons with feathered wings, feathers or fur/hair instead of scales, leafy growths, pebble or wood like skin, suction cup feet, hooved feet, extra eyes, extra limbs, unicorn horn, etc..

I would also like to see stranger body shapes for dragons like a weasel, frog/toad, fish, eel, tortoise, alligator/crocodile, primate, armadillo, newt/salamander, equine, etc..

Also a dragon with a web based breath weapon and other web based abilities would be interesting.

Much like we have different types of angels and archons, I'd like to see different types of couatls.

Ambroisa,

We had one new one a while back. I think it was in Hell's Vengeance.

Also a dragon with a web based breath weapon and other web based abilities would be interesting.

Ooh, a half-dragon Aranea/Jorogumo or Phase Spider-Dragon critter could be fun, with a tweaked ability to breathe webbing, a poison bite, etc. If Phase Spider, the webbing could even be ethereal, as well as material, affecting incorporeal creatures...

We had one new one a while back. I think it was in Hell's Vengeance.

This is correct. In addition, its flavor text referred to even more types of (yet-unstatted) couatls. ^_^

So maybe this one Kal?

I don't understand the Naiad Playable Race, doesn't that make the Undine kinda useless?

man! is not undine already useless?

It would be cool to see dragons with feathered wings, feathers or fur/hair instead of scales, leafy growths, pebble or wood like skin, suction cup feet, hooved feet, extra eyes, extra limbs, unicorn horn, etc..

I would also like to see stranger body shapes for dragons like a weasel, frog/toad, fish, eel, tortoise, alligator/crocodile, primate, armadillo, newt/salamander, equine, etc..

Also a dragon with a web based breath weapon and other web based abilities would be interesting.

With those, we could make parodies of a lot of things, like Fairy Tail...

What were the different types of Couatl mentioned?

I would love to see dragons with 4 or more heads though such creatures should be able to fly without magic.

The xiuh couatl appeared in Pathfinder Adventure Path #106: For Queen And Empire. In its entry, the Bestiary couatl was clarified to be the quetz couatl, while the (as-yet-unknown) auwaz couatl was briefly mentioned. ^_^

Elemental and/or Environmental themed Templates could be nice, might help avoid needing to write 20+ variants of the same monster.

Very true. Air, Earth, Fire and Water templates, at the minimum, if not also Metal, Wood and Void (to cover the 'eastern' elements), would allow us to strap those templates onto summoned creatures, or onto critters from other planes.

Nutcase Entertainment wrote:

Elemental and/or Environmental themed Templates could be nice, might help avoid needing to write 20+ variants of the same monster.

Very true. Air, Earth, Fire and Water templates, at the minimum, if not also Metal, Wood and Void (to cover the 'eastern' elements), would allow us to strap those templates onto summoned creatures, or onto critters from other planes.

There are actually templates like that from the Monster Summoner's Handbook, which contains the Aerial Creature (Elemental Plane of Air), Aqueous Creature (Elemental Plane of Water), Chthonic Creature (Elemental Plane of Earth), Dark Creature (Plane of Shadow), Fiery Creature (Elemental Plane of Fire), and Primordial Creature (First World) simple templates, though I certainly think it would be useful if they (along with the Counterpoised Creature template from Champions of Balance) would get republished in a Bestiary.

There are actually templates like that from the Monster Summoner's Handbook, which contains the Aerial Creature (Elemental Plane of Air), Aqueous Creature (Elemental Plane of Water), Chthonic Creature (Elemental Plane of Earth), Dark Creature (Plane of Shadow), Fiery Creature (Elemental Plane of Fire), and Primordial Creature (First World) simple templates, though I certainly think it would be useful if they (along with the Counterpoised Creature template from Champions of Balance) would get republished in a Bestiary.

Ooh, good find! I didn't remember those at all. Thanks!

Luthorne wrote:

There are actually templates like that from the Monster Summoner's Handbook, which contains the Aerial Creature (Elemental Plane of Air), Aqueous Creature (Elemental Plane of Water), Chthonic Creature (Elemental Plane of Earth), Dark Creature (Plane of Shadow), Fiery Creature (Elemental Plane of Fire), and Primordial Creature (First World) simple templates, though I certainly think it would be useful if they (along with the Counterpoised Creature template from Champions of Balance) would get republished in a Bestiary.

Ooh, good find! I didn't remember those at all. Thanks!

No worries! I think they're all quite handy, which is one reason I think they deserve to see the light more often in a Bestiary.

A Couatl based familiar would be cool as well.

Auwaz couatl, in my head, is like some kind of arch coualt. But I could be wrong, Kal.

I am all for coutals and couatl accessories.

Most outsider groups are somewhat monolithic in nature (all kytons and devils are LE, all archons are LG, etc.), with the exception of angels, who can be LG, NG or CG, so it might be neat if couatls have a larger range as well, either being all three good alignments, or perhaps even good, neutral or evil alignments, depending on what role they serve (with the gods or agendas that they serve following all different alignments).

If there's an inclination towards basing new couatl types off of real-world mythology, the uktena/horned serpent might be an interesting sub-species of couatl (much larger, but still having an animal/serpent hybrid theme going on).

When it comes to outsiders with diverse alignments, can't forget the kami, which are also native outsiders like the couatls. You've got the NG Dosojin and Toshigami, the LN Dunagh, Fukujin, and Shikigami, The N Jinushigami, Kodama, and Suijin, the CN Kaminari, and the LG Zuishin. Quite an array for an outsider group!

At first I wanted an evil Couatl in Pathfinder, then they gave me Peuchen, which will do nicely, I hope couatl don't get an entire group like Rakshasa, it makes the original creature less special, I'd rather had they kept only the Rakshasa too, it is the only of its group I like as well, the living sword-thing is nice, but not as rakshasa.

I like the idea of the Couatl being an expanded group just like the Rakshasa.

So what other creatures do you think could use more types?

Outsider wise I would like to see more types of Garuda and Peri.

Non-outsider wise I would like to see more types of centaur, medusa, chimera, griffons, sprites, and unicorns come to mind.

Or Ents

I like having many creatures that don't belong to groups. I wouldn't mind some types of centaurs, minotaurs, griffons and unicorns because they are also in mythology, and they look very different from the ones we already have.

I'd like to keep Medusa special, same with the Chimera, I hated gorgimera and all those other cheap excuses, ala lets put a new head on the chimera, for new monsters.

More titans, or hags (and not necessarily based on environments, like swamp hags or ice hags, but with different sorts of themes more related to lore, like the annis hag).

Some genies or elementals or oni related to the eastern elements of metal, wood and void.

Different sorts of sphinxes, perhaps even a smaller familiar-sized sphinx.

For something newish, but fitting into the cosmology of Golarion, perhaps some necrophages, daemonic creatures that feed off of both negative energy and 'soul-stuff,' making them an unrelenting threat to both the living (as they attempt to tear them open to get at the spiritual goodness living within) and undead (feasting on the negative energy that empowers them). Living folk would despite them for devouring souls. Undead folk would despise them for eating *them.* They are especially despised for their ability to 'fish' for the souls of the dead, crouching over corpses and 'spinning' their spindly legs, somehow calling the spirit of the dead back as if in answer to a resurrection spell, but instead snaring and devouring the soul lured back from it's rightful reward (or punishment). Pretty much everyone, from angelic host to infernal tyrant hates that.

The groups I really want to see new creatures for:

Daemons, Div's, Protean (though not the ones from the AP's) and Kyton's (but spare for the ones in bestiary 3, I didn't like any we got)

My favorite group are the Div's and there are many mythology monsters that still want to join that group, most notable Bushyasta, Asdeev and Arzshenk.

All other groups I wouldn't be crying over if we didn't get any new ones though I would like some new sakhils.

I at first wanted new Leshies, but now I only want a true Leshy from Mythology, that functions as a master leshy or whatever.

Sphinxes are another group I really wouldn't like to see new ones for, as they are just sphinxes with another animal head, they function much like elemental/enviroment giants but with different heads... Hieracosphinx is just a griffon-almost. Gynosphinx and Androsphinx would have been enough for me personally, the criosphinx always makes me feel awkward, so silly.

I personally never can have enough of hags, there are still plenty of them in mythology that have interesting features and powers that sets them apart. Mambabarang the insect hag/witch and Utlunta (Spearfinger) are my favorites.

And I would really appriciate it if Ammut and Raiju end up in this bestiary.

I would love elementals, genies, oni, and other creatures related to the elements of metal, wood, and void.

I always like more types of sphinxes, hags, leshy, titans, etc.

I would love to bring back the gorgimera.

I will say that I sort of agree with people here on the adding new members to some underpopulated monster groups such as the asuras, divs, leshys, kami, and oni.

Not sure about sphinxes and hags though. Not a huge fan of hags (can't say that I've ever used one before) and sphinxes seem pretty filled out to me. Also dont quite get the linnorm thing either. I always thought we had a decent amount.

I'm pretty excited for the proteans, fey, and outsider lords myself. Fingers crossed for some new psychopomps and sahkil as well.

Kaiser,

I like linnorms. Sue me. But yes more coualts.

Kaiser,

I like linnorms. Sue me. But yes more coualts.

Wasn't trying to come off as hostile. I am kind of curious as to what kinds you would add if you had the choice. I cant really imagine any others we might need aside from a First World type.

Kaiser,

I'm sorry if that sounded hostile. I just like the idea of more than just 5-6 linnorms. I mean we have like 20-30 different true dragons. I figured Linnorms deserve some of the same.

Maybe besides First World, perhaps elemental planes and/or occult planes.

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Kaiser,

I like linnorms. Sue me. But yes more coualts.

Wasn't trying to come off as hostile. I am kind of curious as to what kinds you would add if you had the choice. I cant really imagine any others we might need aside from a First World type.

Stygian would be cool since it follows the current Linnorm themes, rather than say Infernal, Abyssal, Abaddon Linnorms.

Rysky, something like that.

Removed a personally abusive post and the discussion resulting from it. Folks, again, please keep this thread centered around Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Bestiary 6.

What terrain/concept is left to use for linnorms that can be found in the Linnorm Kingdoms?

What kind that can be found in other places on Golarion but not the Linnorm Kingdoms?

What about ones that are only found on the first world?

So far we have...

Crag(CR14)(cold hills)(B1)
Ice(CR17)(cold hills and mountains)(B1)
Tarn(CR20)(cold lakes and swamps)(B1)
Cairn(CR18)(cold hills)(B3)
Fjord(CR16)(cold mountain coastlines)(B3)
Taiga(CR19)(cold forest)(B3)
Tor(CR21)(cold volcanic mountains)(B3)
Gare(CR15)(cold rivers)(not currently in a hardcover bestiary)

Stygian would be cool since it follows the current Linnorm themes, rather than say Infernal, Abyssal, Abaddon Linnorms.

This takes me back to a previous edition - are you familiar with the Styx dragon? ^_^

I'm all for more variety within groups.