Overrunning and Attacking

If you overrun an opponent (described as a standard action taken "during a charge" somehow), do you get your normal attack against them if you end up on the far side? I want to charge through my opponent's square, land right behind them, and then attack them.

Can I?

What if I have a Pounce-like ability, and can full attack after a charge. Can I Overrun someone and then full attack them?

Overrun is a standard action, taken during a Move action or Charge.
You can only take one standard action during the round, so you could not turn around and take a second standard action to attack them.

There is a feet called charge through. That allows you to over run as a free action as part of a charge. You can not attack the one you over ran. However you could take the full feet chain.
Power Attack, Improved Overrun, Charge Through, Greater Overrun.

The net effect. You charge Overrun the first enemy. If knocked prone you get a aoo. Then you still get your charge attack on the second target.

Overrun is a standard action, taken during a Move action or Charge.

You can only take one standard action during the round, so you could not turn around and take a second standard action to attack them.

I'm confused as to how one takes a standard action during a Charge action. Isn't Charge a full-round action that allows you to make one attack during the action?

If a Pounce ability (let's say the Tiger Stance ability of the Tengu Swordmaster) lets you take a full attack when making a charge... why would taking a "free" standard action "during" your full-round action interfere with an attack that's part of said full-round action?

The wording on this combination is very strange. I agree 100% that you can't take a move action and overrun someone and then attack them. But a Charge action is worded very differently.

(Apologies for the double post, but the edit button is not appearing.)

There is a feet called charge through. That allows you to over run as a free action as part of a charge. You can not attack the one you over ran. However you could take the full feet chain.

Where does it say you cannot attack the one you overrun?

The net effect. You charge Overrun the first enemy. If knocked prone you get a aoo. Then you still get your charge attack on the second target.

What rule says you can't knock them down, AoO them, and then attack them? I see nothing that impedes this tactic.

I assume they are letting you take your Overrun as the attack at the end of the Charge. Otherwise, without Charge Through, you cannot charge through an occupied space.

I assume they are letting you take your Overrun as the attack at the end of the Charge. Otherwise, without Charge Through, you cannot charge through an occupied space.

It doesn't say anything about Overrun replacing an attack roll, about the attack roll in a charge being a standard action (it's not even an attack action, it's just "an attack"), or about not being able to finish your Charge action even if the Overrun attempt fails. It's not even stated that your Charge attack can't be taken if you fail your CMB roll and end up in front of them.

Hence why I'm curious whether there's a ruling I haven't found yet. Since RAW you can charge, fail to overrun, and full attack someone anyway (just from the front). And if you succeed on your overrun, you can full attack them from behind (if, again, there's no ruling I'm unaware of).

You can't Full Attack after a Charge. You only get a single attack, unless you have Pounce.

The Charge rules specify you cannot charge if there is any creature between you and your target, so this contradicts the sentence that says you can overrun as part of a charge.

Actually, I just found a topic where Jason said they were looking into it... since last year.

You can't Full Attack after a Charge. You only get a single attack, unless you have Pounce.

Did you... not read the part where I talked about "if you have Pounce" and how you could get Pounce?

The Charge rules specify you cannot charge if there is any creature between you and your target, so this contradicts the sentence that says you can overrun as part of a charge.

Since Overrun says you can do it during a charge, this overrides the "normal" rule of not being able to charge through the opponent. The charge rules are the normal rules, and Overrun is a specific case that alters that. (Also, technically, there's not an opponent between you and your target. The opponent is your target.)

Actually, I just found a topic where Jason said they were looking into it... since last year.

Welp! Hope they get on that quick...

you could take the full feet chain.

Power Attack, Improved Overrun, Charge Through, Greater Overrun.

I've got that feat train (plus Elephant Stomp and Dragon Style) on a PFS PC, and I recommend staying away from Overrun.

It is subject to significant table variance, so you pretty much won't be at two tables with the same interpretations.

The most significant issues are going to be:
1) How does Overrun interact with Charge?
2) Elephant Stomp doesn't do anything because you choose not to attack and replace the attack with an immediate attack.

I got so much push back and rejection on what I could tell was the general consensus on how it all interacts, that I abandoned the character totally.

Weird! It's confusing to me sometimes how poorly some GMs interpret the rules, especially in a game where they're required to use the RAW.

And yeah, I was going Dragon Style too. Nothing like the rogue charging THROUGH his front-line fighter, AND the baddie, and unleashing natural-weapon-flurry-of-sneak-attack-hell on their unsuspecting backside.

I generally run with the same three PFS GMs though, so I think I will discuss it with them ahead of time if I plan to build this character. Given the information people have provided here and my own research, though, at least I know with certainty the correct interpretation.

Weird! It's confusing to me sometimes how poorly some GMs interpret the rules, especially in a game where they're required to use the RAW.

Mostly because there are often multiple valid versions of RAW, and just because I believe is it clear how a rule works doesn't mean someone else isn't similarly convinced it works differently.

Previous Thread with some Overrun and Charge Through rules

That contains some previous discussion as well as how I read the rules. YMMV.