Permanent Ebon Eyes?! How do they work?

Ebon eyes. Spellblight.

The creature treats:

-darkness as bright light,
-dim light as normal light,
-normal light as dim light, and
-bright light as darkness.

...I've been contemplating making a Bargain with my GM, next time I create a character: One Permanent Spellblight (Dispelling and/or removing does so for, say, 1 round per CL ( Or just 1 round total )) In return for a bonus Trait ( Magical Knack! yummeh! )

Before proposing such an idea, however, I'd love to know if anyone has some insight as to the Specifics of such a spellblight.

Would a pair of sunshades Darken Bright light enough to regard it as Normal Light (or Dim light to the victim), effectively letting a Half-Elf with Low-light vision to see clearly during the day?

Is the Bright Light of darkness color vision?

Nowhere in the the spellblight does it describe how ebon eyes handles Magical darkness- I'd assume such would give the character a "snow blindness" effect instead.

Bumping this once, since someone kindly moved this thread to its proper place. (unsure if this is correct procedure...)

Anyways, to elaborate:

I'm thinking of making this deal with the GM purely out of roleplay purposes. Even if All the above is true, and ebon eyes turns out to be more of a spell-Boon, than a spell-Blight, there are some lovely day-to-day effects to consider...

- The Character only sees Bright Light, when shutting their eyes, and would probably need to train themselves to sleep with their eyes Open
- The Character would be reliant on artificial or magical means to filter or darken light during the Day
- The Character effectively becomes nocturnal due to the above, unless willing to sleep with a Lantern constantly lit, granting a peaceful, "dark" rest
- The Character may be hindered when dealing with a team of Normal Vision PC's, much preferring those with Darkvision or at least Low-Light.
- Etc...

Ebon eyes. Spellblight.

The creature treats:

-darkness as bright light,
-dim light as normal light,
-normal light as dim light, and
-bright light as darkness.

...I've been contemplating making a Bargain with my GM, next time I create a character: One Permanent Spellblight (Dispelling and/or removing does so for, say, 1 round per CL ( Or just 1 round total )) In return for a bonus Trait ( Magical Knack! yummeh! )

Before proposing such an idea, however, I'd love to know if anyone has some insight as to the Specifics of such a spellblight.

Would a pair of sunshades Darken Bright light enough to regard it as Normal Light (or Dim light to the victim), effectively letting a Half-Elf with Low-light vision to see clearly during the day?

No.

Is the Bright Light of darkness color vision?

You see in darkness as a normal person would see in bright light, period. If normal people in your campaign see in color vision in bright light, then so do you.

Nowhere in the the spellblight does it describe how ebon eyes handles Magical darkness- I'd assume such would give the character a "snow blindness" effect instead.

That's because magical darkness is no different from natural darkness in terms of the lighting condition it produces. If it produces darkness, you see in it as bright light. If it creates dim light, you see in it as normal light.

No.

I'd Thoroughly appreciate elaboration.

You see in darkness as a normal person would see in bright light, period. If normal people in your campaign see in color vision in bright light, then so do you.

Alright. That's one simple question answered, And I suppose any changes to that RAW would be to the GM's discretion.

That's because magical darkness is no different from natural darkness in terms of the lighting condition it produces. If it produces darkness, you see in it as bright light. If it creates dim light, you see in it as normal light.

Forgive me, I should be more specific; Certain spells create an effect that Cannot be seen through, Even with Darkvision. Therefore, I was posing the assumption that someone would Ebon Eyes would perceive such effects as, basically, a sheet of White or Snow blindness.

If Jason Nelson is commenting on it, there's a good chance that he wrote it. So his answers aren't 100% legal, but they're the designer's intention.

If that's not the case...

I think you would see just a big white area in that case.

If Jason Nelson is commenting on it, there's a good chance that he wrote it. So his answers aren't 100% legal, but they're the designer's intention.

If that's not the case...

I think you would see just a big white area in that case.

Heh... Forgive a newcomer for not knowing the community ^_^

But, basically speaking, I'm not even sure if there's (within current existence) a tinted glass, a transparent material or scarf, or anything else that can Lower the Brightness level of light entering one's eyes.

I would imagine this is simply because it could probably be exploited by creatures with light sensitivity... Or, it simply never came up and never was needed. Generally speaking, All PCs desire Light unless they're undead or made of slime.

Ebon eyes completely reverses that. And even though it would make "common sense" that a pair of sunshades should help to at least make a bright day seem like a Dimly lit day, instead of total darkness, the closest thing to it is the wondrous item: Glarecutter Goggles, which only provides bonuses to Saving throws against light-based effects.

All other spells are 3rd party or accessory at best, I believe...

Cheapy wrote:

If Jason Nelson is commenting on it, there's a good chance that he wrote it. So his answers aren't 100% legal, but they're the designer's intention.

If that's not the case...

I think you would see just a big white area in that case.

Heh... Forgive a newcomer for not knowing the community ^_^

But, basically speaking, I'm not even sure if there's (within current existence) a tinted glass, a transparent material or scarf, or anything else that can Lower the Brightness level of light entering one's eyes.

I would imagine this is simply because it could probably be exploited by creatures with light sensitivity... Or, it simply never came up and never was needed. Generally speaking, All PCs desire Light unless they're undead or made of slime.

Ebon eyes completely reverses that. And even though it would make "common sense" that a pair of sunshades should help to at least make a bright day seem like a Dimly lit day, instead of total darkness, the closest thing to it is the wondrous item: Glarecutter Goggles, which only provides bonuses to Saving throws against light-based effects.

All other spells are 3rd party or accessory at best, I believe...

As Cheapy intimated, I did write the ebon eyes spellblight, and as he stated my answers are not official RAW - that is dispensed by the OTHER Jason (Bulmahn), Sean Reynolds, or Stephen Radney-Macfarland, so you can take my responses as suggestions about the design intention and use them as you like.

To my recollection, there are no "sunglasses" in Pathfinder or in 3.5 that actually change the lighting condition. The ones I can recall from 3.5 terrain books like Sandstorm and Frostburn, and I believe in the Pathfinder Adventurer's Armory, simply give a bonus to saves against dazzling or blindness from exposure to excessive glare and similar conditions. Since they don't actually change the illumination level, it wouldn't have any effect on the ebon eyes spellblight.

I agree with your assumption that this was done to avoid any abusive shenanigans with light-sensitive creatures trivially negating their handicap.

So, as far as Pathfinder is concerned, the elaborated answer is "No, you can't wear sunglasses (or equivalent) to make it be dim light, because sunglasses like that don't exist."

As far as spells that can't be seen through, even with darkvision, that isn't relevant to someone with this ability. They don't get darkvision. They get a very specific inversion of their normal perceptions. I believe creatures with blindsight can see through magical darkness, as can people using true seeing, unless I'm misremembering (upstairs in the bedroom at the moment, no books), so unless the spell or effect specifically says "it cannot be seen through" or "it is opaque" or something similar, then you should be fine.

If it does say you literally cannot see through it, period, then you're outta luck, but that is more a secondary effect of the spell besides it making things dark. The fact that it blocks darkvision doesn't matter.

As far as sleeping with your eyes open, that's not necessary. Once you close your eyes, your eyes have total cover from what's outside of them, so it doesn't matter whether it's light or dark. You can't see through them because they're opaque, not because they make it dark inside your eye sockets. If you want to argue that they make the space of 0.003 microns (random made-up number) between your eyelid and your eyeball "dark" and so you see the inside of your eyelid like a fiber optic surgical camera... well, be my guest, but personally I think that's silly.

If you want to argue that they make the space of 0.003 microns (random made-up number) between your eyelid and your eyeball "dark" and so you see the inside of your eyelid like a fiber optic surgical camera... well, be my guest, but personally I think that's silly.

I'll be honest, I was imagining something similar; A black, impossibly thin film that develops Directly over the sclera and cornea, or whatever other type of optical sensor a creature possesses. I actually enjoyed the idea as well. And, since Ebon Eyes grants very minor bonuses to certain saving throws, it somehow got in my head that such a film would also be mediocrely protective of the eyes, Not allowing them to dry out as from exposure to mundane air and glare. ( I know, there's no logic behind such an assumption... Merely what I was imagining. ^_^ )

Alright. And, as it turns out, Even the Goggles of Night don't actually Enhance light coming in; They simply grant Darkvision when worn. There is therefore nothing I can argue to Create the desired "sunshades" that I desired, as there is no such item granting the mirrored effect; Modifying incoming light to become Brighter.

I'll have to settle for scrying and spells that grant darkvision, like a Good arcane archer... And outright avoid bright daylight, lest I can't see my own hand waving in front of my face...

Maybe I'll just carry around a bottle of smoke around with me, or something, and attempt to blot out the sun, rendering the Bright day to just a Normally lit one (Partially cloudy, with a chance of "Then we'll fight in the shade!")... Allowing my low-light vision character to see.

Thanks Very much for all responses ^_^