Pathfinder Battles—Heroes & Monsters: Troll

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Pathfinder RPG combat comes to life on your tabletop with Heroes & Monsters, the debut release in the new Pathfinder Battles prepainted miniatures line! Produced in cooperation with Paizo Publishing, Heroes & Monsters presents a fascinating array of 40 beautifully painted miniatures perfect for use with the Pathfinder RPG or any fantasy miniatures game! From the brave Gnome Fighter to the mighty evil lich, Heroes & Monsters offers a wide range of player characters and dungeon denizens that make a perfect start to your Pathfinder Battles collection!

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Way Too Small

2/5

While accurate to the Pathfinder style for a troll, the miniature is just too small. It could almost be a Medium-sized miniature. The paint job is fine though. While I like the style, I would not use simply due to its unimposing presence. There are larger troll miniatures that work much better.


Eh, its not bad

3/5

This mini is just ok if you ask me. The sculpt of the face looks a bit odd to me as well as it being just too small for a troll if you ask me. Not bad, but not great either.




Great skulpt TOO small

3/5

The figure looks great but he looks like an 80lbs weakling standing next to the Ogre. The figure is ugly, disturbing, and grotesque just what you want from a troll he just needs to be about 1" Taller


Almost Perfect . . .

4/5

It really should be 3 and a half stars.

First, this is sculpt-wise, an excellent representation of a Golarion troll. Although it is a little too small, it still qualifies as a large creature, standing 1 3/4" from foot to top of hunched back (I suspect that it would be closer to 2" tall if it was standing upright), that would put it at about 9 and 1/2 feet tall in a crouch, 12' tall if upright. So yeah, he's a little bit shy of the 14' height described in the Bestiary, but he's still way closer to in scale than most of the DDM trolls (which were far too large for their respective descriptions), a minor point and not enough to cost it a full star.

The paint job however . . . is barely adequate for a common mini, and is certainly not up to the standard set for a rare. An undifferentiated brown loincloth and only a 2-tone green for the body (Dark on the back, light grey-green over all) is just not enough, especially on one of the mini's that should have been a showpiece for the set; the Lich, Seelah, and the four Goblins set a high quality bar and the Troll should have been right up there with them. This knocks out the remaining star.

It will still see use in my campaign, lurking under bridges and in dark hollows, places where it's slightly smaller scale is a strength and the color issues I can fix, but it would have been nice not to have to.


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The Exchange

Too small for a large base. should be about 30% bigger. I figure about twice as tall as a medium figure.

Sovereign Court

How is it that here I would have to pay $20+S/H and I can find it for sale on 3 other sites for less that $5??

Scarab Sages

Supply & demand? Those other sites have more inventory of the troll than Paizo? Just speculating.

Sovereign Court

Dream Daemon wrote:
Supply & demand? Those other sites have more inventory of the troll than Paizo? Just speculating.

Really? Why would X allow Y to have more of their product than they have themselves? Why should I buy anything from Paizo then? Every mini(and book) I have cross checked has been lower, sometimes substantially, than what I would pay at Paizo. Goblins for $3 or $.99? Obviously they wouldn't allow it if they weren't making money, but why not just cut out the middle and give people a better price? Beyond me I guess, but I buy were I get the best deal and it isn't at Paizo.

Scarab Sages

Again, I was just speculating. I do not have a clue why, I was just throwing that out.

Sczarni

Yes, sometimes you can get better deals elsewhere. But many of those sources dry up after a year or so after a set is released. Paizo has higher prices, but it also still sells, and has stock 24-36 months after a release.


DonKeebals wrote:
Dream Daemon wrote:
Supply & demand? Those other sites have more inventory of the troll than Paizo? Just speculating.
Really? Why would X allow Y to have more of their product than they have themselves? Why should I buy anything from Paizo then? Every mini(and book) I have cross checked has been lower, sometimes substantially, than what I would pay at Paizo. Goblins for $3 or $.99? Obviously they wouldn't allow it if they weren't making money, but why not just cut out the middle and give people a better price? Beyond me I guess, but I buy were I get the best deal and it isn't at Paizo.

Not necessarily about minis, though it probably applies to them to an extent, but Paizo has said they are not trying to cut the prices on their own products as much as they could. The reason is because they don't want to directly compete with brick and mortar stores. The keep their prices on their own stuff up high enough that the stores can be reasonably competitive.

On other companies products they sometimes have pretty good prices.

As for miniatures, I think they have said they put the price at a level and people buy a lot of it, they raise the price some. If nobody buys something at a price they lower it. They don't really seemed that interested in competing with other companies, but just going by how much their customers are willing to pay for minis.

Grand Lodge

Adventure Path Charter Subscriber
DonKeebals wrote:
Really? Why would X allow Y to have more of their product than they have themselves? Why should I buy anything from Paizo then? Every mini(and book) I have cross checked has been lower, sometimes substantially, than what I would pay at Paizo. Goblins for $3 or $.99? Obviously they wouldn't allow it if they weren't making money, but why not just cut out the middle and give people a better price? Beyond me I guess, but I buy were I get the best deal and it isn't at Paizo.
Vic Wertz, Paizo's Technical Director, answered a very similar question with regard to Paizo books being cheaper on Amazon. Here is the relevant post:
Vic Wertz wrote:

The original question begs an important corollary: If other places can sell our stuff cheaper than we can, why don't we just lower our price so that we're the cheapest?

We pretty much have to sell our own products at MSRP. The occasional sale now and then is fine, as are the perks we provide to subscribers, but if we commonly sold our own products for less than the price that we ask other retailers to charge, retailers would—quite rightly—revolt.

Hope that helps.

-Skeld

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

And the miniatures are not produced by Paizo. They are licensed through Paizo and produced by Wizkids. It is not a Paizo product.

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

Just looked on Ebay and all the goblins I found were 2.25 to 2.50. I did not do an extensive search but it was five auctions. I know there are other places to get minis cheaper but if you find them cheaper there than buy them there.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

DonKeebals wrote:
Dream Daemon wrote:
Supply & demand? Those other sites have more inventory of the troll than Paizo? Just speculating.
Really? Why would X allow Y to have more of their product than they have themselves?

As has been pointed out, Paizo is not the manufacturer here; WizKids is. But there's actually a more important reason here: nobody can just buy Trolls from WizKids, including Paizo. Anybody selling Pathfinder Battles singles gets them the same way: by opening up cases of boosters. And most retailers won't open a new case just because they've run out of one or two minis, so minis will go out of stock now and then, even if that retailer still has cases of inventory.

Sovereign Court

Shem wrote:
Just looked on Ebay and all the goblins I found were 2.25 to 2.50. I did not do an extensive search but it was five auctions. I know there are other places to get minis cheaper but if you find them cheaper there than buy them there.

Already have. For about $113 I purchased over $300 worth of minis. Going by Paizo prices anyhow. Vat a deel!

Sovereign Court

Quote:

The original question begs an important corollary: If other places can sell our stuff cheaper than we can, why don't we just lower our price so that we're the cheapest?

We pretty much have to sell our own products at MSRP. The occasional sale now and then is fine, as are the perks we provide to subscribers, but if we commonly sold our own products for less than the price that we ask other retailers to charge, retailers would—quite rightly—revolt

Hope that helps.

-Skeld

I'm horrible at math so I just don't get the whole idea and maybe I'm just an A-hole, but if I offered products like Paizo, and I could keep all the money myself, I'd tell the retailers to EFF off, lower prices and keep the money for me. Could be it's the area I am in, but I don't see squat from Pathfinder on the shelves of my local retailers anyway.

Oh well, they wouldn't do it if they weren't making money. So as long as they keep making money and I keep getting stuff, I will just smh and look for the best deals. meh

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
DonKeebals wrote:
Quote:

The original question begs an important corollary: If other places can sell our stuff cheaper than we can, why don't we just lower our price so that we're the cheapest?

We pretty much have to sell our own products at MSRP. The occasional sale now and then is fine, as are the perks we provide to subscribers, but if we commonly sold our own products for less than the price that we ask other retailers to charge, retailers would—quite rightly—revolt

Hope that helps.

-Skeld

I'm horrible at math so I just don't get the whole idea and maybe I'm just an A-hole, but if I offered products like Paizo, and I could keep all the money myself, I'd tell the retailers to EFF off, lower prices and keep the money for me. Could be it's the area I am in, but I don't see squat from Pathfinder on the shelves of my local retailers anyway.

Oh well, they wouldn't do it if they weren't making money. So as long as they keep making money and I keep getting stuff, I will just smh and look for the best deals. meh

And then a lot of those retailers would go out of buisness or at least stop stocking Paizo stuff, which would definately loose some of the sales - they wouldn't all transfer across to online sales, and some people would choose not to buy Paizo products in reaction to that tactic. It would also stop a lot of sales to new players who might pick up their first pathfinder book at a retail store, like what they find and either keep purchasing at the game store or come here and pick up the items. Trying to force everything into one channel will generally reduce overall sales, reduce the amount that Paizo is earning and cause a lot of bad blood as well. It's not that you're an A-Hole, it's that the business plan you're considering doesn't actually maximise profit.

As for why people don't find the cheapest available price for something; there can be a variety of reasons - loyalty to a brand (there are regularly threads on here asking which way to make sure Paizo get the biggest cut through a persons purchases), there may be a lack of trust of cheaper places - some might not feel willing to trust a random eBay seller for example, some might buy only from retailers as they don't trust internet sales or don't like stuff going through the mail, with new products people might want to buy direct from the manufacturer so that they get it quicker, some might buy from a store so as to avoid waiting for the product.

Sovereign Court

Well from what I see, those retailers aren't stocking that much to begin with. My loyalty is to me and me only, so price is what gets me to open my wallet. I finally figured out where I was losing my connection though, licencing. I saw what Shem wrote it and I shot right past it. They aren't Paizo's minis. WizKids is basicaly renting the Pathfinder name. I had it stuck in my head that Paizo was having these made by WizKids like you would go to Kinkos to make copies. "Here, I need 50 copies of Half-Orc Barberian #25". Heavy sigh.......

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