There are always weaknesses to be exploited. There's no way for mere mortals, powerful or otherwise, to be completely unassailable.
At 20th level lots of resources and effectively unlimited resources aren't that significantly different.
If I were DM and I really wanted to give them a number i'd say that combined they have the wealth of an additional 20th level character with which to build there fortress. That's 880,000. It puts the desired cap, but it's still a lot.
For out of combat healing? Wands of Infernal Healing. It's easy math, no rolling and all at CL1.
Edit: Although that's just for HP damage. Regeneration has the added bonus of growing back body parts. there are some macabre and interesting things one can do with that depending on the party alignment.
Or you could try my ab-building method. I simply press an empty ice cube tray into my paunch and then sleep on my belly. After several nights, the indelible impression of abs is created. Sure, it's a weird 16 pack, but abs is abs!
Sounds like low level spell casting would be a great diet plan. To hell with spending hours in the gym. I’ll just case detect magic 3X a day to maintain my abs.
Oh, there’s cake?
Make that 5X.
Bulking season FTW!
Edit: as I am not a spellcaster (yet) I don’t have abs, but you get the idea.
Starvation is not actually a good way to build abs. :)
You'd stay skinny, but more like a malnourished skinny kid than like a body builder.
Treat it like cardio. Too much and you look malnourished. To little and you can get fat, using the standard intake/output logic.
So eat a lot, lift weights, and cast detect magic just enough to maintain a slim waist without overdoing it and “eating” your own musculature.
Sounds like low level spell casting would be a great diet plan. To hell with spending hours in the gym. I’ll just case detect magic 3X a day to maintain my abs.
Oh, there’s cake?
Make that 5X.
Bulking season FTW!
Edit: as I am not a spellcaster (yet) I don’t have abs, but you get the idea.
Eaating kale isn’t going to cut it. Emo Duck is right. A Lich is a walking corpse and will garner no nutrients from food.
I think a Lych can eat and benefit from a lychee, however.
Yea. The typo is killing me, but I’m gonna let it slide
Lych and lich are the same more or less i see call them in both way btw isn't the main plot.
Seems like my player are stone's. Lich are living creatures that not decay cause they are magic (That's the main argue atm, pretty sad).
One of the player found an npc that looks like human in a campaign so now for him lich aren't different from a normal human and they decay jsut cause the want it.
I wonder why i never ear about this kind of lich and i saw just death skeletal corpes...
I like realism in game (obv in the measure that a fantastic word allow it) and i'm getting serius problem to convince them that a lich can't be just like an human (still eat, still feel cause... it is magic).
I would like to find a rule that convince them about it but i'm not getting luck on this.
How the f*+@ a lich should be alive?
A lich with 1k age that just eating and washing himself don't decay cause is magic.
Do you have other argues for them? <3
“Lych” isn’t a word, but I’m not going to argue the point, because you’re right. That’s not the point of the thread.
Undead, including Liches, have no biological processes. Hence the lack of constitution scores. However, don’t take my word for it. Check out the last sentence of the undead type. “Undead do not breathe, eat, or sleep.”
undead type:
Undead are once-living creatures animated by spiritual or supernatural forces. An undead creature has the following features.
d8 Hit Die.
Base attack bonus equal to 3/4 total Hit Dice (medium progression).
Good Will saves.
Skill points equal to 4 + Int modifier (minimum 1) per Hit Die. Many undead, however, are mindless and gain no skill points or feats. The following are class skills for undead: Climb , Disguise , Fly , Intimidate , Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (religion), Perception , Sense Motive , Spellcraft , and Stealth .
Traits: An undead creature possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature's entry).
No Constitution score. Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution (such as when calculating a breath weapon's DC).
Darkvision 60 feet.
Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, morale effects, patterns, and phantasms).
Immunity to bleed, death effects, disease, paralysis, poison, sleep effects, and stunning.
Not subject to nonlethal damage, ability drain , or energy drain. Immune to damage to its physical ability scores (Constitution, Dexterity, and Strength), as well as to exhaustion and fatigue effects.
Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature's Intelligence score.
Immunity to any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless).
Not at risk of death from massive damage, but is immediately destroyed when reduced to 0 hit points.
Not affected by raise dead and reincarnate spells or abilities. Resurrection and true resurrection can affect undead creatures. These spells turn undead creatures back into the living creatures they were before becoming undead.
Proficient with its natural weapons, all simple weapons, and any weapons mentioned in its entry.
Proficient with whatever type of armor (light, medium, or heavy) it is described as wearing, as well as all lighter types. Undead not indicated as wearing armor are not proficient with armor. Undead are proficient with shields if they are proficient with any form of armor.
Undead do not breathe, eat, or sleep.
Eaating kale isn’t going to cut it. Emo Duck is right. A Lich is a walking corpse and will garner no nutrients from food.
However, he’s a spellcasters and can take other steps. The easiest probably being the daily casting of gentle repose on themselves, though that only stops the decay process. It doesn’t stop the problem with negative energy hands, unnatural aura, etc.
May want to make a custom item that casts Semblance of Life. Look it up on the PFSRD.
Most of that can be accomplished with prestigitation. Enough people have access to 0 level magic that there are probably also “devices” to take care of certain biological things. Now it’s availability and affordability are different matters.
Laws of the night Tremere who went by “Drakus.” Not his real name. Nexus child backstory who concentrated on being a combat monster with blood magic. Wore the same purple shirt for three years.
I mean, it's just like, vegans are better people...
I must interject here that Faustia is giving her opinion about Vegans being better people. It is not a provable fact. The same goes for Vegetarians, Piscateians, and Fruitarians. If she can provide evidence proving her claim, I'd like to see it.
It’s a joke from a movie. Something something saved the word I think
Your druid is protecting the Stolen Lands from a First World incursion of some sort; perhaps he/she is containing wild primal magic, or creatures dedicated to Oleran the Cancer. The PCs find the druid engaged in a powerful ritual that's almost a battle with the First World. Varius, half-mad, tries to engage the druid (let's say it's an elf druidess, because why not?). When it's all said and done, the incursion is halted, the druidess is dead from fighting it (and possibly Varius), but the primal magics of the battlefield soak into the ground, the water, the air...and the PCs, who hopefully helped fend off the fey. Varius gets no such boon, having taken an active role against the druid and having not defended against the incursion. Your PCs have seen now that their mentor's a bit off his nut, this powerful defender of the realm is no more, and they've survived an actual incursion of the First World. A place where the rules of the Material were tested, tried, discarded, misplaced...a mythic place. Their powers manifest and Varius cracks as he sees his proteges have gained the power he sought. He's convinced that they took it from him, like his tower, out of spite. They're now no longer allies, quite possibly enemies. Powerful enemies, to be sure. With this one avenue to power now gone, he seeks another...undeath. (Though heck, demonic transformation could work too, who knows?).
As we seem to be moving into moral dilemma good/evil access discussions I'll say this.
No matter how much power you have you'll still be limited. Far less limited than we magic-less human meat-sacks, but you'll still have limitations. Even the stat-less Pathfinder Gods have their limitations. Personally, I see this as a good thing.
For perspective I was an EMT. I have literally watched people (plural) die. I say this not to be melodramatic, but to try to impart that I know a little bit about doing everything right and still being powerless. Sometimes how good/smart/brilliant/prepared you are it amounts to very little. Sometimes things happen and there's nothing anyone could have done. Being able to literally move mountains may or may not be able to solve a particular situation. Acknowledging this on an intrinsic level is shockingly cathartic.
Acknowledging this my spell selection would be selfish immortality venues and other freedom-enhancing/life enjoyment spells. Teleportation, magnificent mansion, etc.
That being said, if I had the right spells to help prevent a catastrophe I would do my best to help. I'd be the first one on the front lines of disaster doing as much as I could to save lives. However, if I didn't see a catastrophe, didn't know to help, or was simply too late I wouldn't beat myself up about it. Despite our newfound power we're still only human, or close enough.
I imagine this perspective would increase as the immortal years went by.
The better your team mates are equipped the better chance a player has to survive. If everyone keeps this in mind things are typically fine. The “you need this more than me” philosophy
Lazy halfling master summoner. Uses his summon monster SLA to do as little actual work as possible. Considering taking extra Summons (or whatever the name is that gives you more SM SLAs per day) for every single feat.
The death gate cycle. It’s what got me reading fantasy at all
*hugs*
Read that as a youngster although it wasnt my first. It was one of the first fantasy novels that had black people in it that I encountered, though, and it was also the first that implied it was(or one of the worlds was, or perhaps the patryn or sartan were originally from) earth post mysterious, unexplained cataclysm. Loved that series despite its flaws.
It's spoken of in whispers, a relic so ancient and so powerful that most discussion regarding it is hushed. There is nothing more terrifying than imagining the sheer power of The Good Bra than the idea that it might not be real at all.
The Good Bra fits it's wearer like a glove, and will change their chest to the size they desire, functioning even as a binder for those who need one.
The Good Bra will never cut into you, it will never hurt your back, and when you run it will never hurt as long as you are wearing The Good Bra.
The Good Bra also functions as a Bra of Holding, because we all know the fabled Pants With Pockets are cursed and should never be worn.
Lies! The Pants With Pockets is a holy item that must be treasured! While the Good Bra is a very close second.
The bra is worth 100% of what the pants are, but for some reason people wills generally only pay about 70%.
This cut off magic elf hand can walk around. The player can control this hand thing with a ring. The hand can talk to the player with the mind. The hand has free will. The hand has lots of gold tucked away.
HP: 100,000,000
AC: 10
Size: Tiny
DR: All damage has no effect
This spell is best in a wand. It’s an out of combat spell anyway. 2minutes and two charges is a much better investment than a spell slot, fear, trait, and one minute.
It’s just like alcoholism or drug addiction but with a different outlet. If you’re really curious read the book “Out of the Shadows” by Dr Patrick Carnes. He’s the leading expert in the field. Also who I worked for, indirectly.
Same neighborhood as the other incident, this was my first weekend there rather than my last.
The neighbors (different ones) are yelling. Walk over. There's a guy wrestling a guy and a girl wrestling a girl screaming at each other on the ground. I don't know who's who and i really can't bend over so, i'm standing around looking stupid and ignoring the person on the porch telling me to make them stop until they break up.
Once they break up and one group starts walking off i can stand in between them. The actual home owner starts yelling at me to make them leave so i start sahuffling forward slowly and they start to move off. Then some more words are said and they come back.
The guy I'm apparently playing meat shield for takes out a tazer and starts waving it drunkenly around (what, this sort of things happens without alchohol?) gets kind of close. A little more yelling, a little more screaming and the other couple move off.
I head back upstairs, sit down at my computer. Sniff. Sniff. Why do i smell bacon?
Go to the bathroom, look in the mirror, burn mark on the back of the shirt. Dammit....
Have we moved from animal stories or just generally messed up stories?
I’m no particular order I’ve been a/an:
Military brat (was in Germany when the wall came down)
EMT in a pissant country college town
Army medic
Intelligence analyst
Sex addiction counselfor associate (a mostly clerical role)
Young gay city mouse boy forced to live in the countryside
I’ve got stories. Just didn’t want to get off topic.
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I’m not a Druid per-se, but I’ve got a few ranks in animal empathy.
Had a lab growing up named Louie. I swear that dog could understand English. You could just talk to him and he’d do stuff. “Go get mom.”* goes to get my mom “What do you want?” *walks to Door/food/ball/etc. “Go to the car.” *goes to the car
louie and I both lived in Germany for 6 years and though my German is terrible he seemed to be following instructions on German as well as English.
I was in Cairnes (sp?) Australia recently. Walking down the street totally nonchalantly. There were swarms of bird sized black flying things everywhere. Initially I just thought they were birds and thought nothing of it. Thy sounded funny, but not so much that I was immediately suspicious. Maybe Australian birds sound different. Who knows. Then I got close to a tree and took a good look. All those many many many black dots in the trees and skies were not birds. They were bats. Not regular bats either. A giant (the biggest I think) species known as flying foxes. I’m a tall guy and their wingspan was probably half my height. My friends and I just stood in awe for probably ten minutes.
Dogs are my favorite. They seem to sense that I’m pro-dog. I tend to know my neighbors dogs names long before I learn their humans names. Sadly, I cannot have one at this point in my life. I travel for work and my husband isn’t interested in having his own dog. I don’t get one because it wouldn’t be fair to the dog. I will, however, play with all of my friends/neighbors/random strangers dogs at every opportunity.
Magic missile to detect images (it ONLY strikes the real Wizard!).
Though technically correct it doesn’t identify the wizard for follow up attacks. The images continue to move through and around. Basically you do the damage, but there is no other mechanical effect.
If a bag of holding is overloaded, or if sharp objects pierce it (from inside or outside), the bag immediately ruptures and is ruined, and all contents are lost forever.
Hands up how many people have thrown a bunch of swords, daggers, knives into a bag of Holding for later re-sale without consequence?
I suspect our friend Agent Turner is starting to realize he is not the good guy he thought, and his bosses, well...looks like we are learning that you can commit the worst crimes with the best of intentions, or the worst crimes with the absolute worst of intentions (evil sentinel Doc and the "special secure prison for mutant terrorists")
I wonder if the Doc himself is some sort of mutant. Perhaps mind control or something which he's passing off as science mind control.
If I was the GM I'd create a specific spell for this, otherwise you'd have to explain where the forked metal rod attuned to the alternate reality came from.
Tiny Hut specifically lets creatures pass through it, though. So I'd say an incorporeal creature can waltz through it just fine.
However, Tiny Hut also does this:
Tiny Hut wrote:
Although the force field is opaque from the outside, it is transparent from within. Missiles, weapons, and most spell effects can pass through the hut without affecting it, although the occupants cannot be seen from outside the hut (they have total concealment).
If your party has a bunch of ranged characters, that's brutal - everything outside the bubble is flat-footed to you, and see invisibility or true seeing doesn't bypass it.
Which can be amazing if you have a rogue or slayer with sniper goggles...
