Excited for this book, since I am currently running a conversion to 2e of Tyrant's Grasp and we could play this right after. Bloodlords book 6 spoiler: So it is not canon that in Bloodlords the players get Seldeg's armor for the ritual since he seems to be "alive" for this adventure?
You're right. But the older class archetypes - and yes, Paizo uses that exact term, I'm looking at it on p56 of RoE right now - use the same 'Dedication feat at L2' mechanic. So like it or not, this is a use of a current term to refer to a new mechanic.Cool mechanics. Guess I have to stop referring to e.g. Alchemist, Rogue, Sorcerer etc. archetypes as 'class archetypes,' otherwise this is going to get confusing.Those archetypes have always been referred to as "multiclass archetypes" since the game came out. So that lexicon is right there for you to use. Class archetypes are not new, they first showed up in Secrets of Magics.
1st of all, you are not categorizing deities in PF1 correctly. I was just quoting the requirements listed in Planar Adventures to make a point that the easiest way to know the category of a god, the amount of domains it gave, is gone in 2e. 2nd, because you misrepresented how many domains deities gave you missed how much more detailed PF1 domains are. In 2e there are also something equivalent to subdomains, the Alternate Domains, some gods don't have them, but they do exist. Arshea has: confidence, freedom, passion, perfection, change, family, and protection between domains and alternate domains. That they changed how they give domains to have more space with how they do things is okay and I didn't mind to say or argument that one is better than the other, what I wanted to say is this had an impact in making clear what category each god is in. But I don't think that every deity needs to tell you whether they are a full deity or a demigod unless the difference is not obvious as is the case with deities having the same number of domains. The point is that for a new deity that we only now we know about in 2e, for example Lubaiko or Yelayne we don't have any way to know what category they fit in because the text always calls everything "god", not making distinction between deities and demigods.
Right now it is difficult to know if a given god is a Deity, Demigod or Quasi Deity (sometimes called Lesser Deity in some 2e books). One aspect of the lore I love is the cosmology of Golarion, back in 1e you could instantly know if a God was either of the three by the amount of domains they gave to the followers (5 for Deity, 4 for Demigod and 1-4 for Quasi Deity) or if they had statblocks (Deity didn't have, Demigod were 26-30 and Quasi Deity were 21-25). With the change to 2e now all gods have 4 domains, but they don't have 2 linked to the alignment, so they can express better what the god is about. For example: Immonhiel, in 1e was a Demigoddess, and so she had 4 domains: Chaos, Good, Healing and Plant, but only really 2 of them define her as a goddess, compared to 2e where she has Creation, Healing, Nature and Repose. I like this change, but the problem comes that in 2e Immonhiel is not clarified as being a Demigoddess anymore, so if we didn't know from 1e what she is we wouldn't have any way of knowing, this is even worse with gods that only exist in 2e. Right now it doesn't have a mechanical implication, but in the future if we get a way to fight demigods and quasi deities (the last one we really can do already) it would make it easier to think how hard fighting such a god should be. To me (and I know many other) it would be better if going forward we could get this info written down in the gods, be it in the tittle of the god (something like “Deity/Demigod/Quasi deity of XXX”) or with just a simple trait added on to it. In the last PaizoCon AMA I asked Luis Loza about this, and he told me that this classification of the gods hadn't changed from 1e and that they could look into it if people thought it was important. So what you guys think about this? Should they add it? Any ideas how they could do it?
That doesn't really contradict what I, which was into the regards of the tiering of the deities.Asked Luis Loza during the AMA at Paizocon and he said that nothing of that has changed, gods still have the same category that in 1e (Nivi is still a demigod for example). Right now we don't have rules for mythic play so they are not focusing on that but he said that they thought about adding a trait or something like that to indicate it. He even asked back what people thought about it, if we deemed it necessary to have that info or not. Quasi deities still exists as a concept, is not only deity and demigod.
Treerazer is not even a demigod, he is a nascent demon lord, a quasi deity (also called lesser deity). Some quasi deities have stat block in 2e already (conqueror worm, Treerazer, owb prophet or green man to name some of them). From Planar Adventures (1e): Deity: No stat block
Do we know when are the previews scheduled to go out? The should start soon right?
If we have stats for him he ain't a deity. Nor was he ever one. That is not exactly correct. The lore about this changed a bit in 2e, but in pathfinder there are 3 types of deities. Gods, Demigods and Quasi-Deities (now called Lesser Deity). In 1e (info from Planar Adventures): Gods never have stats and have 5 domains (e.g. Lamashtu).
In 2e: Gods never have stats and have 4 domains.
For lesser deities with stats, we have the Treerazer (who is a Nascent Demon Lord) and the Conqueror Worm, maybe some more I don't know about. Also in 2e there are some previous demigods that are just called gods now, like Nivi Rhombodazzle.
I'm not aware of any plans to update the book with errata at this point (we've never done errata for an adventure, so there's no precedent there... and as such I'm not even sure there's employee capacity to do something like that considering the folks who would spearhead it are already scrambling to do the next set of adventures) I love Paizo products, and backed the product since the start, but I think we as consumers deserve an errata for Kingmaker at this point. The number of mistakes in the books are mind-blowing. Just in the first chapter of the book the party is given more than 500 gold in items, not counting the optional 800 gold if they steal, and is not unique to that chapter, I have gone through every treasure given in the AP and the loot is wrong for every single level, even accounting for the 25% extra loot guideline in the GMG. There are enemies with stats that are either obviously wrong or even missing (most of them noted here https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/yefa9m/kingmaker_suggested_e rrata_from_the_foundry_pf2e/). The amount of work that is needed to make this AP work in a balanced manner is wayyyy higher than in any other AP I have ever done or read. Sometimes it feels like doing a home conversion instead of playing an official version. I understand that there may not be capacity for it, but this isn't a normal product, it was a crowdfunding that come out late and in a poor state. I think we deserve better and Paizo should deliver on it to regain some of the trust that have been lost with the current release.
Also is the Sixth Pillar Dedication changed? Oh, missed two more changes. Sixth Pillar Dedication is level 10 instead of 8.
Maneuvering Spell is untouched. This is in addition to the changes I said before.
The weapons are: Martial: Kusarigama 2 gp 1d8 S 1 2 Knife Disarm, monk, reach, trip, versatile B
Advanced: Butterfly sword 2 gp 1d4 S L 1 Sword Agile, disarm, finesse, monk, parry, twin
"Feng Huo Lun: Also known as wind and fire wheels, these large, flat steel rings feature several protruding blades typically stylized to resemble flames." So it seems they replace the Wind and Fire Wheel.
Anybody wanting to list if there are minor differences between old and new print? :O Found the following: Sixth pillar mastery, changed from feat 16 to feat 14, reworked. If you hit with an unarmed attack the enemy gets a -1 status to saves until next turn, if you hit with a spell you get a +1 status to unarmed attack rolls. Touch focus, changed from feat 14 to feat 16 and it's now a free action. All weapons in the book are now Common. New advanced weapon: Feng huo lun 2 gp 1d4 S L 1 Knife Agile, disarm, finesse, monk, parry, twin, versatile P Buff to Leiomano, instead of Deadly d10 it's now Fatal d10. Also: Part one, chapter 2 still doesn't have the difficulty listed (trivial, low, moderate,...) for any of the encounters. Part two, chapter 1 ICEFANG AERIE encounter still listed as moderate 16 instead of moderate 15. Part 3, chapter 1 most of the encounters still don't have the difficulty listed (trivial, low, moderate,...)
APs and modules exist in a different sphere and are less likely to be easily integrated into this process. The content produced in APs and modules is primarily intended for those adventures, and the content is produced on a magazine cycle with 12 monthly issues and up to two special editions (i.e. 12 AP volumes and up to 2 modules). More than that, adventure content is generally intended for the adventure it appears in and often speaks to the story in a way that means the content isn't necessarily easily fixed in a way that would make it appropriate for the wider game. Adventures also move on a very fast cycle... This is a shame, since those kind of products are the ones that need a change the most. We have things like the Six Pillar Dedication that we are told in the forums that are wrong from the beginning but the fix will come in January next year with the hardcover compilation, 2 years later. Quest for the Frozen Flame doesn't give any striking rune in the whole ap. Kingmaker has a ton of errors in the statblocks, encounters and treasures. Refering to items that don't exist in 2e, having enemies with crazy low or high stats for their levels and so on. These are just some examples of the issues at hand. I don't think we need substantial changes like changes in the history being told or the encounters, but what I think we need is that some issues, the most broken ones, that are acknowledged by everyone, sometimes even by Paizo staff in the forums or in other media, should be in a public errata. These criticisms comes from someone that loves your products, I own most pf2e adventures since I like to read them and will continue to buy them, but I feel sometimes that their overall quality is cheapened by these issues.
Right now, we almost ever only get erratas when we have a new print of a book. This policy made sense a long ago, when internet access was uncommon and PDF version of books were so rare, but that is not the case any more. With this petition I don't want there to be a constant stream of changes or balance passes, I would just want that erratas as we see today being published online before we get a reprint or even if we don't ever actually get said reprint. We know that we are getting some errata changes with the new core rulebook print, those could be online already. It's not like most people buy a new copy of every book after every new print, it shouldn't affect the sales that much, and it would let us play with the intended rules as soon as possible. The adventures takes the worst hit because of how things are handle nowadays, since they almost never get reprinted. We get things like the Bone Croupier in Extinction Curse, that took 2 years to get fixed and in the end it was not with errata, but by reprinting the same monster in Book of the Dead. In the case of Kingmaker there are an outstanding amount of errors and since it's a new book we can't expect a reprint any time soon, leaving us with a lower quality book for years to come. |
