I feel this thread has become relavent again, due to the new shield rules in the playtest. How do you all feel about them?
Initially like them, but I fear the 4 armed creatures having long arms/sniper rifles/two handed melee and a decent shield negating the “can’t wield a weapon in that hand”
I think your looking at the feats too mechanically, and not thematically enough for a horror campaign.
Indirect Retreat: isn’t for getting into cover, it’s for legging it from the Xenomorph/Jason/Kruger that will 100% kill you. Winding corridors and obsticables that would slow your down are a classic trope of Horror and this feat works with that perfectly
Craven Ploy: your playing Burke from Aliens. You’ll sacrifice the guy in front of you to not get hit. Sadly the consent bit means you’ll need a good aligned character that wants the keep you safe to make it effective. Although the RP potential for a scene after you use it constantly could be interesting.
Startled Scream: again a classic horror trope of the person with an ear piercing wail the second anything slightly scary happens. I don’t even think using it should be optional once taken. It’s just a quirk of personality. Makes once again for good role play.
The other feats, spells and theme are similar. I loved it from a role playing perspective for the thematic feel of a horror campaign. The overall use of it in other campaigns hadn’t really occurred to me. I am a huge horror film/game fan and love the opportunity’s in game for decent role playing and scene building a lot of these updates give.
My only complaint is that these “personally” feats come in a lvl7 campaign where these quirks should be already established.
any characters have any family or friends on Absalom? Classic mobster move to attack/kidnap someone. The ol’ “meet me at dock 34 at 2:00 or I blast your friend out the airlock” would make for an easy showdown. The two come alone as she doesn’t want to draw the gangs attention to the fact the Homebase was invaded and guards killed on her watch, avoiding what they may consider weakeness. Besides, she has the upper hand. Villains always think they have already won.
Maybe have the villain start the depressurisation of the airlock when negotiations inevitably fail. Put a timer on how long they have to deactivate the process, throwing a sub-objective into the brawl.
Solarion, but choose that intelligent Ooze race in the back of AP5. I just love the idea of you chopping stuff with solar weapon and all the food you have eaten visibly floating around inside of you
If your going Ramsey though, you gotta go Half-orc Envoy. Skill focus intimidate, first talent dispiriting taunt
Okay lets try this again because this is not a hard one... all checks that use your dex, are dex based checks ...if its listed under pg8 as a check (like initiative) its a check ..... so.. it's a dex based check ....it's does not need to be a ability check ....ability checks, dex based skill checks and initiative checks are ALL dex based checks ... ranged attack rolls and saves are not, because they are not checks
From this let’s says there are 3 types of dice attempts
1) ability checks, skill checks, initiative checks,
Dex based checks are everything under 1)
I think your issue is you seem to believe Dex “based” checks are only in relation to straight Ability checks. This is the issue. Acrobatics is a Dex based Skill check, just in the same was a initiative is.
If it only applied to ability checks it would say a -5 to str and Dex ability checks.
Angrid Axeflail wrote:
Wouldn’t Encumbered come under “other effects” at the end of the explanation of the check?
Apologies, one of my players took the armour upgrade (jump jets) and the feat at the same time. Clearly confused me.
I’m still inclined to believe that you can go the extra distance as the feat does expand movement in other areas
If it suits your campaign, isn’t OP, and everyone is happy, always make a change to suit the game over rules.
However the drone does get better with levels to show the mechanics ability increasing, eventually getting its own full set of actions, and this would negate that level up.
As for carrying it, it depends on the type of drone. I allow my mechanic to keep his Hover drone on a clip on his belt, drawing it like a weapon when he wants to release it.
The larger drones I would encourage the players to consider using as a fallback point in this circumstance as they know from
However, my first paragraph is more important than that ramble. Do what’s good for your table
Archpaladin Zousha wrote:
I'm inclined to agree with you. So would it make more sense for this character I'm designing to BE the Swarm War vet themselves, or have their mom be the vet? I just wonder how they'd survive that conflict and still only be a first level character...
Level = background has always been an odd one. I’d roll with it and ignore the mechanical side of things. SF levels quickly and the character will fit before it becomes jarring.
Remember levelled characters are the extraordinary people, there are plenty of lvl 1-3 vets out there
New question: shades on page 29 have a reference of page 58. These are the CR8 versions of the shades not the CR5 ones found on page 9.
The previous time you encounter the shades again on page 23 it does send you to page 9.
Just want to make sure it’s a typo and I should still use the weaker CR5 versions
This is why I take Enhanced Resistance (physical) and equip an electrostatic field, sonic dampener, and thermal capacitor on all my characters. Uses up hardly any resources and makes you damn hard to kill.
That would be all your armour upgrade slots though. While it certainly decreases incoming damage, you lose some versatility.
I’m under the impression androids undergo a process in which they pass on in order for a new soul to inhabit the body. It had to be willing. Pretty certain death is death. Otherwise someone torn in half would die from shock and a new person would spawn with no legs bleeding out.
I guess if you could rebuild the body after you could try to urge a new soul in.
Side note: I guess you could do an awesome new form of undead by having someone create undead in the moment the process of swapping over occurs. One new soul unaware of what’s happening & another angrily trapped in its own dead body with its, socially speaking, child.
FAQ: When determining what abilities affect an android, and how, replace the first sentence of the constructed ability with the following. "For effects targeting creatures by type, androids count as both constructs and humanoids (whichever type allows an ability to affect them for abilities that affect only one type, and whichever is worse for abilities that affect both types)."
Heal spells work fine on androids.
In real life there is a small percentage chance of medical procedures not working. With magic that percentage goes way up, so I imagine the promises made are not the same in general. Malpractice when magic just doesn’t take is an unlikely circumstance to exist.
I’d make it an RP experience.
Helpful Sam’s spells and things: halfling who offers 10% discount on return customers, but no guarantees of success.
Professor Versal: half-elf professional who has a clinic that only works for the wealthy and elite. You’ll have to be introduced if you wish to seek his services. You may have to wait a day or two if your not willing to pay the fee to skip the queue, but he guarantees success.
I had by players run into a before arriving in book 5, a Drow Noble ship which had engine issues. For fixing it he offered wares that were “above board. He could also set his “voluntary free workers” on adjusting the Sunrise Maiden as “the Starfinder will foot the cost I give them”.
The man is not nice, and is out here to avoid the matriarchy of home, being ruder to female players to subtly express his frustration at his role in life.
However, he is exactly what the party need.
GM Rednal wrote:
Honestly, I feel like split-damage gear is weaker for enemies. XD If players are paying attention and looking at the weapons - and their acid bits should definitely be described - they may be able to conjure up some sort of energy resistance. Blocking physical damage that way tends to be harder.
Would be true if not for the electrical gauntlets they have too. Additionally, it’s just the start of a very very long slog in which wasting energy resistance to acid would be a mistake. Every type of damage comes up with next to no time to rest get spells back
Price is usually minimum caster level required. Depends on disposition, availability and alignment though. Lawful evil might charge extra for “skilled hands” while “chaotic good” might bring the price down for the right cause.
Failure should lead to more RP, not the end of it
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Spotted that the corpsefolk have an acid dart rifle that does Acid and Peircing damage.
Would that work a bit like flamestrike in PF, where if you have resistance to fire, but not radiant you only reduce one half of the damage?
Example, my Solarian has DR=level and got hit. Would his DR only apply to half the damage?
Ultimate campaign style book. Cover colonisation rules for exploring planets, mapping them, resources to be mined or sold, building the colony, rules for running one.
Would love all of these to have variables as to who backs you too. Which brings me to book request 2: corporations book.
While current pact/Vesk/azlani is interesting, give me some of that sweet sweet corporate greed. I wanna know more about vampires on Eox and Ancient Dragons on Trixus building empires.
So the book states when they come out of the drift there is a days travel until they hit the system proper. At which point the fight with the Singularity occurs.
1) if so they have 24 hours to get the stellar degenerator working when the corpse fleet arrive in book 6 and the encounter on the planet where the commandos break in is unlikely to occur unless the party sit around twiddling their thumbs.
2) when the jangly man sends for backup it’s going to take several days minimum to reach someone, then 5d6 days of drift travel for then to turn up. It just doesn’t seem an immediate threat to risk going on board for.
I’ve prelimarily written in an armada of 10 devourer cult ships waiting in the drift 6 hours away from the beacon point. The party have to sneak past (fly casual), but means they are aware of a devastating threat should that comm get off. Of course those 10 ships get devestated by the corpse fleet and are never really a threat.
I have also written out the days worth of travel needed so the fleet turn up immediatly, but kept the “drifting out is impossible”.
Is there any reason I should revert the above changes, or can someone explain why they would be required?
Picked up the pawns as my group digs visuals, and quiet frankly the art is superb. I especially love the elementals.
However, was wondering if anyone else got the misprinted peice on the last page? Modified robot one is named correctly, the second not so.
ModifiedMaBrainOoze is a great yockle term for an intelligence enhancement, but not so much for a security robot.
I’d put up a photo if I could, but alas not
While everyone has already answered the question, Trick Attack is not Sneak Attack from Pathfinder. It is using your skills to your advantage to create a chance to do more damage. If the creature has vibrations, the ghost uses a series of vibrations to confuse the slime as to their location and exposes a gap in the armoured shell
Any key survivors from the enemy side? The Shirren Sniper from Castrovel survived and escaped in our game. As it got interrogated before making its escape it got loads of details on the party, used the infoweb drift rock news reports to gather all the extra details it needed. Since heading into the vast in book 4, the PC’s have started getting reports that their friends and family have come under threat.
I’ve basically turned that side character into a full villain who has already started planning against them, seeking out antagonists from the backstories the party gave me when we started.
I’m likely going to have it leave the devourer as simply causing pain was the written Eason for joining, and it has found new purpose in this much more complicated plan to bring down the heroes of the pact.
Aside from that I am toying with the collapse of thegate opening planar portal idea, and having some of the forgotten gods of Golarion make waves. Gods like Goram and Erastil desperately clawing to be remembered in a larger regard like they once were, perhaps even in their attempts teaming up with evil gods after the same thing. Work in the Absalom first movement to support the return of “proper human” gods, and I got something to work with
In my game I made players make rolls and encounter people that would make it very clear disease and poison is common within Castrovels jungles, so they could plan for such eventualities.
I know it’s frustrating as a player, but a good DM/GM should be able to make the circumstances you are in into a plot itself. Maybe have the enemies start coming down with it too, and signs that they sought a natural cure that you could pursue too. Would slow both parties down.
These modifiers need to remain a threat, and have a significant effect on the people afflicted. Part of traveling in space is encountering the unknown and the threats there in. Maybe have your character become overly nervous of such things and stick up on serums for every disease and poison out there.
My Vesk engineer got Radiaion poison and sickness in similar circumstances and I worked in a new social encounter which could result in cure for the right price. Due to everything his friends had to sacrifice for him, he now spends his time in the engi bay researching protections from radiation and seeking to never be a burden on his group again.
Failure doesn’t need to be the end of a story, but can be the beginning of a new one.
As everyone says depends on party makeup. With no long arms and no magic in the group I run they got absolutely stuck fighting the writher swarm (10 rounds), but can rush through other stuff, killing book 2’s boss in 2 rounds.
Average I find is 2 to 3 rounds. Attrition is the name of the game in SF with Stamina a limited to refills and HP much harder to maintain. Short quick combats which whittle away the teams resolve (hence the name of the points) rather than the usual challenge of DPS versus healing in PF.
Dead Suns is especially good for this is you, after the point hits home, point out that they are on a time limit. While it doesn’t mechanically effect the game, I have implied to my players it does to encourage them narratively treating it right. This stops them from bedding down to keep resolve up
Like others I found ship combat could drag, so I made round order cheat sheets for each players position on the crew, with all their actions and DC’s on the laminated sheet. Sped things up significantly. No need to keep finding references and players are able to quickly figure out their actions before their turn even comes round.
Jason Keeley wrote:
Thank you muchly. Felt mean not to reward the players last session when it happens. Especially as the Vesk Mechanic failed his last check to leave, got his leg trapped in the collapsing building and the Solarian knowing he didn’t have the time or serums to keep him going, took the radical decision to remove his leg and haul him out.
Again I agree. Earlier comments suggested players should just be allowed to do it because essentially “dem the rules” and you shouldn’t mess with the usage.
I allowed the initial travel method in the original post as it’s a great work around a difficult situation. However, making sure the game is fun is as important as you say. Making sure circumstances change, sometimes throwing wrenches in plans.
To be fair I can trust my group 90% of the time. Hell they just chopped a party members leg off because it makes sense in character even though there were options in game to just pump him full of mess to keep the PC alive until they passed the strength test to free the crushing object.
Let them rework a device in Dead Suns book 4 to grow it back (no spoilers), because story is always more important than mechanics on both sides of the table.
See that’s fine. It’s a way in, infiltrating the security system while running serious risk if they are caught. Makes for a good story.
However, say they stayed in the null space for the entire dungeon and one PC simply had to make Skull checks to skip, say 10 encounters, until the boss, I don’t feel they should get the same XP as having defeated them all.
It’s boring for everyone involved, GM and the players that get to do nothing while one PC rolls skill checks for 45 minutes of exploration.
I’ll try and upload, but I have infosphere wiki like docs from the Starfinder archive on Castrovel and The Cult of the devoured, as well as turning the information uncovered at the end of book 4 into a confession. All of it is. Cherry picking and adding some flavour text/removing some stuff they shouldn’t know from info at the back of each campaign book.
The confession I found the most useful, as each test revealed the next step of Kishaleen history and how the Stellar Degenerator went from a worry, to being used, to the fear that would cause them to lock it away.
My RP group comes originally from Vampire where narrative and discussion is encouraged, so this slowly leaked into really worked to add changing views of the Kishaleen, and actually caused and arguement as to loathe or understand their actions.
Gotta say i’m not a fan of the come back at lvl1 either. Starfinder would be especially deadly with proficiency adding level onto dam. Come back book 4 of Dead Suns and a single shot would insta-kill.
It’s not a fun roleplaying experience, and it’s hard to be a part of a story you have little effect on. Hence my dislike of the null space as a constant party travelling device. It removes players from the board and stops potential influence on the narrative.
The dice have always been secondary to the story told for me, therefore anything which sidelined others on a constant basis should be discouraged, even if mechanically it’s a sound tactic,
Not to mention, bypassing encounters is still worth XP. PCs should *never* be penalized for using intelligent tactics to bypass a fight. After all, does only the wizard get XP if he kills an enemy with a single spell before anyone otherwise acts? Does only the cleric get XP if she wipes a room of undead herself? Does only the fighter get XP if he challenges an enemy leader to a duel of honor, to force their side to surrender, and wins?
Normally I would agree, but as the others are risking absolutely nothing in the other world, what are they gaining as experience? It would literally be the same as if you left them at home.
Individuals off an adventure alone would earn XP separately, and for all intents are purposes that’s what’s happening if you skip a whole dungeon.
The examples you give have the party present, not in a pocket dimension devoid of senses. Intelligent tactics is not the same as cheesing the system through a loop hole.
The first time they try it or if the original quoted senerio had an Xp reward I would be inclined to give it, but by encouraging the idea be repeated again and again, you make for very little roleplaying experience. Most of your players beyond contact or interaction, with a significant chance of TPK if the stealthed PC gets caught unaware? Hardly sounds like fun for everyone else.
The downside to sneaking through a whole dungeon is the lack of XP. As an odd trick it ain’t too bad, but even if you want to reward the party for stealth, only the operative did anything, so only they should get any.
Missing that, let them get to the boss, jump out, and have him hit the alarm. A dungeon’s worth of enemies at once soon puts people off. And god help the party is someone manages to get a command spell off on that operative, because the contents of that null space is about to go out an airlock.
It’s a good small use idea, and a good prison, but repeat use can easily be DM’d around.