Do were-dinosaurs exist?


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As dinosaurs are animals, I don't see why they couldn't. That said, are there any were-dinosaurs in canon?


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Certainly with the Template rules you could make one up. I think there was a were-crocodile at one point, but that's getting technical.

Otherwise, unless WotC buys the rights to The VelociPastor, I don't think there's a canon version.


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Technically wereravens from Ravenloft are were-dinosaurs. Although that may not be what the OP meant, and in any case is TSR/WotC not Paizo.

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There's a were-deinonychus in

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Iron Gods
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Ironfang Invasion's first book has wereraptor-kin as skinwalker heritage. That's not as impressive as a full weredinosaur, but should be relatively balanced with the Core races.


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Dinosaur lord is a type of were dino only instead of a hybrid form you can turn your body part to doca natural attack (grow horns to gore, tail to smash for example)


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SheepishEidolon wrote:
Ironfang Invasion's first book has wereraptor-kin as skinwalker heritage. That's not as impressive as a full weredinosaur, but should be relatively balanced with the Core races.

It also has a statblock for a wereraptor, although it's more were-bird than were-dinosaur. The were-deinonychus from Iron Gods Sandal Fury mentioned looks much more like you'd imagine a were-dinosaur.

McDaygo wrote:
Dinosaur lord is a type of were dino only instead of a hybrid form you can turn your body part to doca natural attack (grow horns to gore, tail to smash for example)

Wereouched Shifter with Deinonychus aspect can perfectly imitate a hybrid form were-deinonychus, if an actual PC is the goal. It's not a genuine lycanthrope, of course, but lycanthropes should never be PCs, anyway.

Pizza Lord wrote:
I think there was a were-crocodile at one point

It's right there in Bestiary 4! In total, we have rat, wolf, bear, boar, tiger, bat, crocodile, shark, mantis, spider, and wasp from the Bestiaries, plus the above mentioned raptor and deinonychus from APs.


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WRT to the wereraptor-kin, I'm pretty sure that's raptor as a hawk, not raptor as a dinosaur...

That said, the Iron Gods example makes it pretty clear that dinosaur lycanthropes are possible.


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pad300 wrote:
WRT to the wereraptor-kin, I'm pretty sure that's raptor as a hawk, not raptor as a dinosaur...

Yes - this is how it looks. In comparison, (warning, contains the NPC's name that might be a spoiler in Iron Gods) here is the image of the weredeinonychus.

On an unrelated note, I expect everyone who uses "raptor" to refer to boring birds rather than awesome dinosaurs to have had a very miserable childhood!


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Derklord wrote:

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On an unrelated note, I expect everyone who uses "raptor" to refer to boring birds rather than awesome dinosaurs to have had a very miserable childhood!

I think you need to get out in the wild more, if you think hawks and eagle are "boring"...

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No one tell them about the Shrike.

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Pizza Lord wrote:

Certainly with the Template rules you could make one up. I think there was a were-crocodile at one point, but that's getting technical.

Otherwise, unless WotC buys the rights to The VelociPastor, I don't think there's a canon version.

I remember that film. Such a long opening as he walks and walks and walks . . .


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Oddly enough, that weredeinonychus was not made into a separate creature alongside a skinwalker heritage.

Weredinosaurs can exist, but the biggest issue is that most of their victims are gonna be bigger than humans. Most carnivorous dinosaurs, in Pathfinder, are Huge or larger, and the afflicted creature has to be within one size of the base creature. Large-sized humanoids are often Giants, which are already of a high CR. Slap the lycanthrope template with a dinosaur and it can skyrocket.

Scarab Sages

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Hmmm were-spinosaurus cowt that survived an attack?


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Senko wrote:
Hmmm were-spinosaurus cowt that survived an attack?

Seems like the sort of thing that a necromancer might want to start breeding in order to make superior undead.

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“Oddly enough, that weredeinonychus was not made into a separate creature alongside a skinwalker heritage.”

Because that Were-Dino was a specific case due to gene tampering, they didn’t get bit by another Were-Dino.


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Huh? I haven't played Iron Gods, but from reading the book, I don't think that's correct. The weredeinonychus you encounter very explicitly was inflicted, and the original creature came form a sort of zoo. It does come from Castrovel (the Golarion solar system's equivalent to Venus), though, so that strain of lycanthropy might just not be exist (anywhere else) on Golarion.

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Do you have a page number for the where the original creature was kept/existed?

Rereading The Divinity Drive about the Were it just says that he was inflicted*, but makes no mentions of other Weres.

*so yeah I was wrong for jumping/misremembering it as an experiment, but I didn’t see any other Were’s mentioned.


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"Divinity’s science crew gathered many more organisms from Castrovel than their tiny jungle could support in their eagerness to resupply the denizens here, and before madness took full control, the scientists placed most of the megafauna (...) in stasis for later study.
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He became enamored with the elegant physiques of the lashunta within, but his first attempt to free one of these “perfect” beings unwittingly thawed out a malachrom—a lashunta lycanthrope. [He] defeated the crazed weredeinonychus, but not before it infected him with its curse." The Divinity Drive pg. 17


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For a Medium afflicted creature, here are the available dinosaurs:
- Ceratosaurus
- Deinonychus
- Dimetrodon
- Dimorphodon
- Plesiosaurus
- Pteranodon
- Troodon
- Velociraptor

The rest is either too big or not carnivorous/omnivorous.

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Derklord wrote:

"Divinity’s science crew gathered many more organisms from Castrovel than their tiny jungle could support in their eagerness to resupply the denizens here, and before madness took full control, the scientists placed most of the megafauna (...) in stasis for later study.

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He became enamored with the elegant physiques of the lashunta within, but his first attempt to free one of these “perfect” beings unwittingly thawed out a malachrom—a lashunta lycanthrope. [He] defeated the crazed weredeinonychus, but not before it infected him with its curse." The Divinity Drive pg. 17

Ah cool, Thankies!

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JiCi wrote:

Oddly enough, that weredeinonychus was not made into a separate creature alongside a skinwalker heritage.

Weredinosaurs can exist, but the biggest issue is that most of their victims are gonna be bigger than humans. Most carnivorous dinosaurs, in Pathfinder, are Huge or larger, and the afflicted creature has to be within one size of the base creature. Large-sized humanoids are often Giants, which are already of a high CR. Slap the lycanthrope template with a dinosaur and it can skyrocket.

Yeah, that sounds like a fun boss fight. "Okay, you are in battle with a fire giant, who goes into a blood rage, and then becomes a T-Rex". "you hate us, don't you?"


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Me, I keep imagining were-dinosaurs as organic Dinobots.


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Val'bryn2 wrote:
JiCi wrote:

Oddly enough, that weredeinonychus was not made into a separate creature alongside a skinwalker heritage.

Weredinosaurs can exist, but the biggest issue is that most of their victims are gonna be bigger than humans. Most carnivorous dinosaurs, in Pathfinder, are Huge or larger, and the afflicted creature has to be within one size of the base creature. Large-sized humanoids are often Giants, which are already of a high CR. Slap the lycanthrope template with a dinosaur and it can skyrocket.

Yeah, that sounds like a fun boss fight. "Okay, you are in battle with a fire giant, who goes into a blood rage, and then becomes a T-Rex". "you hate us, don't you?"

If it's an important boss battle, why not ;) ?

On a sidenote, PCs are somewhat immune to that lycanthrope's curse, because a T-Rex cannot be used for Medium creatures :P

Dinosaurs fit pretty well with lizardfolks, so having a Lizardfolk Scion (Large Humanoid) tapping into its dinosaur "heritage" to transform to a dino hybrid would also make sense.


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Are you the GM? If so, then they exist.


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who wouldn't want to be a were-velociraptor...as long as you could control the change that is...otherwise that would get...messy and hard to explain...

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GM_Beernorg wrote:
who wouldn't want to be a were-velociraptor...as long as you could control the change that is...otherwise that would get...messy and hard to explain...

I think most uncontrolled transformations do that even ones as simple as male to female or vice versa. If you can control it your fine, if you can't you can guarantee you'll to use the previous example wind up the wrong gender in a restroom just as someone walks in who'll put the worst interpretation possible on it (such as someone your dating thinking your cheating on them, with yourself).

Personally speaking I'd prefer were-fox over were-raptor or better yet the mythic many forms assume any human form I want and spend mythic power to spend time as any animal. For added fun throw in eternal youth and be able to be a human of any age you want . . . hmm I feel like being a preteen girl today, oh wait I've got a meeting with those adventurers wizened old man with long white beard it is.


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^Depending upon the mechanism of activation, I could see this backfiring . . . .

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And why stop at were-Tyrrannosaurs, when you can go for were-Tyrrannosaurs in F-14s? Oops, that's for Starfinder . . . .


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GM_Beernorg wrote:
who wouldn't want to be a were-velociraptor...as long as you could control the change that is...otherwise that would get...messy and hard to explain...

Lycanthropy, in general, is a curse, and being bitten by one is a bad sign, not to mention that curing it requires a poisonous flower.

Lycanthropy... hasn't been used that much as a curse though. I could have been Animal Lords, nature-focused clerics, druids and shifters utilizing the curse as a weapon. Other times, it's just not a curse.

For instance, the Mooncursed barbarian archetype essentially grants you both an animal and hybrid form, like a lycanthrope, except that it doesn't carry the curse, is completely under the barbarian's control and it's mostly seen as an extension of the Beast Totem.


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they're were ever the GM wants...


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^I see what you did there.

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