The Forgotten wrote:
See, you may hate it, but I love it :)And I don't play Wow, but I do love Final Fantasy games. I could live with the idea of one pet per character, but I would much rather the character has an arsenal of "Pets".
Add another Amazon email to the list. My ship date was 19th, arrival date 21st (prime member). I place my order in mid February.
And another...They just told me it wouldn't be released until the 2nd of September. Disgusting since I pre-ordered in May (not as early as you but you would think that was early enough...)
philip mcmahon wrote:
Argh, if I get that email from Amazon as well, no more pre-orders for them from me or my wife. As it stands, I may never pre-order from them anyway for the above disgusting customer service.I had a gift card as well which is how I financed my book purchase. Didn't have a local store either until two weeks ago (just moved).
At least I have the pdf...
There were great classes in AE. The Witch was fantastic but I also loved the Totem Warrior, Unfettered (my wife and myself's favorite) and the Runecaster (can't remember the real name and I lost all my books on my flash drive two days ago :( ).
My 2 cents (euro) as well.
I am sorry this upsets certain people, but it is really easy to house rule back in if needed. It doesn't get much easier than this.
One more vote in favor of dropping the charisma penalty for tieflings :)
Man, I love the art for tieflings in the Planewalkers handbook and in the Planescape box set. And Annah was such a wonderful character.
I believe 2e tieflings had -1 to STR, +1 to Int, and +1 to charisma. Their favored class was rogue, and they had the ability to resist some elements. Can't remember which however. They also had darkness and infravision. This is only the CORE tiefling rules however.
The Planewalker's handbook (thank you Mr. Cook) had awesome tables to generate very. very different tieflings.
A few exerpts:
And my favorite table:
Prime Evil wrote:
Agred. This is akin to what I have tried in my own games. The feats themselves are not bad...but most of my characters never take them because there are things out there that I need to get to meet prestige Class requirements or even other feats.
I tried giving them a +4 bonus in a previous game I dmed, and I did consider a progression not unlike yours.
I would also like the idea of improved versions of these feats allowing perhaps a reroll or 2d20 "keep the best one".
Anyway, I agree that these base feats could use a little polish.
Druids are very, very powerful in 3.5...
Are either of you familiar with the Order of the Stick? Here is a very good example of Druid power:
Anyway, if something is too powerful, it needs to be fixed. A druid shouldn't be able to become more powerful in melee than a Fighter or a Barbarian. Not when he can also cast dozens of spells.
Mike McArtor wrote:
I don't know about that: sure, it might not work with other races (please never make a drow dominatrix with pigtails and a frilly dress), but gnomes?
From the iconic art + your description, it seems like weird and unusual by human standard haircuts would fit in fine. Gnomes with pigtails, ponitails and Elvis haircuts please.
Putain de merde!
Paizo, you are doing an excellent job with Planet Stories. Every new blog post about it is another step at convincing me to go into debt. Congratulations on the tremendous work you guys accomplish. Your efforts are showing right here.
Perhaps in a couple of years you will be doing pathfinder scifi adventures...Would be neat!
Jess Door wrote:
VERY interesting post and a very persuasive one...It also explains the 4e system a little too. d20+half your level now makes more sense...
I have seen in at least one other game system the ability at the start of each round to decide how offensive / defensive you wish to be. Iron Heroes and COPS both did this and it worked pretty well. I think I will try this in my next campaign thanks to your explanations.
Great ideas all around and I like a lot of them.
Here are a couple of ideas that just popped into my head:
- Second idea and also stolen from David Gemmell: a siege. Each AP centers on one part of the City / Fortress / Country falling into the hands of the enemy. The PCs cannot stop this from happening but if they accomplish their objectives in each adventure, they delay / minimize the damage. By the last adventure, they will have done enough good to rout the armies / make them give up / allow for enough time for allies to show up / killed the enemy general / created terms for peace / resolved a misunderstanding (the drow / mindflayers / demons created the conditions for war).
I suppose this comes down to a matter of DMing taste then? That was really something I enjoyed. As for the choice of kobolds, I was running the first official adventure. That might be a cause of my dissatisfaction. As others have said in this thread, it is not of the highest quality and its encounters may have contributed to my feelings of using robots.
If I did those kind of things, then yes, I agree it would be my fault as a DM. But I am more inclined to the types of descriptions which you just used.
I am trying to discern why myself and the OP feel that being a DM is less fun than in 3e, and for me I believe it is the monsters.
I think the way monsters were in 3e allowed me to use more imagination when creating encounters whereas when I DMed a 4e encounter involving kobolds, I felt as if they had to do exactly what they could.
Hmm that might not be clear, let me try again. If I look at a kobold in 3e, I can design him to be anything. Two identical kobolds can do entirely different things. They will be as useless in melee as they are at ranged combat.
But when I choose a kobold in 4e, I feel as if I am DMing a robot instead of a real race. Sure I can have him yell, scream, do stupid stuff, but he is still going to be doing pretty much the same thing in combat that he was designed to do: engage with shield, throw stuff with a sling, use magical orbs, be a minion and die...
The game is great for my kids however, and they are having a blast, so I thank WotC for that. Perhaps as I continue to DM, I will start to enjoy it again, but for now, I will grit my teeth and continue to DM so that my kids can have fun (they reached third level and have not stopped all week asking me when we can play next :))
Just my two cents, but I have had a similar experience. I love to be the DM usually, but so far my Dm experiences with 4e have been terribly borring. My one experience as a player was a blast though (even though I died twice in one afternoon).
For me, it was the video game nature of the monsters and NPCs. Everything is just so regimented, so oriented towards being a game and not "reality" translated into a game, that I just can't be interested in the combat. And I love combat usually...
But anyway, I think you will have more fun as a player so don't give up on 4e. I would also prefer to be a player in this edition.
One last thing: 4e and 3e are so different that they might as well be two seperate games. It therefore makes sense that you may not have as much fun being the DM in one as in the other. To illustrate my point, I have had a lot of fun being a DM for 3rd edition games, and for Feng Shui, but I never want to DM Shadowrun or Vampire or Gurps because of the game system.
I think different systems have different appeals not just for the players, but also for DMs.
Charles Wang (Feng Shui RPG)
He was initially just supposed to be a mid-boss type character who was supposed to steal an artifact that the players were protecting.
As they crossed the sea seperating Hong kong from the mainland on a toursit barge, they were attacked.
Charles failed to steal the artifact before it was stollen and ended up taking hostages. So far, nothing special. But when the players ordered him to drop his weapons and surrender, he very calmly pointed his gun at a woman and shot her in the head. That was his only answer. The players realized they would not win this round and gave up the artifact which he escaped with.
This may not seem like much, but because of how it played out at the table (acting, atmosphere, caught the players by surprise...), it turned out to be a very memorable moment and the players often talked about him and tried to hunt him down.
Would love to hear more on this from an official as well as fan point of view.
Ie: the Ebou Dari marriage knife and the different stones, the way marriage works within the Aiel, the Shienar view of men and women (and their baths)...
Details such as these make the worlds come to life in my opinion and it is something that Eberron lacks (Five nations being extremely dissapointing in that sense).
Count Buggula wrote:
By that do you think America should go after all the bad people? Ok, so how many wars do you want McCain to initiate? North Korea, Iran, Algeria, Syria, China (?), Russia, Venezuela + current wars ?
There is a time for talk, and a time for war. I think I would like a taste of talk please. I am sick of war.
I agree that there are some countries like Iran where talks will lead us nowhere, but sometimes, threats will lead you nowhere as well. As an example, McCain's and Bush's threats to Russia during the recent conflict with Geogia were pointless wastes of breath and showed that they were once more thinking with their brawn instead of their brains.
I have been very dissapointed with McCain.
Another thumbs up for Arcana Unearthed (evolved). Bought the game at the same time as 3.5 and I must say that I was blown away by the quality.
It fixed many of my issues with DnD (light melee warrior class, sorceror, mage fighter...) in general and I also happened to like the fluff. Not a huge fan of the lithorians and Sibeccai, but I do adore faen, abalast, hu-charrad, runechildren, mojh...
I have already decided to keep some of the races for Golarion and I will continue to use AE in the future. The classes are a little more powerful than 3.5, so they may not be far behind the Pathfinder RPG classes in power level at all.
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
You wouldn't be inclined to do the same for Medusas would you? I love Tony Di'terlizzi's drawing of one (google tony diterlizzi medusa if you don't know what I mean; it is not a recent piece of art).
More tiefling art period please.
Hell, I bought a second copy of Planescape Torment just so I could enjoy the voices in English (rather than French).
Goat legs, horse legs, various tails, skin color, types of horns, lack of shadow, eyes, teeth...
Btw, the art for Lavender that was posted on the blog made my day. Great stuff! Male or female, I just want tieflings that are not WotC (I just don't like the 4e tieflings).
2e tiefling stats for Pathfinder would be cool too!
*embarassed cause he is a tiefling fanboy*
I'll agree with you on the campaign setting, but I must say that I adore many of his races, and most of his classes. They always felt so much more rich in flavor compared to the DnD core classes. Warmain over Fighter, Totem Warrior over ranger, champion over paladin, witch over sorcerer...And then you had some nice unique classes like the Runethane and the racial levels (that WOTC friends of his adapted to core races in Unearthed Arcana).
Like the poster above said, perhaps if you read some of the fiction or even played some of these races, you would see the great roleplaying posibilities of the hu-charrad and their need to nurture, preserve and lead or the Faen and their divine inspirations and flighty natures. For the Mojh who are people who abandoned their humanity and their gender in exchange for knowledge and much, much longer lives, you have a wealth of roleplaying possibilities: what reasons could push a man to do such a change?
Anyway, I ramble on, but I think you should give his fluff a second look. His races and classes in addition to the races in the Eberron campaign setting are the only ones I have used in addition to Core in all of the third edition.
Love Monte's work as well. I adored his Arcana Unearthed. I used its rules to DM my first D20 campaign.
The Diamond Throne is a great setting and I hope he uses it as a novelist more.
What I would like from Paizo and Monte, is the inclusion of some of his already published material:
I already plan on using them, but them being part of the setting and being featured in adventures would be cool :)
Haven't tried RotRL yet with Iron Heroes, but I play in the SCap with Iron Heroes, and Dm for STap with Iron Heroes and both are working out great.
I wonder if Monte Cook's giant PC race from Arcana Unearthed is OGL? Mechanically, they'd tread on the half-orcs toes a bit, but could be a fun "civilized strong guy" race, maybe with a background as titan spawn or something.
I would LOVe to see some AE races in Golarion! Hu-Charrad (the giant payable race), and Mojh in particular would be fantastic, but the Faen would be great too!I have already decided to allow Hu-Charrad in Golarion, but I have no idea where they come from yet :s
Btw, would Paizo have the rights to use Tieflings or Aassimar? I would love to see them as a core race but without the ECL. Staying closer to 2e stats would be nice too :)
All or nothing skills:
As a DM, I will never allow this in my games, and as a player, I would absolutly hate this.
It isn't the math for me so much as that it requires a full attack and therefore that means a very immobile action scene. Making the game mobile is very important to me. But why move when I can stand still and do twice or three times as much damage?
SWSE and 4e have made the right move in kaing the game more mobile. That is one thing I do like. I hope that Paizo also encourages this style of game.
If the job is still open by the time our kids hit 18 though, I will definitely apply ;)
After seeing the Rogue preview and being bitterly disappointed by the themes and design decisions, I can say for certainty that if Paizo decides to stick with 3.5 (or 3.75), I will be fine with that.If you go the path of 4e, then I will be forced to like it I guess :(
1) Do you plan to convert to the new edition of D&D?
I plan on using 4e and will buy the products as soon as they come out. I plan on ignoring the fluff (yuck to most of it; long live the blood war) and mining the mechanics for ideas.
2) If Paizo converts its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
Very little since I already plan on converting them to Iron Heroes. I don't need Paizo to adopt 4e tieflings or 4e fluff though. Just the rules.
3) If Paizo does not convert its RPG products to 4.0, how will that affect your purchasing patterns for our products?
It will make running 4e games a little harder I suppose and require more conversions. I would prefer Paizo use 4e while adapting it to their view of Golarion.
Difficult question :s
Very much in agreement with you there. I am looking forward to running the isle of dread with the Iron Heroes rules. The whole idea of teleporting that easilly distresses me in dnd. While I don't think those spells should be completly removed, I think you could agree to make them higher level. That way they are not arround until your players are more epic in scope. 8th level for the basic teleport and 6th level for the basic fly sounds good to me.
James Jacobs wrote:
Thank you for your very detailed answer James. It is things like this that are quickly making me into a loyal paizoist.The in-game justifications are what interest me the most but I love your reasoning behind it. I find the designer thought process very interesting.
James Jacobs wrote:
Although elves, gnomes, and the rest of the demi-human crew are not in retreat in our world... Varisia is very much a humanocentric region. Humans are the primary race in the area, and while there are elves and dwarves and halflings and gnomes and half-elves and half-orcs... there aren't many of them. (Although there's certainly enough of them that if a player makes a character from these races, they won't really turn heads or be considered a "freak" if he does.) The racial mix will certainly change up in other regions of the world.
Thank you for the information James, but if you do not mind me asking, what was yours and Team Paizo's reasoning behind the decision to make non humans less numerous? Was it simply to stay close to Greyhawk or FR?
Also, why are humans more numerous? Could it just be explained by a better reproductive system? Due to wars where Human nations were either not attacked (no human deaths) or where the attackers (killed non humans)?
If non-humans are not as numerous, does this mean that they prefer to stay in their own lands (xenophobia, protection, other reasons)? Also, does this mean most humans are not used to having non-humans around (which could lead to racism)?
Having DMed on and off for AU/AE since the book came out in 2003, it is my belief that most of these classes can fit in any campaign and can replace or add to the base DnD classes.
Fighter versus Warmain: loss of feats versus higher HD and more damage output. I believe there is still room for the fighter and even for the knight from PH2 here. I like to use fighters as NPCs most of the time, but I prefer to play a Warmain/Knight or Unfettered myself (more specialized).
Unfettered versus swashbuckler (complete Fighter): vastly superior class in its defensive capacity, it lacks a few of the cool abilities of the swashbuckler. That said, I would never take more than three levels in the swashbuckler class.
Greenbond versus druid: I love having both of these options. The Druid focusses more on animals and summons, while the greenbond is specialized in nature spirits; he has the power of the Green, which always makes me think of King Arthur and his ties to the land. Healing power is very powerful too. Lastly, the greenbond has access to certain exotic spells that are very nice and handy.
Totem Warrior and Ranger: TW are more focussed on their animal companions but they remain weak at high levels I feel (the animals, not the character). A lot more variety than for the ranger and I believe, less likely to die.
Runethane make great trap masters. They excel at both laying traps and at finding them. They are also good buffers and decent spellcasters. Great class for dwarves from a thematic point of view I believe.
Witches have a lot of favor but I also find them on the weak side. Still, they are an excellent replacement for the Sorceror. They also fit in well with the Warlock class from complete arcane.
Wizards - magisters: not much difference here. Good matches.
Rogues - Akashics - bards: they are all quite different and I see no problem with having them all in the same game.
Overall, I believe I will continue to include these classes in my DnD games and I will be introducing them to the new pathfinder books :)
Stedd Grimwold wrote:
You know, stories including fallen angels/celestials are common, but I have heard of only one redeemed Demon (fall from grace).I can't even imagine how one could manage to change its nature so much :o
How DO you redeem a Demon? "Imagines Demogorgon helping a little old lady across the road"
Eric Boyd wrote:
Very much appreciated :DI only wish there was more. If Dungeon was not about to die, I would beg for more, perhaps even have her as an NPC herself in an adventure.
Well of darkness is a cool adventure and I look forward to running it :)
Mainly however I loved Wells of Darkness and was surprised in a good way by the reference to Fall-From-Grace. I would never have thought to see that name again but in was a special treat to see it. Torment was a great game and I miss the days of Black Isle giving us some great roleplaying games. Thanks Paizo for a little nostalgia of the good times.
Yes, my thoughts exactly :)Made me load up the Monster Manual, Savage Species, Player's handbook my character creation spreadsheet, and then stat up Fall From Grace :)
Perhaps I should look up the book of exalted deeds though too. Vow of chastity I guess should be appropriate.
Fall From Grace is by far one of my favorite characters ever :D
Don't get your hopes up too high though since she is only mentionned as part of an NPC's description. That is why I wanted to know if she had made appearances or stated up in Dungeon/Dragon before :)
Having her be part of the Savage Tide might also make some sense too. She is strongly related to the main protagonists, she is powerful, she has access to a lot of information via her 'brothel' in Sigil, and since she is Lawful Good aligned (can't remember for sure, but she sure acted as if she were good so I always perceived her that way) she has a vested interest in helping the PCs.
Sorry if I took it the wrong way Fake Healer. Sometimes humor is hard to come across over messageboards when you do not know the poster. As it was, I was unsure if you being funny or mocking because of the subject matter :)
It seems like I will have to get these fiendish codexes. I wasn't sure of their value since I own the book of vile darkness and the CR ratings of the major demons and devils have been reduced in Fiendish Codex.
As far as lacking anatomy, I wonder if spells can remedy that?
Fake Healer wrote:
I'll take that as teasing. I guess you consider my musings useless?The question appeared in my mind when I read somewhere that Red Shroud had had hundreds of children and sold many such as Fall from Grace into slavery.
Oh well, focus on the questions about Fall from Grace then :)
Good point. I should of thought of that. But what happens when it is two demons who mate (Pazuzu and the queen of Succubi got Red Shroud for instance). I am curious whether that is anything like it is for mortals (humans, dwarves). Does Fiendish codex go into that?
After seeing Fall From Grace mentionned both in the last Dungeon magazine and also in the Dragon issue with Malcanthet (wow by the way! Great writting!), I was curious if there were any official stats for 3e for her, or if there was anything written about her in a previous issue of Dragon? Or Dungeon?
I was even wondering if there was any way to integrate Fall From Grace into the Savage Tide campaign as an ally (or perhaps for an evil party, as a present to Red Shroud or Malcanthet).
Last thing, I am really curious to know if there is anything official on how demons like succubi reproduce? Like human pregnancies?? And demons being immortal, is there such a thing as childhood? Some demons seem to be born directly into adults such as the Slaad in the Sea Wyvern's wake, but for more human type demons, I am curious.
Mike McArtor wrote:
Monte's stuff is really good (naturally), but his classes and races are so intimately tied to his campaign setting that incorporating them would be difficult. That's not to say you, as the GM, can't do include all the AE goodness you want, but we'll likely mostly stick with what we create. (I say mostly because we'll probably use monsters from Tome of Horrors... eventually...)
More than a fair answer and I thank you for it. I will likely try to keep some of Monte's stuff, but I agree that integrating them is very difficult because of the flavor. Hence why it would have been wonderful if you at Paizo did that hard work for me ;)
That said, Paizo is the only company that is making roleplaying supplements I have interest in. Thank you.
Since Monte Cook has more or less retired from publishing gaming material (at least for now), I was wondering if there was any interest from Paizo in using some of his material just as the Iron Heroes rights were purchased by a third party.